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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 6, 2013 16:45:26 GMT -5
If you want to be mindblown, and introduced to a number of the Beatles most notable songs, covered pretty well, with brilliant visuals- watch the movie 'Across the Universe'. Abso-freakin-lutely!!! I love that movie!! I remember actually being shown that movie in High School. Wasn't very intrgied then. I didn't start liking the Beatles until my weed smoking days. Then I really began to respect their music and get deep into their library. I don't care what anyone says "Here Comes The Sun" is probably the most uplifting song in history, they are a really great band but also a really trippy band. |
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Post by jacobdude1357 on Sept 6, 2013 17:42:57 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of them in the world, but they're responsible for one of my favorite songs of all time.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on the planet that hasn't at least heard of them. Even if you're not a fan of them, you have to respect how influential they were. Definitely not overrated.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 6, 2013 18:32:25 GMT -5
The thing about The Beatles was that you kinda had no choice but to listen to them. Other genres of music weren't readily available so everyone listened to them and a few other bands. There will be, and have been, plenty of revolutionary and equally talented bands since, but with the growth of music and then the internet it is now far easier to find what you like, so no one is forced to listen to the same stuff as everyone else. Because of that nothing will ever be as big as them again due to the wide variety of alternatives, hence them being a bit overhyped to younger generations. They're great, but not in a league of their own.
This isn't to say there weren't other bands then; of course there were. But everyone listened to the Beatles because pop music was still in its formative stages really, and there wasn't as much variety. Even where there was it was far harder to access. So most people just listened to the Beatles, and naturally love what they grew up with; compare that to today, where some people in this thread will love the top 40 and others will hate it. Back then for most people the top 40 was their only option growing up.
Yesterday is their best song imo. And I also personally think Lennon seems like a dick, but he was undoubtedly hugely talented. The Beatles were revolutionary and talented, but other groups and artists have been like that too. The Beatles are put on a pedestal because of their timing more than anything. They were fantastic but they don't deserve to be heralded than better than anything else ever.
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Post by Jorge on Sept 6, 2013 18:42:34 GMT -5
Most overrated band ever.
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Post by Suckasays on Sept 6, 2013 18:51:00 GMT -5
They are not really my preference but at the end of the day it's just a matter of taste. I don't like to throw the word overrated around to be honest. There are so many people who like them so that proves that they did SOMETHING right.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Sept 6, 2013 21:17:58 GMT -5
Just because you can't get into their music doesn't mean they're overrated. Never once did I say that The Beatles are overrated because I don't like them. The thing is every now and again, The Beatles are talked about like they were Jesus multiplied four times. They're automatically put in their own class. The only "Big Four" band I really like is Metallica. Does that discount what Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer did for thrash metal? No, it doesn't. Anything that came before Run-DMC, I'm timid of it. But who am I to discount Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc, and Afrika Bambataa? They built hip-hop and every one of its elements. Without them, the genre would not exist. I don't think Biggie has the catalogue that guys like Nas and 2Pac have, and I would probably rate him as average. But it was Ready To Die and his subsequent death that led to him outclassing several others. He has the influence/impact. Overrated is when someone puts someone/something at a higher level than they should be. That's why I made this thread. Me not getting into The Beatles is just gravy on top of the mashed potatoes. Like Mike Giggs said, The Beatles were in the right place at the right time. There weren't many other acts at the time, which is why so many people flocked to The Beatles and their legacy became so massive. In 2013, with music as broad and developed as it is, they would be turned away by non-mainstream consumers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 22:25:00 GMT -5
No...I'm not a rebel at all. I'm just being honest about how I feel. I agree with everything you said and I never said anything to the contrary. I never once said I "didn't like them" or that anyone was forcing me to listen to them. You are simply upset because I feel differently about The Beatles than you do. Essentially, you are doing to me what you asked me not to do to you in your post above. I respect them. Who doesn't? I just don't feel their music (even at that time) was quite as revolutionary or groundbreaking as some people like to believe. I apologize if my opinion differs from yours and that upsets you. Umm... No, I'm not upset at all because of what you think about them. Like, WTF? I was joking about the rebel thing, lighten up. Your just another nameless, faceless person on the internet, your opinions mean less than nothing to me. I was just stating that it's ridiculous to call something overrated just because you don't like it. I wasn't getting all worked up over your opinion. Don't flatter yourself, buddy. Ok. |
