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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 14, 2013 14:27:10 GMT -5
I agree 100% with that AF. the news that Johnny Storm may be African-American in the new FF is total crap.and before someone tries to get in my face about diversity I don't object to this with minor characters(IE Heimdall)I wouldn't want any of the following to be portrayed as white Blade Storm Black Panther Cage Patriot Thunderball Falcon Sunfire Shaman Warpath Gateway etc etc and that's just Marvel. Johnny Storm wasn't specifically created in response to a lack of white characters in comics.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 14:48:09 GMT -5
I agree 100% with that AF. the news that Johnny Storm may be African-American in the new FF is total crap.and before someone tries to get in my face about diversity I don't object to this with minor characters(IE Heimdall)I wouldn't want any of the following to be portrayed as white Blade Storm Black Panther Cage Patriot Thunderball Falcon Sunfire Shaman Warpath Gateway etc etc and that's just Marvel. Johnny Storm wasn't specifically created in response to a lack of white characters in comics. So what? That's no reason to completely ignore what the character is all about. You just sound hypocritical. It'd be ok to have a white character portrayed by a non-white actor. But unthinkable for a black character to be portrayed by a non-black actor?
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 14, 2013 14:53:53 GMT -5
Johnny Storm wasn't specifically created in response to a lack of white characters in comics. So what? That's no reason to completely ignore what the character is all about. You just sound hypocritical. It'd be ok to have a white character portrayed by a non-white actor. But unthinkable for a black character to be portrayed by a non-black actor? I didn't realize the character of Johnny Storm was "all about" being white.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 15:11:03 GMT -5
So what? That's no reason to completely ignore what the character is all about. You just sound hypocritical. It'd be ok to have a white character portrayed by a non-white actor. But unthinkable for a black character to be portrayed by a non-black actor? I didn't realize the character of Johnny Storm was "all about" being white. I've never seen him depicted otherwise. When Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created him, they gave him a look and profile. You know what, while you're at it, let's have an arabian Charles Xavier, a chinese Wolverine, a Native American Storm and an Indian Cyclops. Because, who gives a crap what the characters are supposed to look like right? Then we can have a thin Blob, a woman playing Tony Stark and a pig playing Magneto.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 15:45:10 GMT -5
amazing spiderman was not that bad..
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 7:28:03 GMT -5
So what? That's no reason to completely ignore what the character is all about. You just sound hypocritical. It'd be ok to have a white character portrayed by a non-white actor. But unthinkable for a black character to be portrayed by a non-black actor? I didn't realize the character of Johnny Storm was "all about" being white. I can see what your doing and I wont be playing along.as I said I would be just as irritated if a new X-men reboot cast Storm as Caucasian..
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Post by Deep Figure Value on May 16, 2013 11:18:42 GMT -5
I think you guys are missing the point. Some characters ethnicities play a central role in their characters very being. Johnny Storm's doesn't. It isn't like he's a Klansman or something radically requiring him to be white.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 11:29:10 GMT -5
its not about that its about changing things for the sake of doing so..if he isn't white then we can assume Sue Storm wont be......or else they wont be true siblings(adopted) or something like a half brother/sister combo-which to me will radically change the dynamic.
it wont be the FF to me.
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Post by Robert69 on May 16, 2013 11:48:10 GMT -5
its not about that its about changing things for the sake of doing so..if he isn't white then we can assume Sue Storm wont be......or else they wont be true siblings(adopted) or something like a half brother/sister combo-which to me will radically change the dynamic. it wont be the FF to me. I agree ethnicities overall should be left alone -- Spike Lee would blow a gasket all over the internets and picket Comic Con if they cast Liam Hemsworth as Blade (a character that wasn't black for the sake of being black, it just happened to add another dynamic to him) Black characters should be black, white should be white. The only movie characters I'm fine with them changing are Anime characters (Japs draw their characters so open, anyone could really play most of them, which is why I'm fine with a white guy playing Goku). If you wanna have a black actor in a 'white role' Marvel fixed that -- by making a mixed Spider-Man and black Captain America. Change the character itself. Not just the ethnicity of the character. That aside, the relationship between the Storms and Johnny/Thing were the things the Fox movies got RIGHT. And to take either of those dynamics away is drastically altering the idea of what the F4 are. These characters need to be left alone. Change for the sake of change is not a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 12:29:22 GMT -5
agreed.
