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Post by East Coast on Sept 18, 2013 13:09:18 GMT -5
I'll have to respectfully disagree PJ - there's a LOT wrong with that Brock RSC Exclusive, from the tiny hands to the silver studs on his boots which he never had Whoops Ortons face tho
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 18, 2013 13:55:49 GMT -5
okay I stand corrected about the studs on Brock's boots. Still think MDT copped out on this figure. But the belt is fabulous and it's the one thing that sold me on getting him. I'm more than willing to resell the rest of the figure, package and all AND include the Eddie Guerrero-version of that belt.
But to get back to the topic of JBL, yeah that figure is as wrong as wrong can be.
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Post by micco on Sept 19, 2013 8:03:50 GMT -5
The problem is that none of the torsos they currently have molded work that well for JBL. I think the Hillbilly Jim and Funk torsos are too small, and Hacksaw and Tensai are too fat. They would've had to do a new torso mold for him, which they weren't going to do when they already had to spend money on the towel and jacket. Wouldn't you still pick any of those molds over the one the chose with a fully defined six pack though. I know I would.
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Post by PJ on Sept 19, 2013 8:27:54 GMT -5
I'd have given him either the Volkoff or the HTM torsos with the larger shoulders and arms. This way he'd have been overweight and look bigger with the broader shoulders & arms. Although I'm not sure which legs I'd have used. Maybe Smash's
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Post by qdogg on Sept 19, 2013 11:13:02 GMT -5
It a alright figure, certainly my least favorite of the Elite 23 flashbacks. I was really hoping for a shiny WWE belt, similar to RSC's Lesnar with this figure but we wouldnt of got the coat if they did that.
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Post by East Coast on Sept 19, 2013 12:12:58 GMT -5
Cactus Jack?? The BEST rsc exclusive? no no no
The jakks version looks better. I think cactus is one of the worst exclusives.
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Post by PJ on Sept 19, 2013 12:27:42 GMT -5
Even if you think Jakks is better...that doesn't matter. The two lines don't mix so it's apples and oranges. Also those 2 (IE & CS19) are probably Jakks best CS figure. But I have 4 Jakks versions of Cactus already (IE, CS19, CS 3-Pack & the Famous Scenes) So I really don't want another tongue out "bang bang" hands figure. It's been done twice already. I like that Mattel's is different than the Jakks IE & CS19. And there's no doubt about it Mattel's blows the 3-pack and FS versions out of the water.
The Mattel one is by far Mattel's best exclusive followed by the Pink & Black Attack Hitman. And I'd say it's one of Mattel's best figures.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 19, 2013 13:35:22 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with Cactus or Brock that would make them poor or bad figures. Sure Brock's hands are small, but that is so minor it's nothing. As for JBL I think the Volkoff torso with the larger shoulders would have worked for him. But worse than the torso is he needs a larger lower body. That waist and legs they gave him are too thin. Im going to strongly disagree with you here. First off with so many people backing Mattel up saying its "good business" well err...hang on a second im paying £16.99 per elite, thats a crap load of money for a plastic figure, i expect my moneys worth, secondly if your going to talk business lets mention just how much Mattels profits have went through the roof over the last year in revenue. These elites are expensive, we arent getting our moneys worth i can tell you that now. On to the figures at hand, Brock just didnt do anything for me theres plenty of better FB RSE they could have done, a FB Brock is quite boring and plain and why the rubber vest? can they not atleast give us a cloth vest for an exclusive? Theres nothing newly tooled from RSC Hardcore Kane either, hardcore belt was rubbish and inaccurate as well i might add, how many Kanes have they gave us? its cheap because they dont need to make a new figure. On to Cactus, again no cloth vest yet its an exclusive for collectors, no red and black checkered shirt, no barbwire 2x4, and the rubber vest isnt even removable and it covers the letters down the side of Cactus' pants. Now dont say there is nothing wrong with these exclusives that dont make them poor or cheap when there clearly is. We the collectors are paying very expensive money for these figures, these are Elites not basics, we demand the best so stop getting on the Mattel corporate band wagon. Im sick to death of people saying its "good business" for Mattel...since when where we business people? I rest my case! Again, people don't seem to understand that the RSC Exclusive Cactus Jack was based on his Royal Rumble 2000 match against Triple H for the WWF Title. He DID NOT wear a flannel shirt that night. Also, his t-shirt did cover the top lettering on the side of his tights when he was Cactus Jack and Dude Love. And, BTW, why exactly would you need his shirt to be removable? I mean, some of you guys in this thread are REALLY being overly critical. Cactus and Brock are two of the best exclusives so far.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 19, 2013 14:03:58 GMT -5
A nd, BTW, why exactly would you need his shirt to be removable?umm hello? TOPLESS MICK FOLEY!!!! I have no probs with the Cactus Jack exclusive really, but they could have put a little more effort into the Brock, unless the belt took up all the budget.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Sept 19, 2013 14:19:06 GMT -5
Ideally, a Mattel Cactus Jack would've had cloth flannel, Bang! Bang! hands and a head sculpt rivaling Jakks best work. The RSC exclusive didn't quite live up to that, and since Flashbacks only come along so often, I understand why some people were disappointed.
