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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 22, 2015 23:07:33 GMT -5
ahunter8056 & bad guy™ Just in case I run out of hugs, I'm gonna try and hook all of you up with Bayley. I hear she is a hugger. BTW - don't get me wrong that I don't care about Clara's death. My lack of reaction is more a sign of how little I have enjoyed the writing this season. It's been very lackluster imho. I love Bayley but hook me up with Portia Perez and I'll never warn/ban you ever.
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Post by Stoker Ichikawa on Nov 23, 2015 17:04:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure how feel
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 23, 2015 17:50:10 GMT -5
Like crying. Like killing Moffat. Like death. Like crying after all of that all over again. That about summarizes my thoughts from this week.
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Post by Hem-Ridge on Nov 23, 2015 19:24:18 GMT -5
I honestly wasn't too upset that Clara died, we all know knew it was coming with the actress leaving & I was personally more of an Amy & Rory fan (moreso Amy for obvious reasons)
I like Capaldi's Doctor, espcially with him playing the guitar, I believe he played in a tribute act before his acting career, a million miles better than Smith, whom I personally thought was the worst Doctor, Amy & Rory really kept it afloat for me, but after a while I just stopped watching, got back when Capaldi first became the Doctor & even though the writing hasn't been the best, Capaldi's always put in really good performances, much like Tennant did.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 23, 2015 21:14:57 GMT -5
Capaldi's growing on me. His "Small universe" speech last night gave me some love for him.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Nov 24, 2015 19:37:25 GMT -5
So long as they don't screw up Capaldi's Doctor for Series 10 like they did in Series 8, he'll probably finish up as my 3rd favourite Doctor. Unfortunately Capaldi has implied in interviews that he'll revert to being grumpy and unpleasant in Series 10. Hopefully that won't be the case. I get that they were trying to be different in Series 8, but being different just for the sake of being different doesn't work. They still need to stick within the established elements of The Doctor. Until 2/3 of the way through Series 8, The Doctor was cruel, cowardly and not heroic in the slightest. Just wasn't The Doctor at all.
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Post by ⚕ ⚚ ʍօʀռɨռɢֆȶǟʀ ⚚ ⚕ on Nov 25, 2015 15:11:52 GMT -5
Time to become unpopular...
I gave up on this season the moment the first Maisie Williams episode. I literally can not stand her as a actress, there's something I find so intolerable about her to watch, she's just a terrible actor in my opinion. I'll watch the finale cus' well... it's the finale, but other than that, this season has been the worst I've ever seen. I know last season wasn't popular, but I personally loved it, it's my favorite series since Eccleston. These season has had nothing about it to keep me interested, though I did kind of enjoy the opening Davros episodes.
I've said it to a buddy, if Maisie becomes the new companion, I can't watch it. I can't handle her.
Rant done... but before anyone had any ideas of throwing hate... it's my opinion... I think she is terrible, doesn't mean she is to you... right... out.
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Post by sean™ on Nov 25, 2015 16:17:40 GMT -5
Time to become unpopular... I gave up on this season the moment the first Maisie Williams episode. I literally can not stand her as a actress, there's something I find so intolerable about her to watch, she's just a terrible actor in my opinion. I'll watch the finale cus' well... it's the finale, but other than that, this season has been the worst I've ever seen. I know last season wasn't popular, but I personally loved it, it's my favorite series since Eccleston. These season has had nothing about it to keep me interested, though I did kind of enjoy the opening Davros episodes. I've said it to a buddy, if Maisie becomes the new companion, I can't watch it. I can't handle her. Rant done... but before anyone had any ideas of throwing hate... it's my opinion... I think she is terrible, doesn't mean she is to you... right... out. HOW DARE YOU You know, I haven't seen much of Maisie outside of these episodes, but I really haven't cared for her outside of "The Woman Who Lived" episode. She seemed to be able to express the kind of loneliness that someone with eternal life would experience. But she's been kind of ehh beyond that. I will say that I'm a little thrown off by the tone of this season. They started off with Davros and really packed a punch. Then they get out of trouble, no harm no fowl, and on to the next episode. Which I get is the point in regards to giving Clara a reason not to think things won't work out eventually. But it's just been somewhat odd. The only issue I've ever had with 12, and the only time I haven't throughly enjoyed him, was my first watching of Deep Breath last year. Mainly because it took me a full episode to get through the accent. Beyond that, he's been just lovely.
