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Post by Markw on Aug 8, 2013 11:19:25 GMT -5
Maybe you should try running an E-Fed and being completely dependent on other people writing matches, would be fun to see how you manage to post full show results when you've only been sent 50% of the matches, not including any of the main matches that are the end point for the two major storylines going in to the PPV. Would be fun to see how you cope with new guys and people who aren't even active here (people who should know better) giving you grief about the wait for results, a wait that you yourself can do nothing about. Would be interesting to see if you could motivate yourself to keep going after a show where 4 people bother to RP. Sounds fun doesn't it? It really is a thankless job that Trace and Shawn do and it's one that I'm certain you and the majority of people on here couldn't do any better. I have no idea why so many people keep agreeing to do it to be honest. I'm not brown-nosing, in fact I'm pretty annoyed that nothing seems to have been done about an unrelated issue I raised a couple of weeks ago to be honest. But complaints over the wait for results are completely out of order when the only person acknowledging the people complaining in this thread has written a match and has already given a full explanation for why results aren't up. At the very least, if you're going to bitch about the wait for results that you haven't even contributed to, you should be aiming it at the right people. When you create the perfect E-Fed with no wait for show results and no one no-showing I'm sure we'll all join and have a great time. Till then, let them get on with what is a difficult job without giving them grief for it. I would say something, but I dont feel the need to fill this thread with arguments. I don't want an argument, I just want people to think about whether they could do any better before they start complaining.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Aug 8, 2013 11:46:55 GMT -5
Maybe you should try running an E-Fed and being completely dependent on other people writing matches, would be fun to see how you manage to post full show results when you've only been sent 50% of the matches, not including any of the main matches that are the end point for the two major storylines going in to the PPV. Would be fun to see how you cope with new guys and people who aren't even active here (people who should know better) giving you grief about the wait for results, a wait that you yourself can do nothing about. Would be interesting to see if you could motivate yourself to keep going after a show where 4 people bother to RP. Sounds fun doesn't it? It really is a thankless job that Trace and Shawn do and it's one that I'm certain you and the majority of people on here couldn't do any better. I have no idea why so many people keep agreeing to do it to be honest. I'm not brown-nosing, in fact I'm pretty annoyed that nothing seems to have been done about an unrelated issue I raised a couple of weeks ago to be honest. But complaints over the wait for results are completely out of order when the only person acknowledging the people complaining in this thread has written a match and has already given a full explanation for why results aren't up. At the very least, if you're going to bitch about the wait for results that you haven't even contributed to, you should be aiming it at the right people. When you create the perfect E-Fed with no wait for show results and no one no-showing I'm sure we'll all join and have a great time. Till then, let them get on with what is a difficult job without giving them grief for it. I would say something, but I dont feel the need to fill this thread with arguments. He's right though, you have absolutely no right to complain, especially if you are aiming it at Shawn. He's just as annoyed as you and all of the rest of us are about the two or three people who haven't done what they needed to do (which is I remember my conversations with Shawn correctly is down to one). Pissing and moaning about it isn't going to get anything done. For as long as you've been around here on and off you should know this. If you want to say something say it, may as well get your opinion out there. As long as we don't resort to name calling or cursing one another out, it's fine. I personally think this is a discussion that has needed to be had for a long time.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 8, 2013 11:52:39 GMT -5
I would say something, but I dont feel the need to fill this thread with arguments. I don't want an argument, I just want people to think about whether they could do any better before they start complaining. I could and have. The deadline for people writing crap for the show should be BEFORE the roleplay deadline. Maybe by an extra 2-3 days. Then the results aren't written based on the roleplay quality (which is how it's always been around here, not something I particularly agree with), realistically speaking the show should be finished when deadline comes up and just need either finishes written or one of two alternate finishes plugged in. And if anyone decides to be a up, you're only at the roleplay deadline to find a replacement match writer or for the owners to write it themselves, not two weeks after it. Sometimes I actually question why people stick around here. Not meant as a jab at this federation, but why people continue to do this hobby at all. If you don't have the time for it and you're consistently no showing, not handling your character well, and not doing participation stuff like reading other people's stuff and writing results, why are you doing it? You're clearly not interested in the federation any more/ever were, or you clearly do not have the time to do it. I don't have the time or motivation to do it, so despite having some really cool angles that I'd like to do, I took time off to try to remotivate myself and see if I would have time with my new schedule. When I realized I didn't, I posted what bits and pieces I had written and walked away. This isn't a job or something you HAVE to do. It's a game and a hobby. It's borderline mental illness when you're forcing yourself to participate in something you either don't enjoy or don't have any time to be doing.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 8, 2013 11:54:14 GMT -5
also, Ace is a poopy monster and a t*** y****
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Post by Ace Bennett on Aug 8, 2013 12:12:50 GMT -5
Love you too Philly <3
But yeah, I pretty much agree with Phil. My mismanagement of time when it was my turn to post results as well as my admitted horrible direction I was taking with my character made the WFWF unfun for me. Until I thought of a new direction I wasn't going to come back. I always wanted to be more strict with that segment deadline, and I think we were for the first couple shows of it if I remember right but after that and up until now it just seems to kinda be there.
