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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:22:49 GMT -5
Shawn was overrated to me because of two reasons: 1. His constant unprofessionalism INSIDE of the ring. (Temper tantrums, pouting, etc.) 2. His overselling was comical at many times. Both of these issues were fixed when he returned in 2002. Except for that match with Hogan... Yep. His match with Vader at Summerslam is a classic example of why his work is generally over rated. A professional doesn't behave like that. Him screwing over Tatanka led to an anticlimactic finish to an otherwise good match, and had Tatanka got the IC title with a clean finish I'm sure it would have been a highly memorable moment too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:29:04 GMT -5
Shawn was overrated to me because of two reasons: 1. His constant unprofessionalism INSIDE of the ring. (Temper tantrums, pouting, etc.) 2. His overselling was comical at many times. Both of these issues were fixed when he returned in 2002. Except for that match with Hogan... Yep. His match with Vader at Summerslam is a classic example of why his work is generally over rated. A professional doesn't behave like that. Him screwing over Tatanka led to an anticlimactic finish to an otherwise good match, and had Tatanka got the IC title with a clean finish I'm sure it would have been a highly memorable moment too. Someone who is "professional" and "the main draw or champion" of company while also being the "main event, showstopper, icon, etc" doesn't let it show when there is a mistake made in the ring. They don't piss and moan and bitch because someone blew a spot. They don't cry and spit at the crowd because they are being booed in favor of Sid. They also don't tell someone to "get the f*ck out of the ring" when the belt is given to them in the main event of Wrestlemania. These reasons are why Shawn is overrated during THAT period of time. However, from 2002-2010 he was awesome and I never enjoyed his work more.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:33:37 GMT -5
Yep. His match with Vader at Summerslam is a classic example of why his work is generally over rated. A professional doesn't behave like that. Him screwing over Tatanka led to an anticlimactic finish to an otherwise good match, and had Tatanka got the IC title with a clean finish I'm sure it would have been a highly memorable moment too. Someone who is "professional" and "the main draw or champion" of company while also being the "main event, showstopper, icon, etc" doesn't let it show when there is a mistake made in the ring. They don't piss and moan and bitch because someone blew a spot. They don't cry and spit at the crowd because they are being booed in favor of Sid. They also don't tell someone to "get the f*ck out of the ring" when the belt is given to them in the main event of Wrestlemania. These reasons are why Shawn is overrated during THAT period of time. However, from 2002-2010 he was awesome and I never enjoyed his work more. He had a much better attitude from 02-10 and it showed in his work. Obviously there was the odd occasion where vintage Shawn crept in (IE vs. Hogan and screwing Kennedy out of being the guy to retire Flair) but in general it was much better.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Dec 19, 2013 13:47:19 GMT -5
There's a few for me... L.O.D / Road Warriors - I was watching some DVD the other day I cant remember which one it was, but it had 2 of their matches from WCW on there and I just thought damn are these guys really considered one of the best tag team in history? they didnt seem to have any connection with their opponents it was just a cluster of, punch, punch, kick, *botch*, power move. Undertaker - not nessecerily during the 90's period, but I'm counting him in too seeing as he was still active and I dont even know how. I get his gimmick and all but his 80's stuff was just mundane, boring... I get that the gimmick was ground breaking as no one had seen that kinda stuff done before but I just dont get how he went from being "that" to what he is today. incredible transformation. Bret Hart - Really dont enjoy any of his work, unless its with HBK, I'm not a fan of the slow paced submission stuff that he does
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Post by Hem-Ridge on Dec 19, 2013 14:02:27 GMT -5
Completely forgot about Nash/Diesel, yeah scrap the others I listed, Diesel's the most overrated and over-pushed guy in the 90's to me, I kind of think there was a big reason why 1995 sucked and he came across as a big reason why it was bad.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 19, 2013 14:02:44 GMT -5
Someone who is "professional" and "the main draw or champion" of company while also being the "main event, showstopper, icon, etc" doesn't let it show when there is a mistake made in the ring. They don't piss and moan and bitch because someone blew a spot. They don't cry and spit at the crowd because they are being booed in favor of Sid. They also don't tell someone to "get the f*ck out of the ring" when the belt is given to them in the main event of Wrestlemania. These reasons are why Shawn is overrated during THAT period of time. However, from 2002-2010 he was awesome and I never enjoyed his work more. He had a much better attitude from 02-10 and it showed in his work. Obviously there was the odd occasion where vintage Shawn crept in (IE vs. Hogan and screwing Kennedy out of being the guy to retire Flair) but in general it was much better. What's the Kennedy rumour? I've never heard that one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 14:29:00 GMT -5
He had a much better attitude from 02-10 and it showed in his work. Obviously there was the odd occasion where vintage Shawn crept in (IE vs. Hogan and screwing Kennedy out of being the guy to retire Flair) but in general it was much better. What's the Kennedy rumour? I've never heard that one. Yeah, there was a thing about how Kennedy was going to be the guy to retire Flair but Shawn stepped in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 15:36:39 GMT -5
What's the Kennedy rumour? I've never heard that one. Yeah, there was a thing about how Kennedy was going to be the guy to retire Flair but Shawn stepped in. was that why he went to tna?
