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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 6, 2013 19:23:28 GMT -5
I think we had a thread about this awhile ago,but I'm not certain...
anyway,what do you think about this press conference?
Hogan basically calls the WWF World Championship a "toy,trinket" compared to the IWGP Championship,which he pretty much says he covets more,cause it will get him better competition. way to just piss all over the WWF and Vince! I bet McMahon was SO glad he brought him back to reclaim the Belt after seeing this!!
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Post by Punk on Oct 6, 2013 19:29:28 GMT -5
...And then The Rock won it, and then John Cena won it, then the best wrestler in the world held it for 4 minutes and here we are.
Hogan was right.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 6, 2013 20:15:19 GMT -5
Yeah this was posted a while back.
This just proves how much an a** Hogan really is. The guy is in it for the money and nothing else. After leaving the WWF following WM8 (where he gave us a BS main event with Sid) to avoid the sex and steroid scandals, Vince brought the guy back into the company and even buried his two new starts (Bret and Yoko) so that Hogan could take the spotlight again. He then went over to Japan and trashes Vince's title. Just one of the many, many instances of Hogan going into business for himself and nothing else. He could give two craps about the fans or his employers. As long as he is benefitting he doesn't care who or what suffers in the process. Currently we are watching TNA suffer the same fate that WCW did because of Hogan's BS.
I still have no clue why the IWC bashes Rocky when the guy legitimately cares about the business, has put over everyone he was asked too, and came back for the fans yet Hogan doesn't get nearly the amount of hate that Rocky does (Hogan gets bashed but its nothing compared to the ridiculousness of the Rocky hate).
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Post by Punk on Oct 6, 2013 20:20:30 GMT -5
Yeah this was posted a while back. This just proves how much an a** Hogan really is. The guy is in it for the money and nothing else. After leaving the WWF following WM8 (where he gave us a BS main event with Sid) to avoid the sex and steroid scandals, Vince brought the guy back into the company and even buried his two new starts (Bret and Yoko) so that Hogan could take the spotlight again. He then went over to Japan and trashes Vince's title. Just one of the many, many instances of Hogan going into business for himself and nothing else. He could give two craps about the fans or his employers. As long as he is benefitting he doesn't care who or what suffers in the process. Currently we are watching TNA suffer the same fate that WCW did because of Hogan's BS. I still have no clue why the IWC bashes Rocky when the guy legitimately cares about the business, has put over everyone he was asked too, and came back for the fans yet Hogan doesn't get nearly the amount of hate that Rocky does (Hogan gets bashed but its nothing compared to the ridiculousness of the Rocky hate). Hogan's last world title was 12 years ago. Rock's last world title was 8 months ago. I'd never defend Hogan vs Rock I just hated seeing all the work Punk put into the title undone in a single blow. Rock returns. Cuts a promo saying his Mum has cancer then wins the title. Goddamn it. |
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Post by Captain McKay on Oct 6, 2013 20:26:55 GMT -5
Yeah this was posted a while back. This just proves how much an a** Hogan really is. The guy is in it for the money and nothing else. After leaving the WWF following WM8 (where he gave us a BS main event with Sid) to avoid the sex and steroid scandals, Vince brought the guy back into the company and even buried his two new starts (Bret and Yoko) so that Hogan could take the spotlight again. He then went over to Japan and trashes Vince's title. Just one of the many, many instances of Hogan going into business for himself and nothing else. He could give two craps about the fans or his employers. As long as he is benefitting he doesn't care who or what suffers in the process. Currently we are watching TNA suffer the same fate that WCW did because of Hogan's BS. I still have no clue why the IWC bashes Rocky when the guy legitimately cares about the business, has put over everyone he was asked too, and came back for the fans yet Hogan doesn't get nearly the amount of hate that Rocky does (Hogan gets bashed but its nothing compared to the ridiculousness of the Rocky hate). Hogan's last world title was 12 years ago. Rock's last world title was 8 months ago. I'd never defend Hogan vs Rock I just hated seeing all the work Punk put into the title undone in a single blow. Rock returns. Cuts a promo saying his Mum has cancer then wins the title. Goddamn it. Would you rather Punk drop the title to Cena at WM? Because that's probably how it would have happened. Plus, as a result of Punk NOT being champ, we got Undertaker/Punk at WM. Which I think we can agree was worth it. Rock winning the title in 2013 WAS pointless as far as him representing the WWE championship, but it basically served to set up Cena re-gaining the title after a year-long downward spiral where he knew he needed to beat Rock. And it also made it possible to have Punk against Undertaker in the match of the night, IMO. It was win/win. |