But for the current system, as flawed as it is, throwing blame and yelling at the people who are actually working hard to make this a good show despite delays is kind of counterproductive. There's only one person who can do anything about it, and I'm not gonna throw out names, but they need to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 20:01:28 GMT -5
All we have to do now is wait. I do suggest you to go back into the Past Results sub-board and read past shows. There are some technical f-ups in there, but that's due to the Proboards update. Just wait and read. [/quote]
Well.......... Ok but they still need to FREAKING hurry up.. The card was posted like a month ago........
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Post by Ace Bennett on Aug 8, 2013 21:38:38 GMT -5
Well.......... Ok but they still need to FREAKING hurry up.. The card was posted like a month ago........ What exactly have you done to improve the quality of the results? Have you read or replied to anything? Have you written anything? If not, I don't feel you have any space to complain. As I said before, this is not the best way to handle how results are put out and we all know this, but to sit there and complain while contributing absolutely nothing to the results isn't going to help things whatsoever. Do something productive with your frustration. Write a segment, read some RPs to help improve your own work. There's plenty that you can do that you probably haven't done. If you know who is holding up the results, take it up with them privately instead of bashing the entire federation, where the majority of the writers are trying their best to make it a good show. If you don't know, then just wait patiently, they will be up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 21:59:35 GMT -5
Well.......... Ok but they still need to FREAKING hurry up.. The card was posted like a month ago........ What exactly have you done to improve the quality of the results? Have you read or replied to anything? Have you written anything? If not, I don't feel you have any space to complain. As I said before, this is not the best way to handle how results are put out and we all know this, but to sit there and complain while contributing absolutely nothing to the results isn't going to help things whatsoever. Do something productive with your frustration. Write a segment, read some RPs to help improve your own work. There's plenty that you can do that you probably haven't done. If you know who is holding up the results, take it up with them privately instead of bashing the entire federation, where the majority of the writers are trying their best to make it a good show. If you don't know, then just wait patiently, they will be up. I totally agree with Ace right here. I'm not going to try and toot my own horn here, but I have written a segment AND a match for this pay-per-view. During this time period between the card and the actual PPV, I have started writing my RP for the next show (Whenever that may be). I do know that Ace has written a segment for this show, but do you see him bashing the owners? Nope. I know for sure that Shawn has written a match. Do you see him bashing the people who haven't sent in? Nope. What I'm trying to state is that you have no room to bash anybody for the delay of the results. Like I said earlier, read some past results and RPs. It will only help you on getting better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 22:03:33 GMT -5
Can one of the mods PM me? I can write a match if need be.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 8, 2013 22:06:41 GMT -5
Aye. I am not the type to like, all out bash a person. Life happens. I get that. I might even have to step aside for a month or so coming up till I move and figure our if I still have a job, so I get life. I have PMd who is holding them up, and subsequently sent them a second message apologizing for being so irritated in the first one, but I will not call them out by name. Not my style.
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Post by WFWF Andrew Carter on Aug 8, 2013 22:53:04 GMT -5
I fail to see how its not fair that rko123 and I cant be annoyed because the results havent been up. Because we dont contribute as much as you guys do? Thats the case? I try my best to show up, and write my RP. Even if I dont comment on others RPs that doesnt mean anything. Jesus. If I want to be annoyed because the results of a PPV arent posted and the card was up for a month, then I will be. Maybe I want to see if I won or lost my match?