I don't mind when there is a precedent for it-like MS using the Ultimate Nick Fury model-that's A1 fine in my book.but this is simply changing things for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 12:52:09 GMT -5
agreed. I don't mind when there is a precedent for it-like MS using the Ultimate Nick Fury model-that's A1 fine in my book.but this is simply changing things for the sake of it. I'm still not that keen on the fact that they used The Ultimate Fury in the Marvel films to be honest. What bothers me is that making Johnny Storm black is generally seem as acceptable, yet they cast Halle Berry as Storm and people said that she wasn't "black enough". Imagine the outrage there would be if they cast a white guy as War Machine. And honestly I'd be outraged too. But I hate the attitude that it's ok to cast white characters with black actors, but not the other way around?!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 15:20:31 GMT -5
agreed. I don't mind when there is a precedent for it-like MS using the Ultimate Nick Fury model-that's A1 fine in my book.but this is simply changing things for the sake of it. I'm still not that keen on the fact that they used The Ultimate Fury in the Marvel films to be honest. What bothers me is that making Johnny Storm black is generally seem as acceptable, yet they cast Halle Berry as Storm and people said that she wasn't "black enough". Imagine the outrage there would be if they cast a white guy as War Machine. And honestly I'd be outraged too. But I hate the attitude that it's ok to cast white characters with black actors, but not the other way around?! exactly.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 17, 2013 18:15:46 GMT -5
I have a question about the first one that I assume you guys can answer. The first one is about cross species genetics and how the equation made by Peter's dad isn't completely right (hence the Lizard), but is still further than anyone else has gotten. How come then that the spider bite, which makes Peter a part of cross species genetics, comes off without any problems like the Lizard? Does that mean Oscorp actually knew how to do cross species genetics and didn't tell Connors? Or do they simply not realise that they've actually cracked it and Peter is proof?
Also, is Norman Osbourne being given the faulty serum likely to lead into him becoming the Green Goblin in the 3rd or 4th one?
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Post by Robert69 on May 18, 2013 0:14:55 GMT -5
I have a question about the first one that I assume you guys can answer. The first one is about cross species genetics and how the equation made by Peter's dad isn't completely right (hence the Lizard), but is still further than anyone else has gotten. How come then that the spider bite, which makes Peter a part of cross species genetics, comes off without any problems like the Lizard? Does that mean Oscorp actually knew how to do cross species genetics and didn't tell Connors? Or do they simply not realise that they've actually cracked it and Peter is proof? Also, is Norman Osbourne being given the faulty serum likely to lead into him becoming the Green Goblin in the 3rd or 4th one? Well, here's the thing. If you recall at the beginning of the movie, Richard Parker has one of those spiders in his office. My understanding is that genetic alterations were done on different animals, to produce different results. This has always been my understanding, because Conners took the research and used with with reptiles in an effort to replicate their regrowing limbs capability. It's logical to assume then that while these spiders were genetically engineered, yes, they were done so to produce the webbing with incredible tensile strength. Nobody would really do testing to see how their bite would affect someone. So I don't think Richard Parker got the equation wrong. He worked for OsCorp. He obviously got it right. I think the alterations made for it by Connors is what messed it up.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 18, 2013 5:45:03 GMT -5
So Parker had already done it for spiders, and the algorithm Peter found was a prototype one for the Lizard that he hadn't used because he wasn't sure if it was correct? I thought Connors just used the one Peter gave him, which meant it came straight from Richard.
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