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Post by Punk on Oct 6, 2013 20:29:07 GMT -5
Hogan's last world title was 12 years ago. Rock's last world title was 8 months ago. I'd never defend Hogan vs Rock I just hated seeing all the work Punk put into the title undone in a single blow. Rock returns. Cuts a promo saying his Mum has cancer then wins the title. Goddamn it. Would you rather Punk drop the title to Cena at WM? Because that's probably how it would have happened. Plus, as a result of Punk NOT being champ, we got Undertaker/Punk at WM. Which I think we can agree was worth it. Rock winning the title in 2013 WAS pointless as far as him representing the WWE championship, but it basically served to set up Cena re-gaining the title after a year-long downward spiral where he knew he needed to beat Rock. And it also made it possible to have Punk against Undertaker in the match of the night, IMO. It was win/win. That Taker/Punk thing still sits uncertain with me. Seeing as they basically told Punk he was winning then changed the ending. Guess that's due to Bearer too. The only good thing to happen this year to do with Cena is his current injury imo. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 6, 2013 20:37:43 GMT -5
Yeah this was posted a while back. This just proves how much an a** Hogan really is. The guy is in it for the money and nothing else. After leaving the WWF following WM8 (where he gave us a BS main event with Sid) to avoid the sex and steroid scandals, Vince brought the guy back into the company and even buried his two new starts (Bret and Yoko) so that Hogan could take the spotlight again. He then went over to Japan and trashes Vince's title. Just one of the many, many instances of Hogan going into business for himself and nothing else. He could give two craps about the fans or his employers. As long as he is benefitting he doesn't care who or what suffers in the process. Currently we are watching TNA suffer the same fate that WCW did because of Hogan's BS. I still have no clue why the IWC bashes Rocky when the guy legitimately cares about the business, has put over everyone he was asked too, and came back for the fans yet Hogan doesn't get nearly the amount of hate that Rocky does (Hogan gets bashed but its nothing compared to the ridiculousness of the Rocky hate). Hogan's last world title was 12 years ago. Rock's last world title was 8 months ago. I'd never defend Hogan vs Rock I just hated seeing all the work Punk put into the title undone in a single blow. Rock returns. Cuts a promo saying his Mum has cancer then wins the title. Goddamn it. It's not Rocky's fault that the WWE booked Punk's reign like crap. Punk was being booked as second to Cena throughout his whole reign (which Rocky wasn't around for much of). Punks whole title reign was basically a long transitional reign. He was never in the main event of any PPVs unless he was working with Cena and was booked as a weak heel once they turned him. I don't see how any of that is Rocky's fault. |
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Post by Punk on Oct 6, 2013 20:39:50 GMT -5
Hogan's last world title was 12 years ago. Rock's last world title was 8 months ago. I'd never defend Hogan vs Rock I just hated seeing all the work Punk put into the title undone in a single blow. Rock returns. Cuts a promo saying his Mum has cancer then wins the title. Goddamn it. It's not Rocky's fault that the WWE booked Punk's reign like crap. Punk was being booked as second to Cena throughout his whole reign (which Rocky wasn't around for much of). Punks whole title reign was basically a long transitional reign. He was never in the main event of any PPVs unless he was working with Cena and was booked as a weak heel once they turned him. I don't see how any of that is Rocky's fault. Pretty sure we're discussing different topics. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 6, 2013 20:41:59 GMT -5
It's not Rocky's fault that the WWE booked Punk's reign like crap. Punk was being booked as second to Cena throughout his whole reign (which Rocky wasn't around for much of). Punks whole title reign was basically a long transitional reign. He was never in the main event of any PPVs unless he was working with Cena and was booked as a weak heel once they turned him. I don't see how any of that is Rocky's fault. Pretty sure we're discussing different topics. You said you hated all the work put into Punk's reign was ruined by Rocky taking the title and I simply asked how any of the booking of Punk's reign was Rocky's fault. |
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Post by Punk on Oct 6, 2013 20:44:07 GMT -5
Pretty sure we're discussing different topics. You said you hated all the work put into Punk's reign was ruined by Rocky taking the title and I simply asked how any of the booking of Punk's reign was Rocky's fault. No, I meant that everything that happened to the title since has been degrading. A Movie star defeats the champion - Looses to barney the Dinosaur - Who looses to a legit Wrestler - who looses 4 minutes later - Who retains it - Who looses it the next night. From Four Hundred-  ing-Days-To 5 Minutes in LESS then a year. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 20:50:16 GMT -5
I just found out about this Hogan interview yesterday.
Eff him.
That "toy" is the only reason you became a millionaire and a household name.
