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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 10, 2013 19:50:15 GMT -5
See house shows were great back in the day, but we also had a tremendously huge roster back then. Schneider would be able to have a full house show and Rev/C would still have a stacked card. We hardly have the people. Plus it is hard enough getting people to show for matches that matter, you know? I am not completely adverse to the idea, and I would be cool with letting any of Prog, Williams or Garrett oversee it under me and Traces blessings, I just worry that two RPs in 14 days might be a little much. Not everyone is able to write multiple RPs in advance, but the practice the really green guys could get from it would be superb. I am torn on it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 21:32:24 GMT -5
I'd be willing to help it out, I know this was mentioned by Bishop but it could be optional, RPs could be set at a low, doable word limit, and although write ups wouldn't be needed, if someone wanted to improve on it they could.
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 10, 2013 21:47:06 GMT -5
I pitched the idea to Trace. I like the 500 word limit, but I also think there should be another added stipulation. Every single writer, including myself, has weaknesses. I can write monologues for days, but am terrible at scene setting. Ace is great at really setting the scene, but his dialogue is weak. So my proposition was every House Show we have a different theme. I think that one show should focus on everyone writing monologues. Then the next should all be dialogue. That way everyone is on an even more even playing field, but we can help pick apart the weaknesses of writers in every aspect of RP writing. Dialogue, monologue, scene setting etcetera.
And as for the time frame, why not set it to start at the deadline for the main show and give everyone 5 to 7 days to write their mini RP. That is about how long it takes me or Trace to out the results together, so we are still having activity while we are in the down time of me and Trace doing the nitty gritty part of our job, putting all the pieces together.
Thoughts people?
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Post by Markw on Sept 11, 2013 1:49:06 GMT -5
I get that there are problems with people no-showing as it is, but if done well then I don't see why it couldn't improve things. It doesn't take an awful lot of time to write a 500 word RP and it's not like you'd need to have full results, so as you say a show could easily be finished in the gap between the deadline for one Revolution and the card for the next Revolution being posted. The wait for results or cards does drag on sometimes, so as long as you make it optional, people who would be getting a little twitchy waiting for results or a new card would be able to work on their WFDC RP and hopefully we'd avoid issues like we had with Carter and Khan the other week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 6:16:18 GMT -5
Yeah. A doable word limit for these RPs would be great. It will also help test the waters on feuds that people want to participate in (Let's say two new guys want to feud, but one guy is fantastic and the other not so much, they get to decide if they really want to feud). I should be able to help out, if needed be, when I get back from vacation.
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Post by Rated R on Sept 11, 2013 11:30:56 GMT -5
Now I'm not going to comment on the house show ideas just yet, I've had some ideas about it and I intend to speak with Shawn before I make them public. What I do want to say is people need to consider one thing: why would people be willing to write an extra RP when they can't even dig in and contribute a segment to the show that they're waiting for? This isn't me shooting the idea down, I like the idea even if I think it needs some fine tuning (I'm definitely against a deadline as low as 500 words for one) but every week we get people complaining about results when they haven't even contributed anything to them. If people have the time to write an extra RP every week then surely they have the time to write a segment?
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Post by Markw on Sept 11, 2013 14:07:05 GMT -5
What I do want to say is people need to consider one thing: why would people be willing to write an extra RP when they can't even dig in and contribute a segment to the show that they're waiting for? This isn't me shooting the idea down, I like the idea even if I think it needs some fine tuning (I'm definitely against a deadline as low as 500 words for one) but every week we get people complaining about results when they haven't even contributed anything to them. If people have the time to write an extra RP every week then surely they have the time to write a segment? I can see where you're coming from and I completely agree that if people don't have time to write RPs for Revolution and to some extent segments (although to be fair if you're not involved in a feud it can sometimes feel like a chore) then they're obviously not people who should be committing to the extra work load. But there are a decent number, like Demento, Garrett and some of the other newer guys who are showing regularly that could well benefit from continuing to write and experiment while there is the wait for show results. Obviously if say Proggy was running it, he'd have to make it clear that the priority is Revolution, the House Show would be something that could be tagged on for those who have enough free time to participate and shouldn't be prioritized over the main show by anyone for any reason. If everyone is going into it knowing that it's simply an opportunity for people to try out new ideas in a 'pressure free environment' with little emphasis placed on match results and no real punishment in place for no-shows then I think it could offer those 5 or 6 people who could manage two shows a fortnight a great opportunity to improve themselves. If set up correctly I don't think it would be doing any damage to the main shows, if it were to happen, it should be running when the majority have already handed in their RPs/Matches/Segments for the show and of course if people haven't then it should be made clear that if they need to no-showing the House Shows isn't the end of the world. It could well fall flat on it's face like previous attempts, but there's no harm in trying and if it isn't having a positive effect then scrap it, it's not like it's going to do any harm. That's what I think anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 14:36:35 GMT -5
Yeah. The House Shows shouldn't be a bigger priority than Revolution and the PPVs. Basically a place where guys can come in and practice their roleplaying and writing. A 500 word limit would do wonders for the House Shows considering the results shouldn't be much. The wins losses on there shouldn't count towards the main shows. It would be a place to learn and practice without making the mistakes for the main shows and PPVs.
