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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 11, 2013 11:48:25 GMT -5
Again, false. The majority of members here are not scalpers, they are genuine collectors. Pretending that the majority of members are scalpers is just something that scumbag scalpers try to convince themselves so they feel better about ripping people off. Again, naive. While most aren't open about it. As has been pointed out to you -- if everyone here was a scalper, nobody would be buying from scalpers. Scalpers feed off collectors. If there are no collectors, only scalpers, then nobody would be buying from scalpers. The majority of people here are not scalpers. It's not even close to the majority.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 11, 2013 12:02:11 GMT -5
Again, naive. While most aren't open about it. As has been pointed out to you -- if everyone here was a scalper, nobody would be buying from scalpers. Scalpers feed off collectors. If there are no collectors, only scalpers, then nobody would be buying from scalpers. The majority of people here are not scalpers. It's not even close to the majority. Scalpers don't buy from scalpers. Again, the market dictates even if this did happen it wouldn't happen for long.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 12:15:53 GMT -5
Again, naive. While most aren't open about it. As has been pointed out to you -- if everyone here was a scalper, nobody would be buying from scalpers. Scalpers feed off collectors. If there are no collectors, only scalpers, then nobody would be buying from scalpers. The majority of people here are not scalpers. It's not even close to the majority. Oh, really?? I didn't know that every collector comes here?? You guys are the hardcore guys! You don't make up the majority. I'm glad that is the only thing you can say to combat logic. I didn't say everyone here was a scalper, you did. The collectors aren't the only demo scalpers target btw. There are people shopping for that perfect gift all the time. I have been told several times that my items have made a buyers son or grandson happy! I'm not really incline to believe your opinion on the matter because it seems more like your beliefs are that of how you view yourself. That is fine... Just proclaim you're a minority with pride. You may have been here longer, but the need breed of WFIGS members are (1) same as you, collectors and (2) traders/scaplers. We are hybrids. We understand figure collecting and know how to offset expenses. The old guard is often the most stubborn...
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 11, 2013 12:23:30 GMT -5
As has been pointed out to you -- if everyone here was a scalper, nobody would be buying from scalpers. Scalpers feed off collectors. If there are no collectors, only scalpers, then nobody would be buying from scalpers. The majority of people here are not scalpers. It's not even close to the majority. Oh, really?? I didn't know that every collector comes here?? You guys are the hardcore guys! You don't make up the majority. I'm glad that is the only thing you can say to combat logic. I didn't say everyone here was a scalper, you did. The collectors aren't the only demo scalpers target btw. There are people shopping for that perfect gift all the time. I have been told several times that my items have made a buyers son or grandson happy! I'm not really incline to believe your opinion on the matter because it seems more like your beliefs are that of how you view yourself. That is fine... Just proclaim you're a minority with pride. You may have been here longer, but the need breed of WFIGS members are (1) same as you, collectors and (2) traders/scaplers. We are hybrids. We understand figure collecting and know how to offset expenses. The old guard is often the most stubborn... Chill. We're referring to people who hit up physical stores and raid the good stuff. The majority of collectors aren't on here. The majority of children aren't on here (although some act like it). The majority of scalpers aren't on here, although it's more likely the know how people feel about them. Like we said earlier, we don't consider you a scalper, no need to bitterly defend the scum who need defending.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 11, 2013 12:29:26 GMT -5
I'm not really incline to believe your opinion on the matter because it seems more like your beliefs are that of how you view yourself.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 11, 2013 12:36:44 GMT -5
It should be boring. I should be able to walk into a store and find the product on the shelves. Sorry this is the stupidest post I've read in quite some time. What kid is going to go online and buy a figure? Were is the money/credit card coming to pay for it? I couldn't tell you how many times when my daughter was younger I said no to buying her something online because it was 2-3 more times than what it should have been. And I am sure I'm not the only parent who feels that way. I applied the same rules to her that I used on myself. If it wasn't something I (or she) wanted enough to preorder if we didn't find it in the store then we just didn't get it. I don't feed scalpers. Eventually she would get it at TRU because I had a couple employees who would keep an eye out for it and put it aside for her. I'm not saying people should pay 3x retail for a toy. I'm saying if that figure that they wanted so desperately isn't in the stores and its crushing their poor little souls that much, there are other means of getting the figure. Attaining toys for kids is far,far easier than it was when I was young. Back in the dark ages of the 70s and 80s, once a toy was gone from your local store, your options were gone too. As my kids have gone through different phases, I've been able to pick up entire collections, often times for far less than their original retail prices, on places like Ebay.
