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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Sept 17, 2013 19:04:48 GMT -5
I think its fine. Great figure actually. Of all the existing torsos this one fits best.. it isn't ripped but has that saggy/ripped look. Just as jbl had in the past. Look at the saggy rippedness!
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Post by Richikane on Sept 17, 2013 19:31:19 GMT -5
They didn't really have any other options. Hes about as basic of a figure as the come. Even Stone Cold is less generic. I don't think Mattel is going cheap on anything lately. Sure Cactus should have had a flannel but its not a huge deal, still a great figure with fantastic accessories.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 20:21:20 GMT -5
Wait, what the hell is wrong with Brock? Made up shirt which is still missing a nose, tiny hands, wrong knee pads, reused headscan from a decade after the figure represents, and the fact that its just a plain figure in black trunks which doesn't warrant a price tag that's 50% higher than a standard figure.
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Post by SGguy on Sept 17, 2013 20:35:45 GMT -5
I believe the figure is meant to be displayed with all accessories on, just like the E23 Undertaker face looks better with the mask on.
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Post by inkboy83 on Sept 17, 2013 20:38:59 GMT -5
This reminds me of WWE character models in the video games even guys like JAke the Snake have rippin' 6 pack abs.
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Post by Rob7274 on Sept 17, 2013 21:14:11 GMT -5
The torso is a joke, when was JBL ever that ripped? its not even close, JBL always had a pudgy belly and was overweight and im also disappointed the face scan didnt include his annoying grin/smile. These are also the Wade Barrett legs if im not mistaken which are hard to straighten and look crooked (the left leg if i recall correctly). His jacket and towel is cool but i think its a poor cheap figure by Mattel. Just like the RSE Cactus, hardcore Kane and the soon to come Brock, for the most part i love Mattels figs but they have gotten very cheaply made lately ive noticed. I actually agree with you. Mattel seem to have made some cost cutting measures that really hurt what should be some of there best figures. I haven't read replays yet but I bet many disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 21:21:03 GMT -5
A lot of people are drinking some Mattel Kool-Aid super hard here I've noticed. It's okay to criticize the product. What's "best for business" isn't what's best for the customer, but so many here don't seem to really give a shit. It's mind-boggling that so many posters here are so happy and content with the bare minimum.
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Post by savagepoffo on Sept 18, 2013 1:38:49 GMT -5
Tough Crowd ...........
But hey Mattel I think it's a fantastic figure.......keep those flashbacks coming!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 1:41:08 GMT -5
im still awaiting the RSC backorder of e23. but i know JBL's torso will annoy me. Not sure why they did that. My only guess is that the hat/towel/jacket/head was expensive......so they had to save money by just slapping it all onto an elite 11 Wade Barrett figure lol it reminds me off Volkoff. Worst body on a fig ever lol
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Post by slappy on Sept 18, 2013 3:46:53 GMT -5
If it was too expensive to create the right body for him then they should have waited until a regular line and put him in that instead of the mainly Flashback set. At least they could have used the Regal torso as to not make it look like they had a huge pile of unfinished Wade Barretts they needed to get rid of so they just stuck his head on them.
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Post by Richikane on Sept 18, 2013 3:58:29 GMT -5
A lot of people are drinking some Mattel Kool-Aid super hard here I've noticed. It's okay to criticize the product. What's "best for business" isn't what's best for the customer, but so many here don't seem to really give a crap. It's mind-boggling that so many posters here are so happy and content with the bare minimum. After collecting Jakks for 10 years I have yet to find something to complain about on a Mattel figure.
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Post by PJ on Sept 18, 2013 7:50:46 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Cactus or Brock that would make them poor or bad figures. Sure Brock's hands are small, but that is so minor it's nothing.
As for JBL I think the Volkoff torso with the larger shoulders would have worked for him. But worse than the torso is he needs a larger lower body. That waist and legs they gave him are too thin.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 18, 2013 9:15:05 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Cactus or Brock that would make them poor or bad figures. Sure B rock's hands are small, but that is so minor it's nothing. As for JBL I think the Volkoff torso with the larger shoulders would have worked for him. But worse than the torso is he needs a larger lower body. That waist and legs they gave him are too thin. I'll have to respectfully disagree PJ - there's a LOT wrong with that Brock RSC Exclusive, from the tiny hands to the silver studs on his boots which he never had, to the wrong-style knee pads (where's the leg sleeves of doom that's more appropriate MDT?!), to the face-scan being too modern, to his make-believe shirt. With all that said, I'm buying him for the belt alone and reselling everything else because that belt is going to be insanely priced on the secondary market. It's a poor exclusive when compared to the other RSC Exclusives we've had before. JBL unfortunately is another one of Mattel's misses too. He's a tubby large dude and they just don't have the inventory of parts to support this figure. Not to mention the face-sculpt is terrible, but nothing a Jakks JBL head can't fix.