I don't think it's people being overly critical; it's just that they know Mattel is capable of better work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:22:47 GMT -5
A nd, BTW, why exactly would you need his shirt to be removable?umm hello? TOPLESS MICK FOLEY!!!! I have no probs with the Cactus Jack exclusive really, but they could have put a little more effort into the Brock, unless the belt took up all the budget. Swap the hands out for big shows maybe or someone bigger
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Post by East Coast on Sept 19, 2013 14:36:39 GMT -5
i still think the Cactus head looks weird. Thick beard. Expressionless face. The odd thick hair curl in the front
plus legs/torso that are too small. The rubber shirt hinders articulation.....and makes the logo easier to ruin. Mine already has a scratch thru the shirt logo.
Not to mention the shirt logo on mine was stamped on the shirt off center. Also, i don't like that they molded the torso in black. That doesn't even make sense
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Sept 19, 2013 15:21:00 GMT -5
Im going to strongly disagree with you here. First off with so many people backing Mattel up saying its "good business" well err...hang on a second im paying £16.99 per elite, thats a crap load of money for a plastic figure, i expect my moneys worth, secondly if your going to talk business lets mention just how much Mattels profits have went through the roof over the last year in revenue. These elites are expensive, we arent getting our moneys worth i can tell you that now. On to the figures at hand, Brock just didnt do anything for me theres plenty of better FB RSE they could have done, a FB Brock is quite boring and plain and why the rubber vest? can they not atleast give us a cloth vest for an exclusive? Theres nothing newly tooled from RSC Hardcore Kane either, hardcore belt was rubbish and inaccurate as well i might add, how many Kanes have they gave us? its cheap because they dont need to make a new figure. On to Cactus, again no cloth vest yet its an exclusive for collectors, no red and black checkered shirt, no barbwire 2x4, and the rubber vest isnt even removable and it covers the letters down the side of Cactus' pants. Now dont say there is nothing wrong with these exclusives that dont make them poor or cheap when there clearly is. We the collectors are paying very expensive money for these figures, these are Elites not basics, we demand the best so stop getting on the Mattel corporate band wagon. Im sick to death of people saying its "good business" for Mattel...since when where we business people? I rest my case! Again, people don't seem to understand that the RSC Exclusive Cactus Jack was based on his Royal Rumble 2000 match against Triple H for the WWF Title. He DID NOT wear a flannel shirt that night. Also, his t-shirt did cover the top lettering on the side of his tights when he was Cactus Jack and Dude Love. And, BTW, why exactly would you need his shirt to be removable? I mean, some of you guys in this thread are REALLY being overly critical. Cactus and Brock are two of the best exclusives so far. I dont think its too much to ask for a removable shirt. Also his figure may well have been from his rumble match but when you think of cactus in wwe i always remember him with the flannel red and black shirt as do many people here. A stop sign and steel steps are cheap accessories, when they could have included cloth shirts instead. My beef isnt so much with Cactus i just feel the exclusives mattel are giving us are too many repeat characters of wrestlers we already have. Exclusives are for collectors, yes? lets give us more rare figures rather than more kanes etc, thats what i meant by "cheap" the same old figures over and over. We had a DM Bret...who really wanted a "pink and black" attire so soon? why not a character they havent done? why? because its cheap! And at a price these exclusives go for more than retail by the way, ill be as critical as i like.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 19, 2013 15:54:19 GMT -5
Again, people don't seem to understand that the RSC Exclusive Cactus Jack was based on his Royal Rumble 2000 match against Triple H for the WWF Title. He DID NOT wear a flannel shirt that night. Also, his t-shirt did cover the top lettering on the side of his tights when he was Cactus Jack and Dude Love. And, BTW, why exactly would you need his shirt to be removable? I mean, some of you guys in this thread are REALLY being overly critical. Cactus and Brock are two of the best exclusives so far. I dont think its too much to ask for a removable shirt. Also his figure may well have been from his rumble match but when you think of cactus in wwe i always remember him with the flannel red and black shirt as do many people here. A stop sign and steel steps are cheap accessories, when they could have included cloth shirts instead. My beef isnt so much with Cactus i just feel the