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Post by Punk on Oct 6, 2013 20:50:44 GMT -5
No, I meant that everything that happened to the title since has been degrading. A Movie star defeats the champion - Looses to barney the Dinosaur - Who looses to a legit Wrestler - who looses 4 minutes later - Who retains it - Who looses it the next night. From Four Hundred- ing-Days-To 5 Minutes in LESS then a year. Tough crap. Bruno held it for years,then Koloff held for 21 days. It's how business goes. When Bruno held it.. Pretty sure it wasn't completely fake. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 6, 2013 20:52:50 GMT -5
You said you hated all the work put into Punk's reign was ruined by Rocky taking the title and I simply asked how any of the booking of Punk's reign was Rocky's fault. No, I meant that everything that happened to the title since has been degrading. A Movie star defeats the champion - Looses to barney the Dinosaur - Who looses to a legit Wrestler - who looses 4 minutes later - Who retains it - Who looses it the next night. From Four Hundred- ing-Days-To 5 Minutes in LESS then a year. That's WWE booking for yah. I had no problem w/ Rocky winning it and putting over Cena at WM since there was nobody else to take that spot w/ Rocky (boring build and match but it made sense). I loved DB winning it clean against Cena as well. What is annoying is that w/ Cena gone the WWE doesn't trust anyone with a long title reign and are hot-shotting it now which is crap. Apparently the writers think that constant title changes draw viewers... |
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Post by Colter on Oct 6, 2013 20:57:00 GMT -5
Tough crap. Bruno held it for years,then Koloff held for 21 days. It's how business goes. When Bruno held it.. Pretty sure it wasn't completely fake. What do you mean "completely fake"? Wrestling had been scripted even before Bruno held the title. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 6, 2013 22:56:12 GMT -5
While he was 100% true on everything he said, I dont see how people can get all pissy and bitch about this. He's working the crowd. That was what, early/mid 90s? Seriously what's the chances in 1993 that ANYONE outside of those in the room would ever see that footage? Do you really think he stopped and said "Ya know, This is going to come off negative and in 20 years there might be something where people can go back and watch footage of this with just a click of a button....but it, Im Hulk Hogan I can do what I want".....No! He's cutting a promo working the Japanese fans. Exactly what he was suppose to do. Jesus people need to get off his dick already or at least use some lube so you're not so cranky. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 23:00:39 GMT -5
While he was 100% true on everything he said, I dont see how people can get all pissy and bitch about this. He's working the crowd. That was what, early/mid 90s? Seriously what's the chances in 1993 that ANYONE outside of those in the room would ever see that footage? Do you really think he stopped and said "Ya know, This is going to come off negative and in 20 years there might be something where people can go back and watch footage of this with just a click of a button....but it, Im Hulk Hogan I can do what I want".....No! He's cutting a promo working the Japanese fans. Exactly what he was suppose to do. Jesus people need to get off his dick already or at least use some lube so you're not so cranky. I understand your opinion about him working the audience but... Why did he HAVE to trash the WWF title to make a point about wanting the IWGP belt? Couldn't he just say "I have had this WWF Championship 5 times but I want a new challenge and the belt I want next is the IWGP title"? Wouldn't that be better than calling it a toy? |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 6, 2013 23:05:48 GMT -5
While he was 100% true on everything he said, I dont see how people can get all pissy and bitch about this. He's working the crowd. That was what, early/mid 90s? Seriously what's the chances in 1993 that ANYONE outside of those in the room would ever see that footage? Do you really think he stopped and said "Ya know, This is going to come off negative and in 20 years there might be something where people can go back and watch footage of this with just a click of a button....but it, Im Hulk Hogan I can do what I want".....No! He's cutting a promo working the Japanese fans. Exactly what he was suppose to do. Jesus people need to get off his dick already or at least use some lube so you're not so cranky. I understand your opinion about him working the audience but... Why did he HAVE to trash the WWF title to make a point about wanting the IWGP belt? Couldn't he just say "I have had this WWF Championship 5 times but I want a new challenge and the belt I want next is the IWGP title"? Wouldn't that be better than calling it a toy? He did it to prove a point that WWF is "Entertainment" where as NJPW is "Wrestling". Its really not much different then the old territory days when you go into a place and completely put over a guy making him look like a super hero. He just went to another company and completely put New Japan over in front of the Japanese crowd. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 23:06:58 GMT -5
Tough crap. Bruno held it for years,then Koloff held for 21 days. It's how business goes. When Bruno held it.. Pretty sure it wasn't completely fake. Outsider, I've grown to like reading your posts, but two things you said in this thread rubs me the wrong way. 1. You said that the best thing John Cena has done in the last year was get injured. I think that's a crummy thing to say about anyone. Not liking a wrestler for there moveset, character, promos, whatever is great. There are wrestlers that I don't like, but it's never cool to rejoice when a person gets hurt. 2. Known staged wrestling matches date back to George Hackenschmidt and Frank Gotch at the turn of the twentieth century, well over 100 years ago. They became the norm under Ed "Strangler" Lewis and his Gold Dust Trio and their "Slam Bang Western Style Wrestling" that was developed in the 1920's. Bruno didn't drop the title to Koloff until 1971, 50 years after prestaged matches became commonplace. Bruno's entire reign as champion was a work. As far as the video, I really don't hold this against Hogan. He was just pandering to the Japanese audience/promoters. |
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Post by slappy on Oct 6, 2013 23:10:49 GMT -5
Would you rather Punk drop the title to Cena at WM? I wish that would have happened. Punk gets to main event WrestleMania and we get another fantastic Punk/Cena match. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 23:12:58 GMT -5
Would you rather Punk drop the title to Cena at WM? I wish that would have happened. Punk gets to main event WrestleMania and we get another fantastic Punk/Cena match. I keep saying we need to see Punk/Cena as the main event at Wrestlemania for historical purposes, but the anti-Cena IWC get butt hurt over the idea. |
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