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Post by PJ on Jul 11, 2013 12:46:59 GMT -5
I'm not saying people should pay 3x retail for a toy. I'm saying if that figure that they wanted so desperately isn't in the stores and its crushing their poor little souls that much, there are other means of getting the figure. Attaining toys for kids is far,far easier than it was when I was young. Back in the dark ages of the 70s and 80s, once a toy was gone from your local store, your options were gone too. As my kids have gone through different phases, I've been able to pick up entire collections, often times for far less than their original retail prices, on places like Ebay. I don't know if I agree with that. Growing up in the 70's I was big into all Megos, Action Jackson, LJN SWAT, 12" GI Joes and army men and there was never a time I (or my parents) couldn't find the ones I wanted on the shelves. I think things started changing when the Star Wars figures started being produced. That I remember having a hard time finding Han and the Stormtrooper. Ended finally finding them at a Mom and Pop store on Bloomfield Ave in North Caldwell NJ.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 13:15:31 GMT -5
Everyone keeps using the excuse that it hurts the kids....That's so not ture. I remember when I was a kid. Did I want a LJN Hacksaw Jim Duggan? Sure....Did I ever get one. Nope. But, I continued to have hours and hours of fun with my Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper figures that were in every store and loved every second of it. Not to mention that if the parents can't find the figure nowadays, they can just buy it online. An option my parents didn't have. Do you want everyone to like you for you??
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Post by qdogg on Jul 11, 2013 13:23:19 GMT -5
I dont think theres alot of people that collect these in my area, I guess Im lucky. I alway seem to find the ones I want still on the shelf. My area stores rarely restock the same series , and if they do its just one more case so i have to buy them when I see them but its cool.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 11, 2013 13:32:15 GMT -5
I'm still blaming Mattel....
If they distributed the figures better, they wouldn't be so hard to find and there would not be a need for a secondary market (populated by scalpers). And the scalpers would then cease to exist...
As it is - a new Elite line hits, and the more popoular characters from that particular wave are usually gone within hours - and many times not stocked again. This is not (necessarily) the fault of scalpers - but of poor distribution of the assortments by Mattel. 1 Flashback per every other case? C'mon....
Let's be realistic here - that is intentional short-packing on the part of Mattel. If they really wanted to sell them they'd be available in ample numbers on their "MattyCollector" website for reasonable prices, so that real collectors who couldn't find them at retail would still have a chance to get them at a fair price (not DOUBLE).
Since new Elites only come out every two months - and stores are running out of them in a week - Mattel is obviously under-producing. They are the ones creating the demand that scalpers then capitalize on.
The only one who can fix the issue is Mattel....
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 11, 2013 13:44:53 GMT -5
I dont think theres alot of people that collect these in my area, I guess Im lucky. I alway seem to find the ones I want still on the shelf. My area stores rarely restock the same series , and if they do its just one more case so i have to buy them when I see them but its cool. Yeah, I've never had much trouble. There's one kid in my area that's a scalper (he was a member here but called everyone Mary and got banned, I think), but for the most part, it's fine. I'm pretty on top of calling stores and heading out to find figures, but I have the benefit of living in a pretty large city and not working regular hours. As it is - a new Elite line hits, and the more popoular characters from that particular wave are usually gone within hours - and many times not stocked again. This is not (necessarily) the fault of scalpers - but of poor distribution of the assortments by Mattel. 1 Flashback per every other case? C'mon.... Not all Flashbacks have been 1 per every other case. Christian was 1 per case, for example, and seemed to sell worse than any recent elite apart from Orton and Rey. Undertaker in series 18 was 1 per case, and didn't fly off shelves either. Same for Lawler. $15.99 isn't double. Thing is, if they flooded stores with figures, then when those figures didn't sell, stores would stop ordering those lines. We've seen what happens to expensive-to-produce lines that are left unsold. From Mattel's perspective, the way they release elites right now must be working.
