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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 20:31:52 GMT -5
Mattel has stated, "video game deals are not figure deals." That's certainly true. They are two different companies. But how is it that a WWE-licenced video game can replicate Hogan, Flair and Razor Ramon but for some reason the action figure line cannot? Is this actually a rule/restriction that WWE has imposed on Mattel, or is Mattel simply scheming out how to present flashbacks and legend over the course of their contract?
The latter makes sense to me. If you give us all the big stars now, the popularity may die down. I just don't understand why it can happen in one aspect and not the other. Any explanation/theory?
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 11, 2013 20:37:23 GMT -5
I don't understand it either
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Post by NikeGuy on Oct 11, 2013 20:39:23 GMT -5
Mattel has stated, " video game deals are not figure deals." That's certainly true. They are two different companies. But how is it that a WWE-licenced video game can replicate Hogan, Flair and Razor Ramon but for some reason the action figure line cannot? Is this actually a rule/restriction that WWE has imposed on Mattel, or is Mattel simply scheming out how to present flashbacks and legend over the course of their contract? The latter makes sense to me. If you give us all the big stars now, the popularity may die down. I just don't understand why it can happen in one aspect and not the other. Any explanation/theory? / Thread
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 20:55:23 GMT -5
I always wondered the same thing
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Post by slappy on Oct 11, 2013 21:01:41 GMT -5
Mattel has stated, " video game deals are not figure deals." That's certainly true. They are two different companies. But how is it that a WWE-licenced video game can replicate Hogan, Flair and Razor Ramon but for some reason the action figure line cannot? Is this actually a rule/restriction that WWE has imposed on Mattel, or is Mattel simply scheming out how to present flashbacks and legend over the course of their contract? The latter makes sense to me. If you give us all the big stars now, the popularity may die down. I just don't understand why it can happen in one aspect and not the other. Any explanation/theory? / Thread That doesn't explain anything. Why can WWE put guys in a video game but not let Mattel make a figure of them? Yeah, they are separate deals but why can't they make a deal to create figures if they are able to be in other merchandise?
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Post by MCUcollector24 on Oct 11, 2013 21:02:56 GMT -5
Different forms of licensing deals. They kinds of things I'm sure are very complicated and beyond what we really imagine them to be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 21:05:12 GMT -5
No clue. Probably because some of the guys in the game are under other toy licensing deals. Could also be just the fact wwe, Mattel, and the superstar can't come to terms on royalties etc.. But I'm completely clueless and would love to hear a valid statement by Mattel with details. I also wonder if RSC has any way of sealing their own deal with the superstar (not under WWE contract) and having Mattel produce it.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 11, 2013 21:06:32 GMT -5
As you said, two different contracts. But in relation to this, they aren't signing people for individual contracts like they did for Savage initially. They're using the deals they have now and are otherwise waiting for WWE to get people signed to their all-inclusive Legends program. If Mattel wanted to go sign Flair independently, they probably could. Their policy changed once Legends didn't take off, though.
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Post by RingsideC2 on Oct 11, 2013 21:12:19 GMT -5
Mattel or 2K Sports can include a Legend in their product if: 1) They have a Legends deal with WWE 2) They independently sign the Legend to a licensing deal
2K has a huge budget to sign talent because the WWE games sell over 2 million copies.
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Post by qdogg on Oct 11, 2013 21:15:43 GMT -5
Mattel has said they would do alot of those guys like Hogan, Flair etc immediately if they could. I dont think they would wait on any major star just to keep the line going. They are going to get all the sales they can and cant risk waiting on a guy and then being told they cant use him anymore or losing the license before doing guys that could make some good cash. Alot of those guys could get multiple figures over several years like Savage.
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Post by NikeGuy on Oct 11, 2013 21:29:24 GMT -5
That doesn't explain anything. Why can WWE put guys in a video game but not let Mattel make a figure of them? Yeah, they are separate deals but why can't they make a deal to create figures if they are able to be in other merchandise? Mattel has said in the past they are NOT pursuing individual contracts with WWE Legends/Superstars. 2K most likely HAS pursued & obtained individual contracts with Legends/Superstars that ARE NOT on current legends deals with the WWE (Edge, Scott Hall, ETC) So basically if a past (non active) Superstar does NOT have a current Legends Mattel will not spend the extra time & money getting the rights to produce figures of Him/Her.
