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Post by Booger Red on Aug 26, 2013 0:24:02 GMT -5
Great episode. The Walter confession was simply a thing of beauty and showed how cunning Walter White can be. I also enjoyed how he managed to talk his son from going to the Schrader home by telling him that his cancer was back. Sadly, I can only assume that Walter is going to kill Jesse because he figured out that he took the cigarette-laced Ricin,poisoned Brock and is probably out to kill him.The first image of the mid-season premiere was Walter White back at his home, which was all ravaged and broken down, while Jesse is trying to burn down the house in this episode.
This show is probably going to have a very depressing ending, but all I can hope is that the show can keep me captivated and that it truly brings everything full circle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 7:50:15 GMT -5
Poor Jessie won't last much longer I believe
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 8:44:57 GMT -5
I think Walt is gonna fake his own death and thTs why the neighbour was so shocked to see him!
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Post by Billy F'N Shogunn on Aug 26, 2013 12:36:01 GMT -5
Judging from the cold open in the B-side of this season, Casa de Blanco did not appear to be fire damaged *(i haven't watched it since it's origial airing, so i could be wrong), but I could see Jesse being the one who spray-paints HEISENBERG on the wall, though. Giving a lead to ABQ 5-0 and ultimately being the one who could be responsible for Walt getting fingered (no jokes, please) as Meth Boyardee. The gas thing could be an attempt to draw some sort of police attention to the residence to see his artwork or the artwork could be a plan B - but either way, it had to be Jesse who did it.
But srsly, we're only 3 episodes in and in my jaded mind i thought the writers would have waited til at least episode 5 to be where we're at now. Can't wait to see where, er, HOW this all goes down!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:00:53 GMT -5
I feel like Walt Jr may be home and Jessie may kill him.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 26, 2013 13:06:49 GMT -5
I feel like Walt Jr may be home and Jessie may kill him. Holy crap. Imagine Walt Jr. Is in his room blasting his headphones like usual when Jesse lights the place up. Damn I would not put that past breaking bad though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:07:47 GMT -5
I think Walt will catch Jesse in the act and be able to talk him down. Don't forget that the Ricin cigarette is still in the wall outlet in Walt's room and that Walt used Lily of the Valley to kill Brock not Ricin. So Walt will show Jesse that he still has the Ricin cigarette making Jesse believe that Walt didn't kill Brock, ultimately confusing Jesse even more.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 26, 2013 13:09:17 GMT -5
I think Walt will catch Jesse in the act and be able to talk him down. Don't forget that the Ricin cigarette is still in the wall outlet in Walt's room and that Walt used Lily of the Valley to kill Brock not Ricin. So Walt will show Jesse that he still has the Ricin cigarette making Jesse believe that Walt didn't kill Brock, ultimately confusing Jesse even more. Remember Brock never died he just was poisened. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:16:41 GMT -5
I think Walt will catch Jesse in the act and be able to talk him down. Don't forget that the Ricin cigarette is still in the wall outlet in Walt's room and that Walt used Lily of the Valley to kill Brock not Ricin. So Walt will show Jesse that he still has the Ricin cigarette making Jesse believe that Walt didn't kill Brock, ultimately confusing Jesse even more. Remember Brock never died he just was poisened. Either way, Jesse thinks Walt used the Ricin to poison Brock but Walt still has the Ricin. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:21:19 GMT -5
Remember Brock never died he just was poisened. Either way, Jesse thinks Walt used the Ricin to poison Brock but Walt still has the Ricin. Jesse found out it wasn't ricin. He's told Walter they said it was from that flower. Jesse just didn't know the flower came from Walt, until now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 13:53:40 GMT -5
Either way, Jesse thinks Walt used the Ricin to poison Brock but Walt still has the Ricin. Jesse found out it wasn't ricin. He's told Walter they said it was from that flower. Jesse just didn't know the flower came from Walt, until now. Then I need to go back and rewatch the end of last night's episode. I know Jesse was yelling at Saul for Huel taking the Ricin cigarette and assisting Walt with poisoning Brock, but I had forgotten the Lily of the Valley became common knowledge at the end of season 4. |
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 26, 2013 15:17:00 GMT -5
I think Walt is gonna fake his own death and thTs why the neighbour was so shocked to see him! I was taking to a friend last night, & he said the same thing. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it. |
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Post by noir on Aug 26, 2013 15:45:24 GMT -5
It was a great episode but the whole 'ricin' situation doesn't make a great deal of sense as far as I see it. Huell lifted the ricin cigarette from Jesse's pocket, allowing for Walt to spin the story that Gus knew about it via the CCTV and used it on Brock. That puts Jesse on Walt's side yada yada. At the end of the face off episode, they reveal it was the Lily of the Valley plant which as far as Jesse knows is just something Brock must have ingested whilst playing or whatnot. That story is closed as far as Jesse is concerned, and I don't get how he realised Huell made the swap just from looking at the cigarettes, nor do I get how he came to the conclusion that Walt poisoned Brock. Not to mention that Walt destroyed he fake ricin in front of him.