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Post by The Future on Sept 7, 2013 7:33:18 GMT -5
So they popularized pop-rock, created metal/hard rock (with Helter Skelter), pioneered psychedelic rock, and raised literally 4 or 5 generations on their music, yet are still discounted because people feel they wouldn't be popular today? Well, look around- they still are popular today, when they re-issued their white album on iTunes, it was the number one seller for weeks. Paul McCartney is still relevant and performing, George was a revolutionary guitarist/songwriter/spiritual being. John Lennon is probably one of the artists who died tragically held on a pedestal beside Kurt Cobain by today's younger generation, and I really can't think of a band that has remnants of their sound in so many bands today. I can argue that other bands I love surpass them in vocal talent(Queen), or are more 'radio friendly' for today's audience, but no other following bands may have gotten the exposure or existed in the same light had it not been for the Beatles.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 7, 2013 8:11:19 GMT -5
So they popularized pop-rock, created metal/hard rock (with Helter Skelter), pioneered psychedelic rock, and raised literally 4 or 5 generations on their music, yet are still discounted because people feel they wouldn't be popular today? Well, look around- they still are popular today, when they re-issued their white album on iTunes, it was the number one seller for weeks. Paul McCartney is still relevant and performing, George was a revolutionary guitarist/songwriter/spiritual being. John Lennon is probably one of the artists who died tragically held on a pedestal beside Kurt Cobain by today's younger generation, and I really can't think of a band that has remnants of their sound in so many bands today. I can argue that other bands I love surpass them in vocal talent(Queen), or are more 'radio friendly' for today's audience, but no other following bands may have gotten the exposure or existed in the same light had it not been for the Beatles. Fair enough, but you can't deny that some of their success is due to timing. If those 4 were born 40 years later they would not have been able to make the impact they did. |
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Post by MacReady on Sept 7, 2013 9:55:04 GMT -5
OP. looked at your profile. 15, you're right on track, you'll come to your senses in a few years and learn to appreciate and respect what they mean to music.
I don't think they are overrated at all, then again I grew up with two parents who are DIE HARD fans, so that helped me gain an appreciation for them from an early age.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 11:00:40 GMT -5
Just because you can't get into their music doesn't mean they're overrated. Never once did I say that The Beatles are overrated because I don't like them. The thing is every now and again, The Beatles are talked about like they were Jesus multiplied four times. They're automatically put in their own class. The only "Big Four" band I really like is Metallica. Does that discount what Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer did for thrash metal? No, it doesn't. Anything that came before Run-DMC, I'm timid of it. But who am I to discount Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc, and Afrika Bambataa? They built hip-hop and every one of its elements. Without them, the genre would not exist. I don't think Biggie has the catalogue that guys like Nas and 2Pac have, and I would probably rate him as average. But it was Ready To Die and his subsequent death that led to him outclassing several others. He has the influence/impact. Overrated is when someone puts someone/something at a higher level than they should be. That's why I made this thread. Me not getting into The Beatles is just gravy on top of the mashed potatoes. Like Mike Giggs said, The Beatles were in the right place at the right time. There weren't many other acts at the time, which is why so many people flocked to The Beatles and their legacy became so massive. In 2013, with music as broad and developed as it is, they would be turned away by non-mainstream consumers. Well the title of your thread asks if the Beatles are overrated. That comment wasn't directed towards you, I was just stating that in general. |
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Sept 7, 2013 12:46:12 GMT -5