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 19, 2013 15:42:01 GMT -5
What's the Kennedy rumour? I've never heard that one. Yeah, there was a thing about how Kennedy was going to be the guy to retire Flair but Shawn stepped in. Is it a rumour or basically accepted as fact? I know Vince was high on Kennedy (the son thing) but I'd be surprised if he liked him that much. Shawn being in it was much better anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 15:48:01 GMT -5
Yeah, there was a thing about how Kennedy was going to be the guy to retire Flair but Shawn stepped in. Is it a rumour or basically accepted as fact? I know Vince was high on Kennedy (the son thing) but I'd be surprised if he liked him that much. Shawn being in it was much better anyway. I'm not sure. Maybe someone else here can answer that question.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 19, 2013 16:03:52 GMT -5
Completely forgot about Nash/Diesel, yeah scrap the others I listed, Diesel's the most overrated and over-pushed guy in the 90's to me, I kind of think there was a big reason why 1995 sucked and he came across as a big reason why it was bad. While I am not disagreeing with your statement, I don't think that Nash deserves 100% of the blame for 1995. His matches with Bret, Bulldog & HBK were good. It's when you're booked half the year against guys like Sid & Mabel it doesn't help much.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 19, 2013 16:07:19 GMT -5
Shawn was overrated to me because of two reasons: 1. His constant unprofessionalism INSIDE of the ring. (Temper tantrums, pouting, etc.) 2. His overselling was comical at many times. Both of these issues were fixed when he returned in 2002. Except for that match with Hogan... Yep. His match with Vader at Summerslam is a classic example of why his work is generally over rated. A professional doesn't behave like that. Him screwing over Tatanka led to an anticlimactic finish to an otherwise good match, and had Tatanka got the IC title with a clean finish I'm sure it would have been a highly memorable moment too. Honestly, Tatanka was one of my favorite wrestlers in the 90's, but I think it was a good move that he didn't get the IC belt. For one Tatanka didn't need it. His 2 year undefeated streak was his gimmick and was hotter than any title he could have. 2. The sequence of events between WrestleMania 9 & 10 with the IC Title were some of the best. With Jannetty coming out and getting the surprise win, to Diesel's debut and Shawn regaining the belt, Shawn getting suspended and the Battle Royal with Ramon & Martel to get Razor the belt leading all the way to the ladder match, I wouldn't have changed a thing.
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Post by The Madness on Dec 19, 2013 16:09:01 GMT -5
The Rock. My goodness, the Rock.
Every complaint about Cena now is equally applicable to the Rock in the Attitude era, in spades.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 16:16:47 GMT -5
Yep. His match with Vader at Summerslam is a classic example of why his work is generally over rated. A professional doesn't behave like that. Him screwing over Tatanka led to an anticlimactic finish to an otherwise good match, and had Tatanka got the IC title with a clean finish I'm sure it would have been a highly memorable moment too. Honestly, Tatanka was one of my favorite wrestlers in the 90's, but I think it was a good move that he didn't get the IC belt. For one Tatanka didn't need it. His 2 year undefeated streak was his gimmick and was hotter than any title he could have. 2. The sequence of events between WrestleMania 9 & 10 with the IC Title were some of the best. With Jannetty coming out and getting the surprise win, to Diesel's debut and Shawn regaining the belt, Shawn getting suspended and the Battle Royal with Ramon & Martel to get Razor the belt leading all the way to the ladder match, I wouldn't have changed a thing. I'm not denying that the IC title matches were awesome in 93-94 but Shawn didn't know that. Plus it really derailed Tatanka's career.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 19, 2013 16:23:31 GMT -5
The most overrated were the top guys during the dark period, Michaels and (to a bigger extent) Hart.
