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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 20:47:13 GMT -5
Same. I kept my EG MOC for so long, but when I finally opened them, I immediately converted them into Elites. Dude, I'm glad you said that. I've been wanting to buy a EG M$M and convert it to elite using an Arn Anderson Body, but I had a question about the boots can I use the M$M boots because I heard you need to use Rick Rude's boots. You'll need Elite Boots. Rude boots worked the best because they were tall and had the white laces like DiBiase's. Basic boots won't fit into Elite Leg joints.
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Post by inkboy83 on Jul 4, 2013 20:52:20 GMT -5
Dude, I'm glad you said that. I've been wanting to buy a EG M$M and convert it to elite using an Arn Anderson Body, but I had a question about the boots can I use the M$M boots because I heard you need to use Rick Rude's boots. You'll need Elite Boots. Rude boots worked the best because they were tall and had the white laces like DiBiase's. Basic boots won't fit into Elite Leg joints. Ahhhh OK. Thought the lower legs used the same joint. Thanks man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2013 21:30:14 GMT -5
SES Punk was originally in the elite line Jakks figures, while awesome for the time, were also very cheaply made and 85% of them used the wrong parts. Sounds like hardcore Kane.
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Post by King of Kings on Jul 4, 2013 22:02:22 GMT -5
You know why they're lacking? Mattel's in-line figures already come with amazing detail and accessories. Back in the day, Jakks would've released a DX two-pack in the CS Tag Team line without shirts or belts. Only in their exclusives would they include an extra cloth t-shirt, TWO painted championships. That was AMAZING back in the day. CLOTH DX SHIRTS?! PAINTED BELTS?! OH MY! Mattel would do that if they had a current tag team line and still include them. They do that with their regular Elite series. Not that this is a bad thing, it just means that the exclusives are on-par with most of the stuff released to retail. They include cloth clothes and vac belts with just about every Elite release...so the only way to make exclusives better is to release wrestlers they wouldn't release in retail, but it's tough because they've gotta do that while considering sales and whether or not they can include something limited (i.e. a hardcore title, that may not make it to the regular Elite series).
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Post by RybackV1 on Jul 4, 2013 22:17:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind the New Age Outlaws skipping the Elite Line and just getting an Elite 2Pack as a RSC Exclusive. The only problem with that is it'll be at least 50 bucks on ringside.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 5, 2013 0:08:20 GMT -5
Even if 2 packs were $50 exclusive's I'd buy em if they were guys like a dx or Lod.
I kinda agree the exclusives have been lacking compared to jakks. I get mattels cost more but I feel like things we get for exclusives should easily be made in the elite line. How long did we have to wait for a damn attitude era belt? I feel like the last few elites were accessory packs more than exclusives cuz I really bought them for the belts. Even other figs like macho king and bret really were repaints with lame accessories. Figs like nwo macho are more the route I would like to see them go. It was a new scan, new deco not just a simple repaint. We even got a weightbelt, an accessory no other fig came with. To me that feels more like an exclusive.
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Post by austin81 on Jul 5, 2013 2:48:55 GMT -5
i agree! i don't like the wwe mattel rsc exc. I bought only Punk... they are regular figs with high price...
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 5, 2013 5:23:12 GMT -5
I agree with the OP. The current Mattel RSC exclusives just aren't as "special" as the JAKKS ones....
I have no idea why they even made "Hardcore Kane" - there's nothing (other than the belt) that makes this era Kane any different than a normal Attitue Era Kane - and Kane is by no means iconic to the Hardcore genre. The Cactus Jack looks nice, but could have been a regular Flashback.
Compare that to, say, Retirement Ric Flair, or the HBK that came with EVERY championship belt, and there's just no comparison. I think the JAKKS exclusives had more of a "Defining Moments" type feel.
While I acknowledge that Mattel Elites are far better in terms of QUALITY, I believe Hardcore Kane, nWo Savage, Cactus Jack, and Stone Cold with belt would have all been part of the regular "Classic Superstars" line if JAKKS were still producing WWE figures - in fact, I think 3 of them were, or pretty close to it - JAKKS didn't have the license for Savage.
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Post by poindizzle on Jul 5, 2013 5:45:07 GMT -5
The budget has been a point of contention for so long on here. While I don't think MDT is lying about the budget being tight, I know that it's only as tight as it is because Mattel corporate wants to maximize profits ten thousand-fold, and they know the product will sell regardless. It's wrestling toys and they have and will always be a perennial bestseller. Mattel products cost so much, and on average, across all their lines, they sell for at least 1-3 dollars more than comparable brands from other companies. Sometimes that leaves one scratching their head as to why they would pay almost $20 for E20 Santino, for instance.
Tying this in with the original subject, I paid less for Cactus Jack (who was a new scan and included many accessories such as those huge stairs) than Hardcore Kane (a simple and inaccurate repaint with a non-vac title) costs. It's a lot like getting Elite 17 John Cena with his hat, dogtags, soft goods shirt, arm band, and a completely new mold from the waist down vs. E20 Santino a booooooring figure with a sock.
Ringside Exclusive Punk and Cactus Jack were great, and I wouldn't mind NWO Savage and Bret Hart (maybe SCSA, but his belts are more enticing than him), but everyone else has been a pass. Agree with OP that most of those figures could be slotted into the regular line for $16.99 all day long, but almost $35 shipped is too much for so little.
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Post by poindizzle on Jul 5, 2013 8:51:52 GMT -5
Agree with OP that most of those figures could be slotted into the regular line for $16.99 all day long, but almost $35 shipped is too much for so little.
