HalfBlackRazorback
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Im calling it tonight Bray Wyatt beats Bryan and the IWC explodes
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Dec 29, 2013 14:51:25 GMT -5
Main guy? For all of 95 diesel had the belt , 96 was Shawn's year 93 was mostly yoko on top so he might have been a main babyface but not the top guy. He dropped the belt to 45 year old bob backlund so diesel could be on top
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:03:17 GMT -5
Main guy? For all of 95 diesel had the belt , 96 was Shawn's year 93 was mostly yoko on top so he might have been a main babyface but not the top guy. He dropped the belt to 45 year old bob backlund so diesel could be on top And they all failed. In the eyes of the fans, Bret was the main guy from 92-97. There's a big reason why 95 is considered one of the worst years of wrestling, and it's because Bret and other main event stars like Undertaker and Diesel were feuding with mid carders like Mabel, Kama and Hakushi. Backlund was merely a transitional champion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:06:52 GMT -5
The Rock. My goodness, the Rock. Every complaint about Cena now is equally applicable to the Rock in the Attitude era, in spades. Oh my lord! Someone else who thinks Rocky is overrated? I'm not the only one!
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 29, 2013 15:25:34 GMT -5
Guys that made the company money for years are not "overrated". How anyone could list the Rock, Stone Cold, Bret (who kept WWF afloat for a while), etc overrated is truly beyond me. Those guys all deserve huge praise whether you're a fan or not. Its like when people say Hogan is overrated yet he MADE wrestling.
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Post by Revy on Dec 29, 2013 15:33:26 GMT -5
People saying how Shawn flopped as champion must forget that little thing known as the NWO. Jim Ross even stated he would hate to imagine what the company would have been like if Shawn wasn't as good as he was. How was one guy suppose to compete against the hottest angle ever?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:39:26 GMT -5
People saying how Shawn flopped as champion must forget that little thing known as the NWO. Jim Ross even stated he would hate to imagine what the company would have been like if Shawn wasn't as good as he was. How was one guy suppose to compete against the hottest angle ever? Yes the NWO was partly to blame. But you've also got the fact that no straight man or boy (the majority of the fanbase at the time) wanted to see a guy strip-dancing in his underwear. THAT was their champion at the time. You've also got the fact that Shawn was burying all of his rivals either backstage or on screen.
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Post by HHH316 on Dec 29, 2013 18:53:30 GMT -5
I would say Owen Hart. Good? Yes. Great? I don't think so.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 29, 2013 19:06:50 GMT -5
People saying how Shawn flopped as champion must forget that little thing known as the NWO. Jim Ross even stated he would hate to imagine what the company would have been like if Shawn wasn't as good as he was. How was one guy suppose to compete against the hottest angle ever? It wasn't just the nwo. Shawn's character turned off most fans who weren't female. His bad attitude behind the scenes and refusal to make a lot of his opponents look good turned a lot of fans off as well. I've never understood why people say Shawn kept the wwf afloat in 1996 when much of the audience turned on him by summer slam. If anything the taker/mankind feud is what kept that wwf afloat. That was the big wwf story everyone was talking about at the time. The nwo made things tough on the wwf but that's not the only reason Shawn floped as champ.
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Post by Revy on Dec 29, 2013 21:17:15 GMT -5
He stated himself in a shoot that he hated "The Boyhood Dream" route was crappy. I think one thing that would have helped him in 96 is if his character was similar to that of early 95 or what it would become in 97. People were getting tired of the clean cut baby face guys and that hurt him. But to say he was overrated is insane, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 22:09:16 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels. His 2002-2010 stuff was so much better. I agree
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Post by Duck Holliday on Dec 29, 2013 23:41:21 GMT -5
The idea of Bret being overrated is so laughable it hurts my sides... maybe overrated by 15 year old kids who have no mind for the way wrestling should look. Also, Bret is always called on his admittedly sub par mic work so I'd say hes appropriately rated.