Never once did I say that The Beatles are overrated because I don't like them. The thing is every now and again, The Beatles are talked about like they were Jesus multiplied four times. They're automatically put in their own class. The only "Big Four" band I really like is Metallica. Does that discount what Anthrax, Megadeth, and Slayer did for thrash metal? No, it doesn't. Anything that came before Run-DMC, I'm timid of it. But who am I to discount Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc, and Afrika Bambataa? They built hip-hop and every one of its elements. Without them, the genre would not exist. I don't think Biggie has the catalogue that guys like Nas and 2Pac have, and I would probably rate him as average. But it was Ready To Die and his subsequent death that led to him outclassing several others. He has the influence/impact. Overrated is when someone puts someone/something at a higher level than they should be. That's why I made this thread. Me not getting into The Beatles is just gravy on top of the mashed potatoes. Like Mike Giggs said, The Beatles were in the right place at the right time. There weren't many other acts at the time, which is why so many people flocked to The Beatles and their legacy became so massive. In 2013, with music as broad and developed as it is, they would be turned away by non-mainstream consumers. Well the title of your thread asks if the Beatles are overrated. That comment wasn't directed towards you, I was just stating that in general. Oh, sorry. |
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Sept 7, 2013 12:58:05 GMT -5
OP. looked at your profile. 15, you're right on track, you'll come to your senses in a few years and learn to appreciate and respect what they mean to music. I don't think they are overrated at all, then again I grew up with two parents who are DIE HARD fans, so that helped me gain an appreciation for them from an early age. What the....all respect due for a senior member, but did you read the original post at all? The point I was trying to make is that I respect The Beatles for their massive legacy in music. They're arguably the greatest band of all-time. They're timeless. 50-60 years from now, you're still going to hear "Help!" or "Hey Jude" on radio stations. But I can't get into their music and I wonder why people talk about them like they're Jesus multiplied four times. Some of their success, like Mike said, was due to being in the right place at the right time. I'm not a stereotypical, misinformed 15-year-old that only listens to what's on the Billboard Hot 100 charts. I know Buddy Holly was the progenitor of the standard rock band, and deserves more credit for popularizing rock n' roll than Elvis does. I think Run-DMC is the greatest rap group of all-time, based on their influence and impact on the genre alone. I've been a fan of AC/DC, Metallica, and Motorhead since I was in the fifth grade. Today's pop couldn't hold a candle to what Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna did in the 1980s. Where did you get the idea that I don't appreciate or respect The Beatles? I don't have to like them like certain people will want me to, but who am I to be discounting their influence/impact? |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 12:58:53 GMT -5
Well the title of your thread asks if the Beatles are overrated. That comment wasn't directed towards you, I was just stating that in general. Oh, sorry. It's all good.  |
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Post by noir on Sept 7, 2013 13:07:15 GMT -5
They are a POP band and should be judged that way. They paved the way for many greats that came after them, and they made songs that were memorable and sold a ton but I wouldn't really rate them artistically. Their lyrics are very pretty simplistic for the most part (and the stuff that isn't is more or less the product of way too much LSD, I believe that was the entire point of the song "I am the Walrus"). Their sound is just very 'poppy'.
They were amazing at what they did, but I think when you hear people calling them the 'greatest of all time', there's plenty of room for debate. I'd place them in the same category as an artist like Michael Jackson. Nothing deep, just universally accessible pop.
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Post by Wicked on Sept 7, 2013 13:08:44 GMT -5
No I think they are rated exactly right. I totally agree with you. I have always listened to there music. |
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Post by MacReady on Sept 7, 2013 13:13:36 GMT -5
OP. looked at your profile. 15, you're right on track, you'll come to your senses in a few years and learn to appreciate and respect what they mean to music. I don't think they are overrated at all, then again I grew up with two parents who are DIE HARD fans, so that helped me gain an appreciation for them from an early age. What the....all respect due for a senior member, but did you read the original post at all? The point I was trying to make is that I respect The Beatles for their massive legacy in music. They're arguably the greatest band of all-time. They're timeless. 