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Post by Ace Bennett on Aug 8, 2013 23:14:18 GMT -5
It's perfectly fine for you to be annoyed with it, nobody ever said that. But to publicly complain about it is, in my opinion (and probably everyone else's), even more annoying that the results not being posted on time. It was just me suggesting that you and Khan be more constructive with your time and read someone's RP to improve your own work so you can take the little comment below your record out of your signature. If you knew who was holding the results up, which you don't I'm assuming, then sure I'd be perfectly fine with you taking it up with them through PM. But you're adding to everyone's level of annoyance by constantly pestering everyone for the results. You are essentially spitting into the face of all of those who have worked hard to make this a good show because not only have you not helped make this a good show, in character or out, you spout off how annoyed you are and are simply stating how everyone else feels.
It's something that Trace and Shawn as owners need to work out and tweak, definitely. The segment deadline needs to be more steadfast and I would even consider a new system where you can't sign up to write matches if you fail to write a certain number of matches before the deadline. Something will be done about this, and hopefully it will stick this time. But as the system is, there is nothing that can be done right now but wait for the very important segment. I can assure you that Shawn (who I talk to a lot) is working to get the results up as soon as he can. Complaining is just going to labor the process even further than necessary.
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Post by Rated R on Aug 8, 2013 23:44:43 GMT -5
I'm going to lay this to rest right here and make it clear that results will be up within the next twenty four hours, with or without what we're missing. After that I intend to take everything that's been said into account and work on a way to reduce the time between deadline and results, not just the long wait on pay per views but also for the regular cards because this isn't an isolated problem.
So that's that. Twenty four hours, just give us that.
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Post by CM Poor on Aug 9, 2013 5:27:55 GMT -5
Oh, look - Andrew Carter and rko123 think they're owed something. You want to know why something like four people have told you to go back and reread old results, even ones with codes that have been broken by the ProBoards update? So you can see exactly what goes into putting a show together, and how without the participation of people who've committed to writing pieces for the show, all that work falls to two people. You want the quality of results that the WFWF is known for to continue being the normal output? Then help out, and quit being so insipid. Carter, you've got a nerve to say anything at all, given what's causing the delay - you've been booked ten times here, and you've only ever bothered to show for 3. Now me? I don't personally think a no-show is tantamount to 9/11 like some people might, but when that same person turns around and starts bitching that two guys haven't put out a show that, on its own, would typically take up 3 or 4 full posts in a thread and then some, it screams childish entitlement. Real life has gotten in YOUR way before, preventing YOU from writing rps in the past (which, to be brutally honest, don't even scratch the surface of what goes into a show, let alone a PPV), but when YOU want a show, all the sudden you're right where you need to be. Like someone said - what have YOU done to help the show along? Oh, that's right - you backed out of writing your own match on page 1, because you, in your own words, "didn't have time". In the meantime, Proggy/Demento/Benjamin/etc., previously one of the most unreliable people here, has stepped up, written his roleplay, written a segment, written a match, and taken the downtime and made a cool new roster picture for everyone who has asked for one - even people who haven't had the chance to be booked yet. Take his example, and do something. Half the things in place are here because this entire game or whatever is a collaborative effort. Don't wait to be asked. I wasn't asked to make an entire collection of title belts in Photoshop so we could have a more genuine looking theme than we did - I just did. I'm fairly certain Drakz wasn't always asked to make posters for the PPVs - he just did. TL;DR? Try being a contributor before you decide to come in here and bitch - otherwise, you may as well vacate any license to do so. I hope your match is just shown as the card listing, with the winner's name in bold. You'd have no one to blame but yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:01:20 GMT -5
I fail to see how its not fair that rko123 and I cant be annoyed because the results havent been up. Because we dont contribute as much as you guys do? Thats the case? I try my best to show up, and write my RP. Even if I dont comment on others RPs that doesnt mean anything. Jesus. If I want to be annoyed because the results of a PPV arent posted and the card was up for a month, then I will be. Maybe I want to see if I won or lost my match? I totally agree with you. I just don't want to see my match, I want to see everybody's match.. So, I will say what I want to say, until they ost the freaking results. So since the results are not posted, yea i'm going to get mad, cause the card was posted like a month ago, so yes I am mad. The results need to be posted.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:08:29 GMT -5
I fail to see how its not fair that rko123 and I cant be annoyed because the results havent been up. Because we dont contribute as much as you guys do? Thats the case? I try my best to show up, and write my RP. Even if I dont comment on others RPs that doesnt mean anything. Jesus. If I want to be annoyed because the results of a PPV arent posted and the card was up for a month, then I will be. Maybe I want to see if I won or lost my match? I totally agree with you. I just don't want to see my match, I want to see everybody's match.. So, I will say what I want to say, until they ost the freaking results. So since the results are not posted, yea i'm going to get mad, cause the card was posted like a month ago, so yes I am mad. The results need to be posted.....If everything is not handed in, which most of it was key matches in the card, how do you expect the owners to post the results?