Ahh, well said. This sentence captures the main issue I have with the current RSC Exclusives.It's not just WWE, either, but all of Mattel's exclusives. I would've liked to get Constantine, for instance, from their DC signature collection on Matty, but DCUC have horrible quality control and it's such a simple figure to cost so much. Most of those Matty DC figures could be $12.99ish in stores and I'd collect, but they're $15.99 and up, with the online ones coming to $30 shipped. That's awful.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 5, 2013 8:52:58 GMT -5
Ringside Exclusive Punk and Cactus Jack were great, and I wouldn't mind NWO Savage and Bret Hart (maybe SCSA, but his belts are more enticing than him), but everyone else has been a pass. Agree with OP that most of those figures could be slotted into the regular line for $16.99 all day long, but almost $35 shipped is too much for so little. Ahhh, this sums it up. $35 for one figure is way too high for me. Well stated.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 5, 2013 9:06:00 GMT -5
I liked the exclusives don't get me wrong but i would prefer more obscure guys and more to make me wanna buy it. I think most of them like others have also said could just as well be regular flashbacks instead of exclusives.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 5, 2013 10:20:36 GMT -5
Even if 2 packs were $50 exclusive's I'd buy em if they were guys like a dx or Lod. I kinda agree the exclusives have been lacking compared to jakks. I get mattels cost more but I feel like things we get for exclusives should easily be made in the elite line. How long did we have to wait for a damn attitude era belt? I feel like the last few elites were accessory packs more than exclusives cuz I really bought them for the belts. Even other figs like macho king and bret really were repaints with lame accessories. Figs like nwo macho are more the route I would like to see them go. It was a new scan, new deco not just a simple repaint. We even got a weightbelt, an accessory no other fig came with. To me that feels more like an exclusive. This all day. Mattel, and RSC, I've stated that I would drop the $50 on 2 Packs.... Red/Black LOD, New Age Outlaws, The Outsiders.. Hell, even current tag teams like The Uso's and Epico/Primo!!! RSC's exclusives have been fair at best. I have them all except Hardcore Kane, cause I'm waiting for payday. I'm the type that buys anyways, but, it would be nice to target exclusives that aren't repaints. WCW Rey Mysterio jr for example would be killer, but ad some would say, he would sell in stores. But , the whole " he will sell in stores" line makes no ing sence, because most stores get around 2 cases of each series and thats it. Hahahah my point here is, Exclusives should just get pumped out everyother month, anf Mattels distribution needs fixed.
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Post by Lionheart S.M on Jul 5, 2013 10:43:53 GMT -5
Hardcore Kane made me think "We haven't planned anyone to have the Hardcore title any time soon... So here, have another Kane" And the price tag steers me away from buying them too.
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Post by the franchise on Jul 5, 2013 11:01:46 GMT -5
The problem is every exclusive could have been sold in stores and would therefore have cost less.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 5, 2013 11:07:33 GMT -5
Hardcore Kane made me think "We haven't planned anyone to have the Hardcore title any time soon... So here, have another Kane" And the price tag steers me away from buying them too. I have to agree here too. The title should have come with Cactus Jack. The price point really doesn't bother me. Its not like we are flooded with exclusives all year. I wish we were, but at $28 I'm ok with that. RSC, is there at all a chance that we could vote for the next exclusive?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 5, 2013 12:09:27 GMT -5
Hardcore Kane made me think "We haven't planned anyone to have the Hardcore title any time soon... So here, have another Kane" And the price tag steers me away from buying them too. People have been asking for a 2001 style Kane figure for a long time. I have to agree here too. The title should have come with Cactus Jack. Nonsense. Kane was a Hardcore champion. Cactus Jack wasn't.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 5, 2013 12:18:47 GMT -5
I know Kane was champ. Maybe its the fact that Kane should have come with a weapon. A shopping cart would have been nice, or a chair, stop sign... Something. Whats a hardcore champion without a weapon?
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 5, 2013 12:40:31 GMT -5
I know Kane was champ. Maybe its the fact that Kane should have come with a weapon. A shopping cart would have been nice, or a chair, stop sign... Something. Whats a hardcore champion without a weapon? Or I think the point is - when I think of former Hardcore Champions - Kane is about the least person that comes to mind... According to the list of former Hardcore Champions on Wikipedia, Undertaker held the title for two months in 2002 - so what would you think if he came with the Hardcore belt? According to the same list - Kane only held that title for 16 days.... "Hardcore Kane" just seems like an odd choice for an exclusive....
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 5, 2013 12:52:54 GMT -5
I know Kane was champ. Maybe its the fact that Kane should have come with a weapon. A shopping cart would have been nice, or a chair, stop sign... Something. Whats a hardcore champion without a weapon? Or I think the point is - when I think of former Hardcore Champions - Kane is about the least person that comes to mind... According to the list of former Hardcore Champions on Wikipedia, Undertaker held the title for two months in 2002 - so what would you think if he came with the Hardcore belt? According to the same list - Kane only held that title for 16 days.... "Hardcore Kane" just seems like an odd choice for an exclusive.... Kane comes to mind because of WM17. I would have loved to see Raven as the exclusive. As he has always been my favorite. But the Hardcore title to me, screams names like Crash, Hardcore Holly, Al Snow, Steve Blackmen, Road Dogg, and Raven. All would have been great to choose from. I wish Mattel was as passionate about talent signings as Jakks was. Mattel doesn't seem to " chase" signatures.
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