50-60 years from now, you're still going to hear "Help!" or "Hey Jude" on radio stations. But I can't get into their music and I wonder why people talk about them like they're Jesus multiplied four times. Some of their success, like Mike said, was due to being in the right place at the right time. I'm not a stereotypical, misinformed 15-year-old that only listens to what's on the Billboard Hot 100 charts. I know Buddy Holly was the progenitor of the standard rock band, and deserves more credit for popularizing rock n' roll than Elvis does. I think Run-DMC is the greatest rap group of all-time, based on their influence and impact on the genre alone. I've been a fan of AC/DC, Metallica, and Motorhead since I was in the fifth grade. Today's pop couldn't hold a candle to what Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna did in the 1980s. Where did you get the idea that I don't appreciate or respect The Beatles? I don't have to like them like certain people will want me to, but who am I to be discounting their influence/impact? No no, I don't mean it negatively against you, and I'm not knocking your age and I do apologize if it came across that way. I'm just saying, and it's not an attack on you or your generation, that at that age, it's the way it usually goes. I remember being told by other kids my age when I was14,15,16 that I had horrible taste in music because I listened to The Beatles. If I go to those same kids Facebook pages now, you'd better believe The Beatles are listed under favorite artists for them. It's a rite of passage, perhaps I shouldn't have said "come to your senses" but I'd love to see where you stand on the issue in 3-5 years time. You may respect what they've done for music now, but who knows, in 5 years you could be looking back thinking "how did I ever think they were overrated?" Either way, it's all subjective. |
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Sept 7, 2013 13:41:05 GMT -5
What the....all respect due for a senior member, but did you read the original post at all? The point I was trying to make is that I respect The Beatles for their massive legacy in music. They're arguably the greatest band of all-time. They're timeless. 50-60 years from now, you're still going to hear "Help!" or "Hey Jude" on radio stations. But I can't get into their music and I wonder why people talk about them like they're Jesus multiplied four times. Some of their success, like Mike said, was due to being in the right place at the right time. I'm not a stereotypical, misinformed 15-year-old that only listens to what's on the Billboard Hot 100 charts. I know Buddy Holly was the progenitor of the standard rock band, and deserves more credit for popularizing rock n' roll than Elvis does. I think Run-DMC is the greatest rap group of all-time, based on their influence and impact on the genre alone. I've been a fan of AC/DC, Metallica, and Motorhead since I was in the fifth grade. Today's pop couldn't hold a candle to what Michael Jackson, Prince, and Madonna did in the 1980s. Where did you get the idea that I don't appreciate or respect The Beatles? I don't have to like them like certain people will want me to, but who am I to be discounting their influence/impact? No no, I don't mean it negatively against you, and I'm not knocking your age and I do apologize if it came across that way. I'm just saying, and it's not an attack on you or your generation, that at that age, it's the way it usually goes. I remember being told by other kids my age when I was14,15,16 that I had horrible taste in music because I listened to The Beatles. If I go to those same kids Facebook pages now, you'd better believe The Beatles are listed under favorite artists for them. It's a rite of passage, perhaps I shouldn't have said "come to your senses" but I'd love to see where you stand on the issue in 3-5 years time. You may respect what they've done for music now, but who knows, in 5 years you could be looking back thinking "how did I ever think they were overrated?" Either way, it's all subjective. Well, thank you so much for the clarification. And it does come down to rite of passage sometimes. I know this kid named Julio who's a fan of A Tribe Called Quest, and he said he didn't understand what Run-DMC changed in hip-hop. It baffled me because how can you listen to possibly the most important hip-hop group of the 1990s, and not try to trace the pieces together to find where that style came from? It's frustrating sometimes how people don't give them enough credit. |
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Post by Dat guy ova der on Sept 7, 2013 13:57:45 GMT -5
I certainly wouldn't call them the most talented, the most thought-provoking, my favorite, the best sounding, or the most amazing band ever, but put on anything from Rubber Soul to Let It Be (Adding in several songs from before Rubber Soul and taking out Yellow Submarine [which to be fair they actually had little to do with that album]) and I will gladly sing along and listen.
Their influence is absolutely undeniable, and I really enjoy a vast majority of their music. I don't believe that they are over-hyped or overrated or whatever term you want to use to describe it. Their legacy is evidence enough for me that they weren't just a flash-in-the pan, or less than what they were made out to be. No real pop stars/bands that I can think of that have come around and been labeled as the next big thing, or the "next Beatles" since them have held the kind of legacy and popularity that they have. Elvis and Michael Jackson are the only ones that have come close from what I've experienced, and Elvis isn't nearly as popular now as he was even 10 years ago, and once the frenzy that came about after MJ's death went away, even his popularity has been on a slow decline. I can still walk into almost any store that sells posters or music collectibles and buy merchandise for a band that hasn't been together/released a new studio album in 43 years... I think that says something.
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 7, 2013 18:18:22 GMT -5
They weren't until Rock Band came out.
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