exclusives mattel are giving us are too many repeat characters of wrestlers we already have. Exclusives are for collectors, yes? lets give us more rare figures rather than more kanes etc, thats what i meant by "cheap" the same old figures over and over. We had a DM Bret...who really wanted a "pink and black" attire so soon? why not a character they havent done? why? because its cheap! And at a price these exclusives go for more than retail by the way, ill be as critical as i like. It doesn't financially make sense to do exclusives of guys who haven't been released in the main line yet. Why would Mattel limit themselves to doing an online exclusive of, say, Paul Bearer or somebody when it would sell way more if it was released in mass retail? Alternate attires/gimmicks of guys who have already been released are always going to be the most likely exclusives, and it's really not just Mattel that does that. If you look at companies like McFarlane they'll put out online exclusives of alternate uniforms of figures from their Sportspicks line. Would a cloth flannel have been nice? Of course. But when the figure is already over $30 with shipping, I really would have no interest in spending an extra five or ten bucks for something like that.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 19, 2013 16:19:06 GMT -5
On to Cactus, again no cloth vest yet its an exclusive for collectors, no red and black checkered shirt, He didn't wear one at Royal Rumble 2000. Not allowed. Why on earth would it be removable? And why would you even want it to be? Cactus Jack didn't wrestle topless. Not in Cactus' case. Try again. I dont think its too much to ask for a removable shirt. I think it's very creepy to want a removable shirt on Cactus Jack. What would be the purpose of removing it?
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Post by smearone1994 on Sept 20, 2013 11:41:27 GMT -5
I tried fixing my jbl figure with a bigger torso however i dont know if it helped it? Ur thoughts?
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Post by Rob7274 on Sept 20, 2013 11:50:40 GMT -5
My main problem with the JBL is the small, skinny, emotionless, washed out head. It's like the heads they started with....remember the 1st Orton, Cena heads.
If MDT are making a Flashback I want them to make sure it's top quality as it could be the only 1 we get (of that particular person).
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Sept 20, 2013 12:52:29 GMT -5
On to Cactus, again no cloth vest yet its an exclusive for collectors, no red and black checkered shirt, He didn't wear one at Royal Rumble 2000. Not allowed. Why on earth would it be removable? And why would you even want it to be? Cactus Jack didn't wrestle topless. Not in Cactus' case. Try again. I dont think its too much to ask for a removable shirt. I think it's very creepy to want a removable shirt on Cactus Jack. What would be the purpose of removing it? I accept i went over the top with cactus (still disappointed in it though) but the main point was the exclusives being "cheap". Heres a glance for you. See if you can spot any new characters that werent previously released. Forgetting regardless if you wanted these figures in their specific attire, thats not the point, my point is there isnt a single wrestler on that list that hasnt been previously released. I think you will find that this equates to "cheap". Cost effective and nothing to loose for mattel since they are over priced anyway (exclusives being more expensive than retail) Good business from mattels stand point but again thats not my point, my point is that you cant argue with the fact that its a cheap method of production. Look at the list i mentioned below and see for yourself. I mean not one single unique wrestler? Why do you think that is? Pink and Black Bret SES Punk 2003 Kane Hardcore Kane Cactus Brock King Macho Austin Flash Rey NWO Man The icing on the cake is Rey lol. Cool figure but really....another mysterio? I mean hes obviously such a catch at retail, why even bother with the exclusive, just throw him out at retail with the other 250 mysterios.
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 20, 2013 12:52:48 GMT -5
The exclusives are great. Austin has one of the best figure head scans of any figure. Punk and the first Kane are awesome. Bret is too. It's just the fact that they are stand outs from the line. Lesnar and Hardcore Kane could easily be in the standard Elite line but it wouldn't have fancy writing on the box, that would literally be it.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Sept 20, 2013 13:17:35 GMT -5
smearone1994 I think JBL looks great with the Austin torso! I'd say it's the best option out of the existing parts library. It's flattering to JBL's physique. It's beefy, but it's not ridiculously cut like the original Barrett torso, too lean like the Jake Roberts torso or too large like Hillbilly Jim's .
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