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Post by Revvie® on Dec 17, 2013 17:46:12 GMT -5
yea, It was me...about 3 years ago, almost 4...and started with "I believe" not "the fed believes"...and was for a card, where I actually boasted the old school style, and nothing to do with the idea that it wasn't useful. :/
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Post by Markw on Dec 17, 2013 17:47:13 GMT -5
You know he's quoting you there Revvie, don't you? Honestly I really think that this just comes down to a miss interpretation of what the House Show/Development Center (which is no longer in use) was used for. It was a place (at least when I was there) for people who had no or very little experience to get to grips with the basics of writing and RPing. Anyone absolutely is free to write in whatever style they want, you just have to look at Yukio's RPs for the last few months to see that. What I think you've seen in the Development Center was not a 'you have to do it like this' post, but a 'this is a good starting point' post. No one is going to stop you writing whatever you want. At least that's what I think has happened here. The Development Center and Guidebook could probably do with being cleared up though. Guidebook was recently cleared up...and the development center only has two things pinned that were important...and those are written by mike. Wait...when did I say there was only one way to rp? Just being honest, I don't remember saying it...and if it was when I was younger...I don't care then lol I don't think you did to be honest but I think he was referring to one of your posts. then went to the section about homing your skills and saw a post by one of the leaders here that said something along the lines "This is where RPing begins and ends." - Revvie in the now linked thread I can't quote from. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/199814/lesson-1-classic-rping-basicsJust a misunderstanding of what your point was I think. Edit: Yeah, what you said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 17:48:56 GMT -5
You know he's quoting you there Revvie, don't you? Honestly I really think that this just comes down to a miss interpretation of what the House Show/Development Center (which is no longer in use) was used for. It was a place (at least when I was there) for people who had no or very little experience to get to grips with the basics of writing and RPing. Anyone absolutely is free to write in whatever style they want, you just have to look at Yukio's RPs for the last few months to see that. What I think you've seen in the Development Center was not a 'you have to do it like this' post, but a 'this is a good starting point' post. No one is going to stop you writing whatever you want. At least that's what I think has happened here. The Development Center and Guidebook could probably do with being cleared up though. Guidebook was recently cleared up...and the development center only has two things pinned that were important...and those are written by mike. Wait...when did I say there was only one way to rp? Just being honest, I don't remember saying it...and if it was when I was younger...I don't care then lol Yeah it has.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 17, 2013 17:50:29 GMT -5
and for the record, I am no leader lol....xD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 20:58:13 GMT -5
This idea will probably be shot down immediately, but I think a major factor of people not quite being on board is how formulaic the writing has to be. Yes, I know it can't be a jumbled hunk of crap submitted and expect people to make use of it, but the fact that you're sticklers for one particular format might stifle some perspective RPers who don't feel confident enough to try something out of their wheelhouse. I'm not saying that you need to change everything, but why not allow certain people who write prose do so while the scriptwriters simultaneously do their thing. Honestly, I find it easier to read prose; it's just more appealing to the eyes, and I am a comics scriptwriter. Anyway, you can boot me out if you want, but I'm going to try something a little different with my soon-to-be debut. Also, stay tuned because very shortly I will be pulling something out my sleeve that may interest some. Having been around here for nearly 10 years (on and off) I have to say this statement makes a lot of sense to me. I read on and saw a number of people get a little defensive about the WFWF and like the guy said he wasn't trying to p*ss anyone off, but looking at the recently posted RPs it's safe to say for the most part they are all in the exact same format which I think tends to lead people, especially new people into the trap of routine. I'm not saying I haven't seen the tried and tested format used beautifully and to great effect, because some of my favourite pieces here over the years have for the most part again been written in the style we're all familiar with. Hell even I'm guilty of sticking with it the majority of the time. One thing I think people have missed in his point is that regardless of the order you place the parts or how you sign off etc etc, it's still laid out and formatted in the same way as everyone else, which I never noticed until it was just pointed out is very much like a script with stage directions. I've given this some thought while I've been away as I've done a huge amount of reading and on my full return I'll be trying to switch things up a little in regards to the style and lay out of the RPs. A couple of RPs that were different, and I don't mean they were necessarily good content wise, that stick in my mind are Ace Bennet's RP (I hope that's right, if not I'm sure someone else will correct me) where he split it down the middle and ran two simultaneous scenes occurring at the same time, also Drake Elias's RPs had the internal monologue put in alongside the verbal dialogue and description which I know has been done before but there was something fresh and different about the way he did it. Anyway, people of WFWF new or old take heed of what this guy's saying and don't just question his logic, perhaps he did only read a couple of current RPs but what he saw is actually fairly representative of how things have been for a long long time, and I think he hit the nail on the head whether he meant to or not. Experiment and have fun with your writing rather than sticking to what you know, even if it winds you up losing a match because the judges just didn't get it at least you tried something new.
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 17, 2013 21:20:38 GMT -5
Agree to disagree Drakz.
I get what you are saying, I just don't see it as black and white as that. Yes, people should try new things while rping; I don't have a grievance there. But a lot of new people will mimic those who use certain styles...that's no ones fault; it is what happens in writing a good portion of the time with new people.
The ones who do use narrative story telling, which I am guessing what you are talking about, still vary from rp to rp...and from person to person; as to how they tell it. It is a huge diff. in my mind, even if formatting appears the same. Format is the shell and rp fits...not the rp itself.
Maybe I am bickering over semantics here, but it is how I see. that isn't being defensive, it just is my perception of it. And I don't think style, nor formatting, has had any real impact on current judging or pressures. I guess what I am saying is...the appearance of people mimicking what they think they should do to start, is not the same as it being forced down new peoples throats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 21:56:27 GMT -5
When I say format I don't mean this sort of thing.