Am I missing something? It struck me as the writers wanting the Brock secret to come to light, but they couldn't think of a logical way to do it. I am not convinced.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 26, 2013 16:07:52 GMT -5
I might have togo back and watch a few episodes again to figure this out. Jesse told Walt that the doctors THOUGHT it was the Lily of the Valley. He never said that was confirmed. But did he ever say they confirmed it wasn't ricin? I'm pretty positive he did.
The way Jesse acted when he was about to get picked up, it was like he had a realiziation about the ricin being used on Brock. Why else would he be so out of whack? Holding Saul at gunpoint, burning down Walts house?
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Post by noir on Aug 26, 2013 16:42:44 GMT -5
I might have togo back and watch a few episodes again to figure this out. Jesse told Walt that the doctors THOUGHT it was the Lily of the Valley. He never said that was confirmed. But did he ever say they confirmed it wasn't ricin? I'm pretty positive he did. The way Jesse acted when he was about to get picked up, it was like he had a realiziation about the ricin being used on Brock. Why else would he be so out of whack? Holding Saul at gunpoint, burning down Walts house? yeah but what reason does he have to believe that? a) doctors confirmed it wasn't ricin b) walt took the ricin cigarette (or destroyed it) after they search Jesse's apartment for it. Hate to say it but i think the writers dun goofed... Unless they explain it next episode. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 26, 2013 16:52:07 GMT -5
I might have togo back and watch a few episodes again to figure this out. Jesse told Walt that the doctors THOUGHT it was the Lily of the Valley. He never said that was confirmed. But did he ever say they confirmed it wasn't ricin? I'm pretty positive he did. The way Jesse acted when he was about to get picked up, it was like he had a realiziation about the ricin being used on Brock. Why else would he be so out of whack? Holding Saul at gunpoint, burning down Walts house? yeah but what reason does he have to believe that? a) doctors confirmed it wasn't ricin b) walt took the ricin cigarette (or destroyed it) after they search Jesse's apartment for it. Hate to say it but i think the writers dun goofed... Unless they explain it next episode. No way did the Breaking Bad writers goof up. Jesses gonna explain himself. We saw he's back smoking pot and who knows what else. Maybe between the drugs and annxiety of leaving his old life behind, he got flustered and confused about the whole risin thing. All I know for sure is these writers are too perfect to mess up, especially during such a critical time. |
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Post by noir on Aug 26, 2013 16:57:28 GMT -5
No way did the Breaking Bad writers goof up. Jesses gonna explain himself. We saw he's back smoking pot and who knows what else. Maybe between the drugs and annxiety of leaving his old life behind, he got flustered and confused about the whole risin thing. All I know for sure is these writers are too perfect to mess up, especially during such a critical time. oh I agree absolutely, Vince Gilligan is like my god. BUT, the way the whole thing played out as if we were supposed to realize that Jesse had it all figured out was more confusing than anything. That whole fast paced scene following Jesse I was wondering what it was that the writers were trying to convey. I was thinking I'd missed something for a second, but nobody can seem to be able to explain it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 19:22:51 GMT -5
Not gonna quote your entire conversation Noir and Ryback but, that's exactly what confused me as well which is what led to my original post about the Ricin still in the outlet which will get Jesse back on Walt's side.
I was under the impression that Jesse noticed the Ricin cig was gone, leading him to think that Walt took it and used it on Brock. Hopefully we'll find out more next week.
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Post by noir on Aug 26, 2013 19:45:08 GMT -5
Not gonna quote your entire conversation Noir and Ryback but, that's exactly what confused me as well which is what led to my original post about the Ricin still in the outlet which will get Jesse back on Walt's side. I was under the impression that Jesse noticed the Ricin cig was gone, leading him to think that Walt took it and used it on Brock. Hopefully we'll find out more next week. The thing about the ricin in the outlet is that it's in exactly the same place during the second flashforward scene where Walt returns to the house. Sure he could put it back in exactly the same place, but I'm not so sure. Strikes me as slightly clunky writing. From what I'm reading on reddit, the consensus seems to be that the build up of Jesse knowing about the prison stabbings, the realization that Walt killed Mike and finally noticing that he was pick-pocketed by Huell is what made him catch on. In the episode 'End Times', Jesse also figures the situation out to an extent so really he's just resurrecting an old thought that he was led to believe was false. That DOES make sense for as to why Jesse figured something was up. But it still doesn't justify why he'd storm into Saul's office, beat the crap out of him, and then threaten him and his colleagues. Jesse had a hunch something was up and he was right, but I don't see how anyone could rationally explain why he acted in such away other than cheap reasoning like drugs/anxiety/emotions. They have had over a year to work on these 8 episodes though so I have faith that we'll get a better picture next week. ... I take this show way too seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 20:01:03 GMT -5
I'm definitely not doubting their ability to deliver on these final 8 episodes, that's a no brainer. My confusion/frustration is just coming from not understanding; we may all be jumping the gun anyway. There's still plenty of time to get answers and wrap up loose ends.
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