Some workers are defiantly overrated in certain aspects of the art. I'd say Hogan and The Rock might be overrated by the casual fans in-ring wise, but they were certainly not overrated in the pantheon of pro wrestling. They were the biggest figures of their eras and were amazing showmen.
The Warrior... Most educated fans can see through him, but the casual fans and people who loved him from their childhoods sometimes can't. Also, Andre didn't like working with him and I'm going to say that should carry some weight.
Lugar. Scott Hall/Razor.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 30, 2013 0:09:05 GMT -5
Main guy? For all of 95 diesel had the belt , 96 was Shawn's year 93 was mostly yoko on top so he might have been a main babyface but not the top guy. He dropped the belt to 45 year old bob backlund so diesel could be on top And they all failed. In the eyes of the fans, Bret was the main guy from 92-97. There's a big reason why 95 is considered one of the worst years of wrestling, and it's because Bret and other main event stars like Undertaker and Diesel were feuding with mid carders like Mabel, Kama and Hakushi. Backlund was merely a transitional champion. Oh, you poor, misled soul. Shawn Michaels defined the WWF from 1995 until Austin's title run in 1998. The wrestling world had never seen someone that dynamic and complete before, and they haven't seen anything like that since--not even from Shawn. He was, quite simply, the perfect wrestler back then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 3:37:55 GMT -5
And they all failed. In the eyes of the fans, Bret was the main guy from 92-97. There's a big reason why 95 is considered one of the worst years of wrestling, and it's because Bret and other main event stars like Undertaker and Diesel were feuding with mid carders like Mabel, Kama and Hakushi. Backlund was merely a transitional champion. Oh, you poor, misled soul. Shawn Michaels defined the WWF from 1995 until Austin's title run in 1998. The wrestling world had never seen someone that dynamic and complete before, and they haven't seen anything like that since--not even from Shawn. He was, quite simply, the perfect wrestler back then. Yeah the 3 (at least) times he just handed a title over, constant temper tantrums and burial of up and comers was perfect, I wish we'd seen more of that!
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Dec 30, 2013 6:40:13 GMT -5
Goldberg, hands down.
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Post by Road Warriors on Dec 31, 2013 12:50:37 GMT -5
Michaels was ok at best. If you followed wrestling outside of the WWF during the same time period you had guys running circles around him like Muta and Misawa. Those who didn't know any better and only watched the WWF would say Michaels was a god but in the grand scheme of things he was good at best for the time period.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Dec 31, 2013 20:24:51 GMT -5
Im going to say the Ultimate Warrior. Overated is an understatement
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Post by jeffro2000 on Dec 31, 2013 22:07:04 GMT -5
The idea of Bret being overrated is so laughable it hurts my sides... maybe overrated by 15 year old kids who have no mind for the way wrestling should look. Also, Bret is always called on his admittedly sub par mic work so I'd say hes appropriately rated. Some workers are defiantly overrated in certain aspects of the art. I'd say Hogan and The Rock might be overrated by the casual fans in-ring wise, but they were certainly not overrated in the pantheon of pro wrestling. They were the biggest figures of their eras and were amazing showmen. The Warrior... Most educated fans can see through him, but the casual fans and people who loved him from their childhoods sometimes can't. Also, Andre didn't like working with him and I'm going to say that should carry some weight. Lugar. Scott Hall/Razor. This thread and many of the Answers are mind boggling to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don't get how some people rate guys or what they are going by. Hogan, Rock, Hart, Michaels are all time greats in this business. They all entertained in different ways, but they took what they were great at and ran with it. Hogan is still the most recognizable wrestling star of all time. I don't know how he can be overrated. Ring work wasn't great, but is actually underrated, showmanship is second to none. Same with the Rock. The Bret hate is really surprising to me. Maybe its an age thing. Maybe you didn't see him fight the Bulldogs and Demolition. Then go on to win the IC belt and later become World Champ. It's WWF's fault for not building up to his 1st title win. I just think if you saw him as a kid then you love the guy. If you were older, then you really appreciate that this guy went from tag wrestler and fought for years and years to break down barriers to become the guy in WWF. Everyone has an opinion and no one is wrong. I am just surprised by some. I clicked on this expecting to see Val Venis, Bagwell, Luger, guys like that. The goal is to entertain Hogan, Rock, HBK, Bret all entertained me.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Dec 31, 2013 22:29:35 GMT -5