If you want to try and new style, do it at the house shows. If you want to test a new character, do it at the house shows. It should be a crash course for future projects and such.
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 11, 2013 14:52:12 GMT -5
I share Traces hesitance in regards to people not doing promos for the main show but writing RPs for the House Show is kind of ass backwards, but the majority of people who would be doing the house shows write promos anyways. Demento, Garrett, Bishop, Cross...every show they send in stuff. And for guys like Carter and Khan, I am just thankful they RP. Asking for promos is like beating a dead horse...they just are not going to do it. But if they can use the House Shows to become better RP writers...great RPrs make a place look just as good as flashy results. And as for new RPers like Dex and Maxx, the key to doing good promos is to have an established character. The only way to establish your character further is through RPing and once that becomes second nature, then you move onto promos.
And as for the word limit, again I see Traces issue with it, but I am more of a the Great Wall was not built in a day kind of thinker. Break down small portions so they can be improved upon then put it all together. But that is just my thinking on it.
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Post by Revvie® on Sept 11, 2013 15:12:29 GMT -5
In my opinion, I don't feel the federation is big enough for a House Show, but with that said, I can understand the interest. Given the distance between deadline, and next shows card...there is a ALOT of down time in between...and that could fill that void..and to onlookers, the fed will appear more active.
If it is reactivated, I would definitely go with a word count and special show stipulation. This would challenge those new writers to better their weak areas, and some of the main rpers could find it interesting since it could, theoretically, pit two completely different level of rpers...and even out the odds. Also, it would be a great deal like writing prompts, and they can be fun, and help even an expert writer think out of his normal box.
I understand the want for people to put effort into show, but sometimes it is because they really don't understand the dynamics of promos, or how to build a story line. I think this something that happens a lot, especially for new rpers. IF a new guy faces a new guy as a feud...they are both going to fumble it because they don't understand the reason why, or the dynamics to feuds. This is of course a separate issue from the house show, but I think if you want more people involved, it needs to be addressed.
I'll be honest, when I started, Flaps would write up the promos and stuff for those new people, because by seeing their character in action, it sometime inspired...and pushed them into their own ideas on where to go and what to do. But that is doubled edged, and maybe that could be a task delegated to one of the three interlocking owners. Or maybe delegated to someone to work with new people through messages to help them figure it out. Sometimes the lack of initiative is based in fear and unknowing, than actual lack of care or time.
Time is a restraint in everyones life, I have two kids, and numerous other projects, and I still manage. Between school functions, working odd jobs, and just general stuff. I know that I still find time to help Demento with his ideas, and rps...and Mike...and everything. I think a lot of this "I don't have time" stuff is more due to the lack of want out of people in the fed, opposed to actual lack of time.
I think I went on a tangent, but everything I said is kind of interlocked.
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Post by Revvie® on Sept 26, 2013 22:21:47 GMT -5
Does anyone think, that we might boost activity, if we put in a weekly predictions discussion?
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Post by Ace Bennett on Sept 26, 2013 23:14:56 GMT -5
If you want to lead that, by all means. I tried doing that back in the day and it last about 3 or 4 shows before people just stopped participating. It's good fun if people do it though.
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Post by Dex on Oct 3, 2013 16:31:01 GMT -5
We should have a prediction thread, were people vote on who they think will win and eventually they'll accumulate points. Sounds like a nice fun way to boost activity if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 16:40:50 GMT -5
That is a good idea but I see it increasing potential arguments here. There is a chance that a person or persons might get butthurt over not being selected in the Predictions. Its a great idea though.
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Post by Revvie® on Oct 3, 2013 17:02:41 GMT -5
I start a simple predictions thread here soon, and if people can't play nice, then it can be locked, and never to be brought up again. We have done it in the past without problems, but I don't know you all well enough to say whether or not it would be an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 18:46:37 GMT -5
I was just basing my opinion on what transpired with Carter and Kahn a few weeks ago. I do think its a great idea, and I will gladly ad to it, but I do have my doubts considering what happened.
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Post by Rated R on Oct 4, 2013 11:22:13 GMT -5
I say we roll with the predictions idea, it's one I had that I just hadn't got around to starting up so I'd be happy for someone to do it. Anyone getting agitated about not being picked isn't really someone we want anyway, it'd just be a bit of fun after all.
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Post by Revvie® on Oct 17, 2013 17:34:57 GMT -5
For those interested in supporting the federation, while they roam they other boards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 19:33:48 GMT -5
Anyone getting agitated about not being picked isn't really someone we want anyway, it'd just be a bit of fun after all. One person picked me this show. I didn't take it personally. The prediction contest is a great idea. If you get picked, it gives you confidence, and if you don't get picked, it gives you motivation to show them up
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Post by Markw on Oct 18, 2013 0:47:49 GMT -5
Great work Revvie. [url=http://forum.wrestlingfigs.com/board/64/wfwf-federation][img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/GreyShadow04DNA/WFWFcopy_zpsad4ae998.png[/img][/url] Type in that and it links straight to the forum.
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