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Post by PJ on Sept 18, 2013 11:07:53 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Cactus or Brock that would make them poor or bad figures. Sure B rock's hands are small, but that is so minor it's nothing. As for JBL I think the Volkoff torso with the larger shoulders would have worked for him. But worse than the torso is he needs a larger lower body. That waist and legs they gave him are too thin. I'll have to respectfully disagree PJ - there's a LOT wrong with that Brock RSC Exclusive, from the tiny hands to the silver studs on his boots which he never had, to the wrong-style knee pads (where's the leg sleeves of doom that's more appropriate MDT?!), to the face-scan being too modern, to his make-believe shirt. With all that said, I'm buying him for the belt alone and reselling everything else because that belt is going to be insanely priced on the secondary market. It's a poor exclusive when compared to the other RSC Exclusives we've had before. JBL unfortunately is another one of Mattel's misses too. He's a tubby large dude and they just don't have the inventory of parts to support this figure. Not to mention the face-sculpt is terrible, but nothing a Jakks JBL head can't fix. I have to disagree with you. Scan wise Brock always looked like an old man so I think his modern scans still work for a younger Brock (As long as it's the one with the shaved sides) With the boots - There's a few pics on obsessed with wrestling where you can clearly see he had silver studs on his boots. One pic is in the Gallery pg 2 with Heyman and the other is the last gallery with Angle. www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/brocklesnar/09.jpgwww.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/brocklesnar/29.jpgAs for the shirt while I have seen the front design, but the back has had writting on it saying something about "The next Big thing" gimmick. So I will give you the back of the shirt is wrong, but that's a non issue to me because he wouldn't be wearing the shirt in my display and if he was you wouldn't see the back. And knee pads I think his were more of something in between the pads they gave him and the leg sleeves. But I'd much rather have what they gave him over the leg sleeves. Of course I was never a Brock fan even back then, but I do like the figure and will be getting it.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Sept 18, 2013 11:24:17 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Cactus or Brock that would make them poor or bad figures. Sure Brock's hands are small, but that is so minor it's nothing. As for JBL I think the Volkoff torso with the larger shoulders would have worked for him. But worse than the torso is he needs a larger lower body. That waist and legs they gave him are too thin. Im going to strongly disagree with you here. First off with so many people backing Mattel up saying its "good business" well err...hang on a second im paying ÂŁ16.99 per elite, thats a crap load of money for a plastic figure, i expect my moneys worth, secondly if your going to talk business lets mention just how much Mattels profits have went through the roof over the last year in revenue. These elites are expensive, we arent getting our moneys worth i can tell you that now. On to the figures at hand, Brock just didnt do anything for me theres plenty of better FB RSE they could have done, a FB Brock is quite boring and plain and why the rubber vest? can they not atleast give us a cloth vest for an exclusive? Theres nothing newly tooled from RSC Hardcore Kane either, hardcore belt was rubbish and inaccurate as well i might add, how many Kanes have they gave us? its cheap because they dont need to make a new figure. On to Cactus, again no cloth vest yet its an exclusive for collectors, no red and black checkered shirt, no barbwire 2x4, and the rubber vest isnt even removable and it covers the letters down the side of Cactus' pants. Now dont say there is nothing wrong with these exclusives that dont make them poor or cheap when there clearly is. We the collectors are paying very expensive money for these figures, these are Elites not basics, we demand the best so stop getting on the Mattel corporate band wagon. Im sick to death of people saying its "good business" for Mattel...since when where we business people? I rest my case!