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Jul 11, 2013 13:57:02 GMT -5
Not one anti-scalping post so far has been in any way logical, or even a good argument against it. Every one has been based on emotion. I still don't even get how this relates to Mattel figures. How are people not finding this stuff at retail? I don't even do much hunting, and I've found everything but Kevin Nash. That I bout on Ebay for under $25 shipped. The same could be said of those arguing in favor of it. Just a bunch of people trying to defend their scalping.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 14:05:00 GMT -5
Not one anti-scalping post so far has been in any way logical, or even a good argument against it. Every one has been based on emotion. I still don't even get how this relates to Mattel figures. How are people not finding this stuff at retail? I don't even do much hunting, and I've found everything but Kevin Nash. That I bout on Ebay for under $25 shipped. The same could be said of those arguing in favor of it. Just a bunch of people trying to defend their scalping. And a bunch of people defending their non-scalping
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Post by acura143 on Jul 11, 2013 14:10:39 GMT -5
I have no problems with people buying extra figures to make some money. I used to that when I was buying. I would not go intentionally go to a store and scalp. When i found what i was looking, sometimes i would buy extra to trade or sell. I would use the extra money for my collection. I'm done collecting and have not bought a figure in about 4 months. I have the same problem with buying sneakers now. Everybody wants to buy sneakers just to resell and sometimes they don't know anything about the sneaker but know how much money they can make out of it. If i'm not able to buy at at store or online for retail, i just move along to the next.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 11, 2013 14:18:02 GMT -5
$15.99 isn't double.
Oh, I was referring to the scalper prices being double. Matty's prices are somewhat reasonable but they generally don't have that much available. My point is that Matty should use that website as an alternative for families, working people, etc (those who can't stalk Target or find the desired items at retail) instead of forcing them to go to scalpers/secondary market... and Matty kind of already does that - they just need to have the figures stocked a little better, more readily available...
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Post by popyduggan on Jul 11, 2013 14:41:11 GMT -5
Scalpers sometimes literally camp out in front of Toys R Us on shipping days before they open, run in when they open, grab all the good stuff, and leave. How, may I ask, do you suggest to get there before them? This times a million. Hot Wheels guys for instance, know exactly what days the trucks arrive and what time the pallets are brought to the floor and they never fail to show up EVERY TIME. Even if I tell them we didn't get any new stuff, they'll f***ing circle the cart I'm working on like a shark afterwards to make sure. Otherwise they just cherry pick the pallets if I'm not around. Basically, a common person without these obsessive traits will never find the good stuff at retail. I mean honestly scalpers, I pity your psychological state if you think someone else has to lose for you to win. I see it weekly on here, someone'll ask, "Uh...what figures are rarest?". They ask because they don't care about the figs, but are happy to scalp whatever's trending for profit. If you want a profit buy some stocks, okay?
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Post by Matt Hardy Collector on Jul 11, 2013 14:42:54 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems with scalpers is something my wife ran into when she worked at TRU was scalper returns. There was a scalper who bought a bunch of figures all 1 figure early in the morning, and later that day the scalper returned to the store to return all the figures because they either weren't selling for enough on ebay or just weren't selling fast enough. This happened a couple of times while she worked there, scalper comes in and buys a bunch of 1 figure and then later returns with it because there was no money to be made.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 11, 2013 14:48:12 GMT -5
Oh, I was referring to the scalper prices being double. Matty's prices are somewhat reasonable but they generally don't have that much available. My point is that Matty should use that website as an alternative for families, working people, etc (those who can't stalk Target or find the desired items at retail) instead of forcing them to go to scalpers/secondary market... and Matty kind of already does that - they just need to have the figures stocked a little better, more readily available... Ah, I get you. I think that whole selling flashbacks on the site thing was literally just set up for us collectors who get burnt by scalpers. The figures they put on there aren't really the ones kids would care about, and I don't know how they'd ever really get the message to families about it?
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jul 11, 2013 14:55:31 GMT -5
How do you expect people to beat scalpers at their own game when the average person has work or school to get up for? Not everyone can show up at TRU at 9:30 am everyday because they have more important things to do.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jul 11, 2013 14:59:07 GMT -5
Oh, I was referring to the scalper prices being double. Matty's prices are somewhat reasonable but they generally don't have that much available. My point is that Matty should use that website as an alternative for families, working people, etc (those who can't stalk Target or find the desired items at retail) instead of forcing them to go to scalpers/secondary market... and Matty kind of already does that - they just need to have the figures stocked a little better, more readily available... Ah, I get you. I think that whole selling flashbacks on the site thing was literally just set up for us collectors who get burnt by scalpers. The figures they put on there aren't really the ones kids would care about, and I don't know how they'd ever really get the message to families about it? Well maybe they should put a little sticker advertising the website on the packaging of Mattel figures... and expand the online selection to include some of the more mainstream figures.... That way, parents/working folks could easily access the website and get figures at a fair price instead of turning to scalpers - and the secondary market would then fizzle out.... I guess RSC is a good solution for that too - I just find their prices a little high - so far I've had pretty good luck at retail. Some would probably say I have the persistance of some of these scalpers - the difference is, I only buy one (occasionally a second if I want to keep one MOC, but only if the price is good).
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