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Post by ⚕ ⚚ ʍօʀռɨռɢֆȶǟʀ ⚚ ⚕ on Nov 25, 2015 16:41:20 GMT -5
Time to become unpopular... I gave up on this season the moment the first Maisie Williams episode. I literally can not stand her as a actress, there's something I find so intolerable about her to watch, she's just a terrible actor in my opinion. I'll watch the finale cus' well... it's the finale, but other than that, this season has been the worst I've ever seen. I know last season wasn't popular, but I personally loved it, it's my favorite series since Eccleston. These season has had nothing about it to keep me interested, though I did kind of enjoy the opening Davros episodes. I've said it to a buddy, if Maisie becomes the new companion, I can't watch it. I can't handle her. Rant done... but before anyone had any ideas of throwing hate... it's my opinion... I think she is terrible, doesn't mean she is to you... right... out. HOW DARE YOU You know, I haven't seen much of Maisie outside of these episodes, but I really haven't cared for her outside of "The Woman Who Lived" episode. She seemed to be able to express the kind of loneliness that someone with eternal life would experience. But she's been kind of ehh beyond that. I will say that I'm a little thrown off by the tone of this season. They started off with Davros and really packed a punch. Then they get out of trouble, no harm no fowl, and on to the next episode. Which I get is the point in regards to giving Clara a reason not to think things won't work out eventually. But it's just been somewhat odd. The only issue I've ever had with 12, and the only time I haven't throughly enjoyed him, was my first watching of Deep Breath last year. Mainly because it took me a full episode to get through the accent. Beyond that, he's been just lovely. First thing first, I know many people shall like her acting though the fanbase GoT(Which I have barely seen and stopped caring about it fast, sorry people) has, but since you said this your first real exposure to her, I feel like she is actress who you can take a instant liking or dislike to. I get the loneliness thing, and maybe I'm just saying this cus' I wasn't watching/won't watch the classic WHO series, but ever since Eccleston, I never got the feeling that Doc had a lonely feel about him. I know it has been a focal point, but no actor has ever portrayed loneliness to me, especially Dave... I'm glad you said that about the Davros episodes. I was really hoping that it'd be a thing where they start AND end the season with it, often placing little clues and hints that Davros is still lurking around, but nope. Dr Who has commitment issues... ![:D](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/grin.gif) The only thing that has turned me off of Capaldi's Dr... and don't get me wrong, this dude is one of my favorite actors... but playing a guitar?... Like... I know they had allot of dialog to show meaning behind it, but I never shall get the need to have a old arse looking doctor shredding... like... no. Still, I might have to go back and reignite my love for this show with watching last season again... or to shut me up completely... give me Billie Piper... now.
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Post by sean™ on Nov 25, 2015 16:48:04 GMT -5
I will give both the Guitar and the Sonic Glasses a pass for the intro to "Before the Flood" alone. But to each their own.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 25, 2015 19:06:22 GMT -5
HOW DARE YOU You know, I haven't seen much of Maisie outside of these episodes, but I really haven't cared for her outside of "The Woman Who Lived" episode. She seemed to be able to express the kind of loneliness that someone with eternal life would experience. But she's been kind of ehh beyond that. I will say that I'm a little thrown off by the tone of this season. They started off with Davros and really packed a punch. Then they get out of trouble, no harm no fowl, and on to the next episode. Which I get is the point in regards to giving Clara a reason not to think things won't work out eventually. But it's just been somewhat odd. The only issue I've ever had with 12, and the only time I haven't throughly enjoyed him, was my first watching of Deep Breath last year. Mainly because it took me a full episode to get through the accent. Beyond that, he's been just lovely. First thing first, I know many people shall like her acting though the fanbase GoT(Which I have barely seen and stopped caring about it fast, sorry people) has, but since you said this your first real exposure to her, I feel like she is actress who you can take a instant liking or dislike to. I get the loneliness thing, and maybe I'm just saying this cus' I wasn't watching/won't watch the classic WHO series, but ever since Eccleston, I never