I mean the fact that most people completely separate the speech from the description, myself included, as oppose to pushing the boat out and completely reinventing the method (I don't have the answers as to what that may involve yet). Like the guy before said no one really writes in a prose style and I'm not sure why, because it does make more sense from a creative writing perspective. Perhaps it's down to the fact that at base level the RPs are supposed to be wrestling promos and therefore the speech was intended to make up the most part of it with only a little description, but it's evolved far beyond that, here in WFWF least (I can't speak for anywhere else).
Also Rev you're exactly right about people imitating the style of those they aspire to be, but once people get past that stage (which honestly is present in almost anything, especially creative works) they begin to create for themselves and see where they can take things. Therefore why aren't people who have been around as long as you or I doing anything to shake things up and make people go "I wish I'd thought of that"?
Perhaps we will now this has been brought to light? Then again if it ain't broken.......
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Post by Ace Bennett on Dec 17, 2013 22:47:18 GMT -5
Honestly, this conversation made me look back at some of my past work, and I was much more creative back than in terms of how I presented my writing than I am now, so I can see where he is coming from there. In that sense, I know that we've had other people working outside the box, and I'm sure that the style that Ben is bringing will be welcome. I know a lot of us use the same style, but it's not like we all condemn those who use different styles.
About that post where Rev says then "end all be all" stuff, I think that was more of a lesson for newer people who may not necessarily know much about writing. I know it helped me out a lot back then, because I was still searching for any sort of style. After I learned how to do some basic RPing stuff from that brief re-opening (wish it had've stayed open a bit longer tbh), then I could expand on that a little better than I could before learning that.
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Post by Thunder on Dec 17, 2013 22:47:30 GMT -5
I think Drakz is right on a lot of points as fsr as the general direction people write in, but to say no one really writes in a prose style isn't truly correct. My style since 07 or so has been completely prose. The format is nothing different than what you'd see in any novel or short story, aside from the coding I do in it. It was years until I even started adding the monologues to the end of the RPs. Doing something different than the usual certainly hasn't hurt me with different owners/judges over the years, since it was only when I started writing this way that I had any success. And that's pretty much the exact same style Shawn uses. Although Yukio is doing the style of Hunter S. Thompson, it's still very unique in terms of using it in an RP environment.
So although it is true that a lot of guys work within the same format/style, there are examples of doing this outside of that realm.
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Post by slappy on Dec 17, 2013 23:54:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't be adverse to changing the way I write/present my RPs. I just don't know how I'd change it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 15:27:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't be adverse to changing the way I write/present my RPs. I just don't know how I'd change it. Just experiment and see what works. That's one of the best things about writing; being truly creative and trying new things. For instance, and I know this idea is pretty ridiculous, but no one has done it with a rhyme scheme. You'd probably have to make a character specific to that, but I think it would at least be interesting to see sort of a children's book-style RP. I've actually got an idea for something I don't think has been done before, but, like I said somewhere at some point, I'm not at the point yet where I'm going to be involved. Probably next show, but definitely not this one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 15:31:06 GMT -5
Another idea I had--and I'm not really sure if this would be help or hurt, honestly--would be a sort of "Previously On..." thread. I know there you can look at the old RPing and there's even an entire section for previous shows, but what I'm suggesting is a quick abridged CliffsNotes version of what's relevant at the time (feuds, upcoming shows, etc.) and possibly a quick archetypal description of the characters involved (along the lines of "Stone Cold Steve Austin: Brash Southern anti-hero." and "Undertaker: Respected veteran with a 'Dead Man' gimmick.").
The up side: It would make it far easier for newcomers and returning members to jump in, since they wouldn't have to spend nearly a weak reading up on everything to understand the world they're entering. The down side: It could easily lead to newcomers coming in and essentially failing miserable because, having not read anything beforehand, they really have no idea what they're doing.
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 18, 2013 15:52:26 GMT -5
I mean, not a terrible idea. I kind of like it. Though one advantage to this being forum hosted is that we have access to our results dating back to 2004...and since we only have maybe 3 guys left from then though, everyone else is newer than that so we have read the shows since we got here and know the storylines of people.
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Post by Rated R on Dec 18, 2013 15:57:51 GMT -5
I can't speak for the reasons that everyone writes the way they do but I know I write in a more script based way because I do a lot of screenwriting outside of RP'ing which means it's simply what I'm used to and it's what I'm comfortable doing. Not that I'd be against changing it up once in a while, I just enjoy writing this way so that's what I do.
I'd never judge a RP based on style alone though, in fact the style never really comes into it for me. I judge based solely on what I found more entertaining from a readers perspective, so hey, use whatever style you want, I'll read and judge it the same as I would any other piece.
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Post by Markw on Feb 7, 2014 6:43:40 GMT -5
I guess this could act as a makeshift GD for everyone who isn't a dick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 7:10:48 GMT -5
I hope that includes me. I have no idea what the opinions of me are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 7:10:58 GMT -5
Anyways, been dabbling around with Photoshop. Would anybody like a new roster graphic for 2014? Or just keep the old one?
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Post by Markw on Feb 7, 2014 7:22:12 GMT -5
I hope that includes me. I have no idea what the opinions of me are. I have absolutely no authority, but I think you're alright. Anyways, been dabbling around with Photoshop. Would anybody like a new roster graphic for 2014? Or just keep the old one? What do they look like?
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Feb 7, 2014 9:32:03 GMT -5
I guess this could act as a makeshift GD for everyone who isn't a dick. welp, I'm out
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Post by Cameron Stone on Feb 7, 2014 11:32:57 GMT -5
Hello Schneider.
Goodbye Schneider
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