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Post by East Coast on Sept 18, 2013 11:28:54 GMT -5
the only things that bother me about the RSC Brock:
the head. I would prefer a new younger looking head w/ the hair more blonde
the creepy small hands.
the shirt. I don't like that its a mish-mash of 2 different shirt designs. But my real annoyance is that its the same style shirt as his current figure. I admittedly didn't really watch wrestling back when Brock debuted. But all the pics i've seen suggest the he wore regular tshirts.
and WHERE ARE HIS TRACK PANTS!
also i still think Hardcore Kane is one of the worst Mattel figs. And im still not impressed w/ Cactus (dull expression, weird hair curl in front, rubber shirt, skinny torso, skinny legs, torso molded in black)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 11:42:00 GMT -5
A lot of people are drinking some Mattel Kool-Aid super hard here I've noticed. It's okay to criticize the product. What's "best for business" isn't what's best for the customer, but so many here don't seem to really give a crap. It's mind-boggling that so many posters here are so happy and content with the bare minimum. After collecting Jakks for 10 years I have yet to find something to complain about on a Mattel figure. Just because Jakks sucked doesn't mean you should overlook the same mistakes being made by a different company.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 18, 2013 12:13:03 GMT -5
Wrong parts choice on JBL for sure but no idea where you get "cheaply made" from. And there's nothing at all wrong with the Cactus Jack figure apart from the beard being too thick on the sides, don't know where you get "cheaply made" from there either.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 18, 2013 12:15:27 GMT -5
I'll have to respectfully disagree PJ - there's a LOT wrong with that Brock RSC Exclusive, from the tiny hands to the silver studs on his boots which he never had Whoops
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Post by PJ on Sept 18, 2013 13:02:19 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Cactus or Brock that would make them poor or bad figures. Sure Brock's hands are small, but that is so minor it's nothing. As for JBL I think the Volkoff torso with the larger shoulders would have worked for him. But worse than the torso is he needs a larger lower body. That waist and legs they gave him are too thin. Im going to strongly disagree with you here. First off with so many people backing Mattel up saying its "good business" well err...hang on a second im paying ÂŁ16.99 per elite, thats a crap load of money for a plastic figure, i expect my moneys worth, secondly if your going to talk business lets mention just how much Mattels profits have went through the roof over the last year in revenue. These elites are expensive, we arent getting our moneys worth i can tell you that now. On to the figures at hand, Brock just didnt do anything for me theres plenty of better FB RSE they could have done, a FB Brock is quite boring and plain and why the rubber vest? can they not atleast give us a cloth vest for an exclusive? Theres nothing newly tooled from RSC Hardcore Kane either, hardcore belt was rubbish and inaccurate as well i might add, how many Kanes have they gave us? its cheap because they dont need to make a new figure. On to Cactus, again no cloth vest yet its an exclusive for collectors, no red and black checkered shirt, no barbwire 2x4, and the rubber vest isnt even removable and it covers the letters down the side of Cactus' pants. Now dont say there is nothing wrong with these exclusives that dont make them poor or cheap when there clearly is. We the collectors are paying very expensive money for these figures, these are Elites not basics, we demand the best so stop getting on the Mattel corporate band wagon. Im sick to death of people saying its "good business" for Mattel...since when where we business people? I rest my case! Sorry I don't agree. With the exception of JBL which I agree is all together wrong. These are all are all RSC exclusives that they asked for. So they have a shorter production run and budget for production cost. I won't talk about Kane because I passed on it. As far as Cactus goes the figure is damn near perfect. The plastic shirt shouldn't come off. Why should it? Who cares that it covers part of his lettering? I am pretty sure his shirt did in real life as well. They said the WWE said no to a barbed wire 2x4 or bat...so it isn't coming. Jakks made it because the WWE wasn't PG then. They are now so it's never going to happen. sure the red flannel shirt would have put it over the top. Did I give mine both? Yes, but neither were needed to justify purchasing a great figure. Yes, Cactus IS a great figure. Probably their best exclusive to date. Brock with the exception of the small hands is how I remember him. To me he always looked old so I have no issue with the scan. Yes he did have silver studs on his boots so that works and I am getting the title. I could care less about a shirt or track pants, because that is stuff I would never use on the figure anyway. So the fact that they are exclusives I know they will cost more, because it costs more for a limited production run. Did I think Cactus and Brock were worth the price? Yes. Did I feel JBL was worth the retail price? No. that's why I passed on him. Had he had a fatter torso like Volkoff's or HTM's and thicker legs I would have, but he didn't so I passed.
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