The idea of Bret being overrated is so laughable it hurts my sides... maybe overrated by 15 year old kids who have no mind for the way wrestling should look. Also, Bret is always called on his admittedly sub par mic work so I'd say hes appropriately rated. Some workers are defiantly overrated in certain aspects of the art. I'd say Hogan and The Rock might be overrated by the casual fans in-ring wise, but they were certainly not overrated in the pantheon of pro wrestling. They were the biggest figures of their eras and were amazing showmen. The Warrior... Most educated fans can see through him, but the casual fans and people who loved him from their childhoods sometimes can't. Also, Andre didn't like working with him and I'm going to say that should carry some weight. Lugar. Scott Hall/Razor. This thread and many of the Answers are mind boggling to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don't get how some people rate guys or what they are going by. Hogan, Rock, Hart, Michaels are all time greats in this business. They all entertained in different ways, but they took what they were great at and ran with it. Hogan is still the most recognizable wrestling star of all time. I don't know how he can be overrated. Ring work wasn't great, but is actually underrated, sportmanship is second to none. Same with the Rock. The Bret hate is really surprising to me. Maybe its an age thing. Maybe you didn't see him fight the Bulldogs and Demolition. Then go on to win the IC belt and later become World Champ. It's WWF's fault for not building up to his 1st title win. I just think if you saw him as a kid then you love the guy. If you were older, then you really appreciate that this guy went from tag wrestler and fought for years and years to break down barriers to become the guy in WWF. Everyone has an opinion and no one is wrong. I am just surprised by some. I clicked on this expecting to see Val Venis, Bagwell, Luger, guys like that. The goal is to entertain Hogan, Rock, HBK, Bret all entertained me. I just realized in rereading this that I meant to say "maybe overrated to 15..." not "maybe overrated by 15..."
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Post by marino13 on Dec 31, 2013 22:58:19 GMT -5
I can't believe I didn't think of him at first. Kinda disappointed in myself.
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HalfBlackRazorback
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Im calling it tonight Bray Wyatt beats Bryan and the IWC explodes
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 1, 2014 4:51:24 GMT -5
This thread and many of the Answers are mind boggling to me. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don't get how some people rate guys or what they are going by. Hogan, Rock, Hart, Michaels are all time greats in this business. They all entertained in different ways, but they took what they were great at and ran with it. Hogan is still the most recognizable wrestling star of all time. I don't know how he can be overrated. Ring work wasn't great, but is actually underrated, sportmanship is second to none. Same with the Rock. The Bret hate is really surprising to me. Maybe its an age thing. Maybe you didn't see him fight the Bulldogs and Demolition. Then go on to win the IC belt and later become World Champ. It's WWF's fault for not building up to his 1st title win. I just think if you saw him as a kid then you love the guy. If you were older, then you really appreciate that this guy went from tag wrestler and fought for years and years to break down barriers to become the guy in WWF. Everyone has an opinion and no one is wrong. I am just surprised by some. I clicked on this expecting to see Val Venis, Bagwell, Luger, guys like that. The goal is to entertain Hogan, Rock, HBK, Bret all entertained me. I just realized in rereading this that I meant to say "maybe overrated to 15..." not "maybe overrated by 15..." I saw Brett as a kid he was bland boring and vanilla to me . Even then his slow pace didn't excite me one bit. I was a curt Hennig Rick Rude or Ted Dibiase style guy . I'll give heel Brett his due his work in 1997 was one of the few times when he picked up a mic that i didnt consider changing the channels. Brett's style just wasn't my cup of tea.
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