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Post by WFWF Andrew Carter on Aug 9, 2013 15:14:01 GMT -5
Exactly. Like rko123 said, the results arent posted. And because I dont comment on other peoples RP, and I didnt write my own match, and because I havent been here, and because I havnet showed 3 times, and Ive lost 5 matches, I dont have any right to complain? And I dont have the right to get mad? If I want to complain and get mad then Im going to complain and get mad. Jesus Christ! You guys call me immature. I want to see my match. I want to see other peoples matches. I wanna see how the damn PPV went. The card was posted a month ago. I know its not Rated R or LLBD or the other Mods fault. I never said it was. And telling ME to make my own E-Fed? Asking me what I would do if someone didnt write the match they said they was going to? I would step up as the Mod of this board. If I had to Id write the match myself. It wont be the best watch out there but hell, it got written. Didnt it? The people who didnt write that match? Dont let them write anymore matches. Simple. Assign the matches to people if you have to. Dont get mad at me because the results arent posted. Get mad at the people who are supposed to write the damn matches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 15:28:34 GMT -5
Exactly. Like rko123 said, the results arent posted. And because I dont comment on other peoples RP, and I didnt write my own match, and because I havent been here, and because I havnet showed 3 times, and Ive lost 5 matches, I dont have any right to complain? And I dont have the right to get mad? If I want to complain and get mad then Im going to complain and get mad. Jesus Christ! You guys call me immature. I want to see my match. I want to see other peoples matches. I wanna see how the damn PPV went. The card was posted a month ago. I know its not Rated R or LLBD or the other Mods fault. I never said it was. And telling ME to make my own E-Fed? Asking me what I would do if someone didnt write the match they said they was going to? I would step up as the Mod of this board. If I had to Id write the match myself. It wont be the best watch out there but hell, it got written. Didnt it? The people who didnt write that match? Dont let them write anymore matches. Simple. Assign the matches to people if you have to. Dont get mad at me because the results arent posted. Get mad at the people who are supposed to write the damn matches. You kind of contradicted yourself there. We're not getting mad at you or rko. We're just saying that you guys can't complain about the wait. The other day, I went back look at the past results, and I saw a pay-per-view that took two months to be posted. Think about that, you're complaining about a show not posted when it hasn't even been literally a month since it's been posted. Sure, it has been a while since the card has been posted but you can't go blaming the mods/owners. As you stated above, you would step up if you were the mod here. But isn't that what Shawn did? He went and got what needed to be written for the card. I don't get why you're both still complaining about the results not being posted when Trace very clearly stated that they would be up in the next twenty four hours. So stop complaining and wait like the rest of us.
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Post by WFWF Andrew Carter on Aug 9, 2013 15:37:36 GMT -5
Im not complaining anymore about the results. Im getting mad that people are saign crap to me and rko123.
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Post by Revvie® on Aug 9, 2013 15:48:26 GMT -5
Back in my day, flaps took FIFTEEN YEARS to get us our results one time. yep.
I don't know, I ran this place pretty much by myself when I was owner with CBT. His flakey ass didn't hurt me though, but then again I scouted like crazy, made connects, extended the roster for a few months, and had enough dedication to have a permanent writing team. Fancy smancy, I am bragging, I don't care. But seriously, lay off the whining. No one cares about your 'reasons', and frankly there are other feds out there if you want lower quality. WFWF is in a rut right now, help it out of it, don't come on the boards and make it look worse.
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