got the feeling that Doc had a lonely feel about him. I know it has been a focal point, but no actor has ever portrayed loneliness to me, especially Dave... I'm glad you said that about the Davros episodes. I was really hoping that it'd be a thing where they start AND end the season with it, often placing little clues and hints that Davros is still lurking around, but nope. Dr Who has commitment issues... ![:D](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/grin.gif) The only thing that has turned me off of Capaldi's Dr... and don't get me wrong, this dude is one of my favorite actors... but playing a guitar?... Like... I know they had allot of dialog to show meaning behind it, but I never shall get the need to have a old arse looking doctor shredding... like... no. Still, I might have to go back and reignite my love for this show with watching last season again... or to shut me up completely... give me Billie Piper... now. Tennant didn't seem lonely? After Rose disappeared he was literally mopey for three seasons. And I love Tennant. But The End of Time was the epitome of Tennant being lonely. The Next Doctor was just an oddball episode. Water on Mars was 10 being so lonely he tried playing God, and The End of Time...after the loss of Rose, Martha leaving him and Donna having to forget everything...he saved Wilfred because the Ood told him he was going to die, but despite his famous final lines, you could kind of tell as much as 10 wanted to do "so much more" he was ready to be a new man. I mentioned this a few pages ago but there was a little picture going around social media with the five Doctors since the reboot. War Doctor- Born FOR war. 9- Born from War 10- Born from Love. 11- Born from Loneliness. 12- Born from Hope. 10 telling Wilfred he was going to get his reward for being a good man (reward being death, after saying goodbye to Martha, Donna, Jack and Rose) then flying off for the infamous nuclear powered, TARDIS killing regeneration...he was sad, and he was lonely. The Master saving the Earth but re-entering the time lock instead of staying didn't help him either. Capaldi's Doctor is one of anger, despite hope. Maybe it's the Scottish, but it seems like they're writing him to be what they wanted 9 to be. The fact that he pretty much flat out said he was going to restrain himself from trying to find her but if Ashildr crossed his path one more time he would murder her shows angry Doctor. The "Small Universe" speech he gave was his best set of lines as The Doctor. I'm fine with seeing an angry Doctor, pissed off at everything. "What good is a Doctor who can't heal?" was a PERFECT line to fit him. They missed an Easter egg gem for Clara to say "Then physician heal thyself" in reply to honor 8 but so much bad has happened under 12's watch, I understand the writing isn't great but a dark Doctor is a nice change in pace. Mopey 10 was depressing, and the only time 11 got angry was on Demon's Run when Madame Vastra had to calm him. I don't know, I'm growing to like 12. Edit: And the sunglasses thing, it's basically Moffat taking a piss on the fans but served their purpose in Before the Flood. As for the guitar, I frankly love it.
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Post by King Richius on Nov 25, 2015 22:43:51 GMT -5
Capaldi's Doctor is one of anger, despite hope. Maybe it's the Scottish, but it seems like they're writing him to be what they wanted 9 to be. The fact that he pretty much flat out said he was going to restrain himself from trying to find her but if Ashildr crossed his path one more time he would murder her shows angry Doctor. These two statements are major reasons I'm not particularly fond of Capaldi's Doctor. He was born in the aftermath of the Doctor finally correcting the genocide he committed to end the war and saving Gallifrey, even if he doesn't yet know where it is. He got over his guilt and purged it. I don't get why he would be the "angry doctor". Sure, Clara's death should have an effect but that brings me to my next point... With regard to Ashildr, he wronged that girl and should be on his knees begging her forgiveness; not threatening her. He made a teenage girl immortal and then left to her own means in a barbaric male dominated society where she would be lucky to not get burned at the stake as a witch. He should have taken her with him and helped her adjust to her new immortality, but instead he just left her. She has every right to be angry with him and want to screw him over every chance she gets because he did it to her first! The end of this past episode I found the Doctor to be a hypocritical asshat in need of a hard kick to the groin. Edit: I liked the guitar and sunglasses the first time I saw them for about 5 minutes. Then I realized that it seemed ridiculous and I want the sonic screwdriver back.