Also vastly overrated in the nineties: Owen Hart (by internet fans) Ahmed Johnson (by the WWF) Chris Benoit Ric Flair (he pretty much sucked after his first WWF run but some people talked like he was still the best) Randy Savage Yokozuna Diesel (by the WWF)
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 19, 2013 16:24:28 GMT -5
Honestly, Tatanka was one of my favorite wrestlers in the 90's, but I think it was a good move that he didn't get the IC belt. For one Tatanka didn't need it. His 2 year undefeated streak was his gimmick and was hotter than any title he could have. 2. The sequence of events between WrestleMania 9 & 10 with the IC Title were some of the best. With Jannetty coming out and getting the surprise win, to Diesel's debut and Shawn regaining the belt, Shawn getting suspended and the Battle Royal with Ramon & Martel to get Razor the belt leading all the way to the ladder match, I wouldn't have changed a thing. I'm not denying that the IC title matches were awesome in 93-94 but Shawn didn't know that. Plus it really derailed Tatanka's career. I think the Borga incident, followed by the heel turn that fizzled out and his personal problems at the time derailed his career more than one match with Shawn Michaels. Though I am not denying that the ending to the match was cheesy. But Vince is just as much to blame as Shawn, because he approved it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 16:59:26 GMT -5
I'm not denying that the IC title matches were awesome in 93-94 but Shawn didn't know that. Plus it really derailed Tatanka's career. I think the Borga incident, followed by the heel turn that fizzled out and his personal problems at the time derailed his career more than one match with Shawn Michaels. Though I am not denying that the ending to the match was cheesy. But Vince is just as much to blame as Shawn, because he approved it. True. I'm just saying it changed the course of his career and left him without direction. He lost to Borga turned heel and that was pretty much all she wrote.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 19, 2013 17:02:36 GMT -5
I think the Borga incident, followed by the heel turn that fizzled out and his personal problems at the time derailed his career more than one match with Shawn Michaels. Though I am not denying that the ending to the match was cheesy. But Vince is just as much to blame as Shawn, because he approved it. True. I'm just saying it changed the course of his career and left him without direction. He lost to Borga turned heel and that was pretty much all she wrote. Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. I did like his feud with Bam Bam Bigelow after Mania 9 though. It's just a shame by the time they had their televised singles match at Royal Rumble 94 their feud was long over and they were both in different programs, so it wasn't as satisfying.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 19, 2013 17:04:33 GMT -5
I am gonna go with Mick Foley on this one.
Mick wasn't anything special by any means, and I say that with the most sincere ability that I can. But for some reason, people built him up to be "God" with such signs as "Foley is God" and treating him like he was the greatest thing in the late 90s, all because he fell off the Hell In A Cell, not once but twice.
I never cared for his ECW promos either. I always found them to be very long, and saying the same stuff over and over, just worded differently. That being this... "I hate Tommy Dreamer, go to WCW Tommy Dreamer, Uncle Eric will welcome you home" etc. We get it, but he had to word it differently each time, every week.
Foley was good, but by no means was he great or "God" when it came to wrestling. So to me, he was the most over rated guy in the 90s.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 17:20:49 GMT -5
True. I'm just saying it changed the course of his career and left him without direction. He lost to Borga turned heel and that was pretty much all she wrote. Yeah, I get what you're trying to say. I did like his feud with Bam Bam Bigelow after Mania 9 though. It's just a shame by the time they had their televised singles match at Royal Rumble 94 their feud was long over and they were both in different programs, so it wasn't as satisfying. Yeah, they did have great chemistry though, and their RR match was excellent. I think a heel turn would have been good for him if he hadn't joined the mid card corperation. Plus, he and Luger never really got a blow off match. Tatanka vs. Luger should have been booked for Wrestlemania 11.
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