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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Nov 3, 2013 13:41:17 GMT -5
B/c Ohno, Cesaro and Zayn arent really considered CZW guys. They worked there...so did CM Punk and Mike Quackenbush...would you consider them CZW guys? Ohno and Cesaro would be Chikara guys first and ROH guys 2nd. Zayn is more PWG and ROH than CZW. I definitely consider chris hero a czw guy. He worked there for 5-6 years before moving onto roh. For most of that time he was working for chikara too but czw just runs more shows. Same is true for generico to a lesser extent, but he even worked a match for czw earlier this year. Cm punk worked one match for czw, quackenbush worked there for years, was a champ and a bob winner (ironically defeating cesaro in that tournament even though I don't consider cesaro a czw guy) so you can't compare their involvement in czw. You could actually make a case for quack but the fact that he began to work exclusively for chikara and is still associated with them to this day makes him more of a chikara guy. Not calling hero a czw guy would be like not calling Adam cole a czw guy just because he won the roh belt. Tyler Black worked for AAW for years. I dont consider him an AAW guy either. Its not about how long they spent there. Its about where they were making their name. Hero was a name long before CZW. Adam Cole really made his name in ROH.
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Post by micco on Nov 4, 2013 6:31:44 GMT -5
I definitely consider chris hero a czw guy. He worked there for 5-6 years before moving onto roh. For most of that time he was working for chikara too but czw just runs more shows. Same is true for generico to a lesser extent, but he even worked a match for czw earlier this year. Cm punk worked one match for czw, quackenbush worked there for years, was a champ and a bob winner (ironically defeating cesaro in that tournament even though I don't consider cesaro a czw guy) so you can't compare their involvement in czw. You could actually make a case for quack but the fact that he began to work exclusively for chikara and is still associated with them to this day makes him more of a chikara guy. Not calling hero a czw guy would be like not calling Adam cole a czw guy just because he won the roh belt. Tyler Black worked for AAW for years. I dont consider him an AAW guy either. Its not about how long they spent there. Its about where they were making their name. Hero was a name long before CZW. Adam Cole really made his name in ROH. I totally disagree, you have to consider the duration of time spent because to say someone is a big name is entirely too subjective. Especially for an Indy guy. To be honest, none of these guys are big names. I still don't consider Adam cole a big name. Yeah he's current roh champ but that just says to me how worthless that belt is. I know guys who train with him that think its a joke that he's champ (obviously hating to a certain degree) but, he's wrestled his whole entire career in czw from beginning to present, so that to me makes him a czw guy. In the case of hero, he'd only been wrestling for a few years in Feds I've never heard of before showing up in czw and spending the bulk of his career there so how big of a name could he have been. This might not mean a whole lot but I'd certainly never heard of him before I saw him in czw. I'm not saying he was just some green nobody off the street corner but to say he was a big name is in my opinion an exaggeration but at the very least, a relative term.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Nov 4, 2013 14:26:09 GMT -5
Tyler Black worked for AAW for years. I dont consider him an AAW guy either. Its not about how long they spent there. Its about where they were making their name. Hero was a name long before CZW. Adam Cole really made his name in ROH. I totally disagree, you have to consider the duration of time spent because to say someone is a big name is entirely too subjective. Especially for an Indy guy. To be honest, none of these guys are big names. I still don't consider Adam cole a big name. Yeah he's current roh champ but that just says to me how worthless that belt is. I know guys who train with him that think its a joke that he's champ (obviously hating to a certain degree) but, he's wrestled his whole entire career in czw from beginning to present, so that to me makes him a czw guy. In the case of hero, he'd only been wrestling for a few years in Feds I've never heard of before showing up in czw and spending the bulk of his career there so how big of a name could he have been. This might not mean a whole lot but I'd certainly never heard of him before I saw him in czw. I'm not saying he was just some green nobody off the street corner but to say he was a big name is in my opinion an exaggeration but at the very least, a relative term. The bulk of his career?! He spent 5 years in CZW. He spent 7 in PWG and IWA MS and 5 in Chikara. By your definition....he's a PWG or IWA MS guy. I wouldnt say Hero is a this or that guy specifically...just not one fed. But I wouldnt consider him a CZW guy. PWG/IWA MS/ROH/Chikara....these are the feds that pop to mind when it comes to Hero. Its where the guy garnered his biggest successes and made his name for himself. Hell if it wasnt for the crap that happened with Shane Storm, Hero would have been in Chikara even longer than that.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 4, 2013 14:50:01 GMT -5
Hero and Claudio are just journeymen. You can make as much case for Hero being a PWG guy as you can for him being a Chikara guy imo. I don't really care what Indy fed wants to take credit for getting him to the show. All I want is for him to make it to the main roster and for me to get a Kassius Ohno Mattel figure on my shelf.
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Post by Tyler Black on Nov 4, 2013 22:59:03 GMT -5
Lets not forget well also be getting the most devastating big boot on the indies Brodie Lee soon
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 10, 2013 12:23:34 GMT -5
Hero and Claudio are just journeymen. Hahahahaha! I get what you meant, but calling Castognoli/Cesaro a "Journeyman" cracks me up because of the original definition. Kudos on using the boxing definition! Go words! Lqtm
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Post by East Coast on Nov 10, 2013 14:20:57 GMT -5
looks like we'll never get Kassius anyway ![:(](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/sad.gif)
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