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Nov 27, 2015 17:00:16 GMT -5
I am so behind on this season. ![:(](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/sad.gif)
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 27, 2015 21:01:10 GMT -5
Capaldi's Doctor is one of anger, despite hope. Maybe it's the Scottish, but it seems like they're writing him to be what they wanted 9 to be. The fact that he pretty much flat out said he was going to restrain himself from trying to find her but if Ashildr crossed his path one more time he would murder her shows angry Doctor. These two statements are major reasons I'm not particularly fond of Capaldi's Doctor. He was born in the aftermath of the Doctor finally correcting the genocide he committed to end the war and saving Gallifrey, even if he doesn't yet know where it is. He got over his guilt and purged it. I don't get why he would be the "angry doctor". Sure, Clara's death should have an effect but that brings me to my next point... With regard to Ashildr, he wronged that girl and should be on his knees begging her forgiveness; not threatening her. He made a teenage girl immortal and then left to her own means in a barbaric male dominated society where she would be lucky to not get burned at the stake as a witch. He should have taken her with him and helped her adjust to her new immortality, but instead he just left her. She has every right to be angry with him and want to screw him over every chance she gets because he did it to her first! The end of this past episode I found the Doctor to be a hypocritical asshat in need of a hard kick to the groin. Edit: I liked the guitar and sunglasses the first time I saw them for about 5 minutes. Then I realized that it seemed ridiculous and I want the sonic screwdriver back. Gallifrey is still lost. He's still killed thousands of beings during the war. He's lost his closest friends, family, his wife was killed and yet he still continues to try to heal others when he hasn't healed himself fully. That's why he's so angry. I see your point about Ashildr but I kind of have to disagree. He gave her a second chip so she wouldn't have to be alone and could have a companion of her own in order to live as normally as an immortal teenager can. He said it himself when he healed her, that eventually she would come to terms with what she was and want to share it with someone so loss wouldn't just be her burden to bear, something he knows better than anyone. Here's an interesting thing I found online that might relate to the route they are taking The Doctor. Towards the end of the original series, The Master told The Doctor that at some point between his 12th regeneration and his final, The Doctor would essentially become a monster that would have to be stopped. Such anger and hatred, he'd seen it in the future and knew someday he (Master) would have to stop The Doctor. Moffat is known to be an avid Who historian. He likes pissing on things but the man remembered an obscure storyline villain to bring back (The Timestream on Trenzalore) for The Name of the Doctor as a way to introduce The War Doctor. With Moffat being an avid historian, and the fact that he out and out lied when he said he would NEVER touch The Master as showrunner, if perhaps he's reviving an obscure comment from the 80's. I mean, even then it was known The Doctor only had a set amount of regenerations so Moffat found a way around that. Makes me wonder. Unrelated and back to Ashildr, they've now created a new villain that can come back forever and ever that's not Dalek/Cybermen/Weeping Angels/Master. They can easily recast Maisie for future installments and use a cosmetic reference to make reference to the change in her appearance. I think that was brilliant of Moffat.
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Post by King Richius on Nov 28, 2015 9:50:26 GMT -5
Here's an interesting thing I found online that might relate to the route they are taking The Doctor. Towards the end of the original series, The Master told The Doctor that at some point between his 12th regeneration and his final, The Doctor would essentially become a monster that would have to be stopped. Such anger and hatred, he'd seen it in the future and knew someday he (Master) would have to stop The Doctor. If that is the long term story they are going for this season and into the next then it makes some sense but I think they are forcing the issue a little at making Capaldi into the "angry doctor" or at least not writing it very well (yes, my big complaint about this season rears its ugly head yet again but I can't get past how much the writing quality has dropped off). Perhaps they plan to turn his eventual homecoming to Gallifrey into a bad experience as the final turning point in this character development.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 28, 2015 11:59:47 GMT -5
Here's an interesting thing I found online that might relate to the route they are taking The Doctor. Towards the end of the original series, The Master told The Doctor that at some point between his 12th regeneration and his final, The Doctor would essentially become a monster that would have to be stopped. Such anger and hatred, he'd seen it in the future and knew someday he (Master) would have to stop The Doctor. If that is the long term story they are going for this season and into the next then it makes some sense but I think they are forcing the issue a little at making Capaldi into the "angry doctor" or at least not writing it very well (yes, my big complaint about this season rears its ugly head yet again but I can't get past how much the writing quality has dropped off). Perhaps they plan to turn his eventual homecoming to Gallifrey into a bad experience as the final turning point in this character development. He locked them away for presumably hundreds of years in a parallel pocket universe, frozen in a single moment...yes it was to save them but yes I think the Gallifreians would be a little pissed off at The Doctor. Bad experiences abundant.
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Post by Stoker Ichikawa on Nov 28, 2015 17:57:38 GMT -5
Holy ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif)
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 28, 2015 18:08:26 GMT -5
Holy ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) Gonna assume you live in the UK and have seen tonight's episode and I swear if you spoil anything before me, Hunter and Richius get to it I will kick you in the shins. ![:D](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/grin.gif)
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Post by sean™ on Nov 28, 2015 23:30:21 GMT -5
Just.....yes.
Everything. Yes everything.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 29, 2015 1:04:19 GMT -5
Just.....yes. Everything. Yes everything. This. Great ![](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wfcensored.gif) ing episode. He's home.
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