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Post by East Coast on Oct 11, 2013 21:32:39 GMT -5
well.. THQ had the game license. And they signed a ton of ppl. And they were broke.
It just Mattel has a policy of only using Legends that are signed to WWE Legends deals. While the videogame ppl go and do deals w/ individual wrestlers that aren't under contract.
Someone like Hogan....i imagine was under an exclusive Jakks deal.
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Post by skribbel24 on Oct 11, 2013 21:57:38 GMT -5
2K wanted to sign them while Mattel didn't.
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Post by slappy on Oct 11, 2013 22:08:28 GMT -5
That doesn't explain anything. Why can WWE put guys in a video game but not let Mattel make a figure of them? Yeah, they are separate deals but why can't they make a deal to create figures if they are able to be in other merchandise? Mattel has said in the past they are NOT pursuing individual contracts with WWE Legends/Superstars. 2K most likely HAS pursued & obtained individual contracts with Legends/Superstars that ARE NOT on current legends deals with the WWE (Edge, Scott Hall, ETC) So basically if a past (non active) Superstar does NOT have a current Legends Mattel will not spend the extra time & money getting the rights to produce figures of Him/Her. WWE clearly doesn't have a problem with guys like Hogan and Hall being in the video game so they should be able to get Legend deals which would allow for a figure.
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Post by retrojordanwwefigure on Oct 11, 2013 22:12:31 GMT -5
Mattel or 2K Sports can include a Legend in their product if: 1) They have a Legends deal with WWE 2) They independently sign the Legend to a licensing deal 2K has a huge budget to sign talent because the WWE games sell over 2 million copies. Ok understood but mattel must sell 2 million or more Figures in a year period right ???I would think considering how fast stores and online sites sell out so fast ,I mean I don't kno the distribution and what's out there but world wide ,city & state wide they must sell millions or hundreds of thousands at the least......
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Oct 11, 2013 22:34:15 GMT -5
Hogan is in because it was in WWE's contract with THQ that if they switched companies that Hogan would be in the game or something along those lines.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 12, 2013 1:48:39 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan does not have a Mattel figure either because his action figure rights are tied up elsewhere, or because WWE weon't sign off on Mattel making a figure of him, or because he and Mattel haven't negotiated a deal they're happy with.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 12, 2013 8:34:52 GMT -5
I will try to explain it to you as best I can:
WWE has "Legends" merchandising deals with a lot of guys, but not all of them (obviously). Mattel is free to make figures of (most all) of these guys. This is how we got Honky Tonk Man for instance.
Just like with Jakks, if Mattel wants to make anyone not signed to a Legends deal, they have to go out and sign them to a licensing deal of their own. For whatever reason, Mattel has chosen not to go after many other guys. For that reason, most all of whom we've got as Flashbacks have been guys with Legends deals. It could be budget or it could be something different.
In the same way, 2K Sports can sign licensing deals with all of the non-Legends. They have (obviously) shown a greater willingness to spend money signing guys like Razor, Hogan, Flair. They might have a bigger budget or just the money is less for video games, I'm not sure.
So, to answer your question, nothing is necessarily stopping Mattel from signing these guys, at least from a WWE standpoint. It's just that they have chosen not to pursue them for whatever reason*. (*I'm sure they've at least asked, and maybe the price is out of their range, etc.).
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Here's another angle that might help explain it: Kenner or Hasbro or whoever has the Star Wars action figure line. LEGO obviously has a different deal with Star Wars to make their toys. One of the LEGO fan-made projects that got supported was essentially a bucket full of 100 Stormtroopers. Due to the separate contracts, LEGO couldn't make this idea without some other building component because it would technically be infringing on the action figure contract. It's the same thing here. 2K has deals to use their license in video games, Mattel can make deals to use their license in action figure form. The only thing that's stopping Mattel is Mattel.
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Post by Rob7274 on Oct 12, 2013 9:16:43 GMT -5
Basically it's all about the money.
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Post by PJ on Oct 12, 2013 9:35:48 GMT -5
Is Hogan still with TNA? And or how long was his contract with Jakks for? Even if he's not with TNA anymore he can still be under contract with Jakks which depending on the length and stipulations of the contract could still be preventing him from signing with Mattel even if they wanted to sign him.
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