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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 23, 2013 9:59:19 GMT -5
well as a collector, its hard for me to see Mattel cry poverty when it comes to things like cloth shirts or shiny belts, or accessories not coming with a figure because it has "too much detail" or there are "too many colors"
then i walk into a store and see Power Slammers or Rumblers completely clogging shelves & pegs. clearly not being purchased by anyone. or a line like Flex Force that BOMBED horribly. so essentially that is WASTED money within the company. They've never cried "poverty." The whole "budget" argument is about keeping the price point down on Elites. They will spend a certain amount per figure so they can still make their profit under the MSRP. Do you want to pay $30 retail for them? Then we can get more cloth goods (and quite frankly, we basically always get the shiny belts, so I'm not sure what your gripe is there anymore).
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 23, 2013 16:04:08 GMT -5
well as a collector, its hard for me to see Mattel cry poverty That's your mistake. They are not crying poverty. They are explaining that a figure has a budget according to its price point and production run. Nothing to do with them crying poverty, you have just massively misunderstood budgeting.
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Post by Chip on Dec 23, 2013 16:23:53 GMT -5
not really. im an intelligent person.
budget - $x = how much we have for Elites $x = how much we have for Power Slammers $x = how much we have for Basics
and so on...
wouldn't it be easier for everyone involved if there was ONE budget number for the entire product line. am i the ONLY person on earth that believes this?
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Post by Chewdeezy on Dec 23, 2013 17:57:52 GMT -5
It would be too hard to keep track of for every series for every different line within the WWE line. Just think of it as Nike with different shoe lines like Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, etc. Every different line will get a different budget because it's all about dominating shelf space. The Elite and Basic line are fine and doing well but Mattel wants to increase it's portfolio with more toys so that is why they will keep trying to come up with new ideas and new lines. Rumblers are fine and it seems like Brawlin Buddies have also survived so there will always be hit and misses. not really. im an intelligent person. budget - $x = how much we have for Elites $x = how much we have for Power Slammers $x = how much we have for Basics and so on... wouldn't it be easier for everyone involved if there was ONE budget number for the entire product line. am i the ONLY person on earth that believes this?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 23, 2013 20:42:22 GMT -5
not really. im an intelligent person. Then why use this thread to make yourself seem otherwise? No, because those things are separate for a reason. The "how much we have for Elites" is dependent on "how much Elites make for us." Nothing to do with Basics or Power Slammers. Mattel does not say "we don't hav muneez 4 cloth shirtz we broke lol" -- what they are saying is that a figure selling for $18 has to meet a budgetary requirement to meet their profit expectations. Same for a figure selling at $11 or $15 or any other amount. They all have a budget according to how much money they sell for. Mattel is not a charity for hardcore wrestling fans who like toys. It is a business that makes its money selling toys.
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Post by Chip on Dec 23, 2013 22:31:44 GMT -5
the budget for elites should be higher, thus then we get better figures & accessories. thats pretty much my only point
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Post by Chip on Dec 23, 2013 22:32:49 GMT -5
and MATTEL isn't making $18 per figure MATTEL is making whatever they are charging to the retail stores & wholesalers. then THEY are the ones making $18 a figure
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 22:59:25 GMT -5
not really. im an intelligent person. budget - $x = how much we have for Elites $x = how much we have for Power Slammers $x = how much we have for Basics and so on... wouldn't it be easier for everyone involved if there was ONE budget number for the entire product line. am i the ONLY person on earth that believes this? No you make perfect sense to me. Agree with you 100%
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Post by PJ on Dec 23, 2013 23:14:26 GMT -5
Higher production budget means a higher MSRP which means Elites would cost more at retail.
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Post by Flair Forever on Dec 23, 2013 23:28:43 GMT -5
While I see both sides of the argument - I look at it slightly differently.....
Why do you think they keep opening up new Starbuck's or Dunkin' Donuts, even when they're sometimes only a mile or two apart? It's another potential outlet for bringing in revenue for the same franchises.....
Each store has it's own budget - two stores can be profitable and still be very close to each other, it more depends on traffic..... but if one store closes, due to lack of business - that doesn't mean the other shops have MORE budget to work with - they still need to stay under their budget to remain profitable, there's a very thin line above the costs of Food/Labor/Direct.
So if Elites are selling well - it would be smart for Mattel to try to start NEW lines and bring MORE revenue - but the failure of some of those lines doesn't necessarily add or subtract funds from the lines that are already performing well - just because Power Slammers fail big time doesn't necessarily mean the Elites get more money to work with.
So I don't really look at it as blowing the Elites budget - it's more like they're trying to find other sources of revenue, but they just keep failing miserably.... the other lines just haven't been very successful.
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Post by AmbroseBeforeHoes on Dec 24, 2013 4:20:31 GMT -5
the budget for elites should be higher, thus then we get better figures & accessories. thats pretty much my only point Then Elites will cost more.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 24, 2013 4:37:26 GMT -5
the budget for elites should be higher, thus then we get better figures & accessories. We've seen that - it was called Defining Moments. It didn't end well. Bigger budget = bigger price.
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Post by Roman Bellic on Dec 24, 2013 4:45:15 GMT -5
not really. im an intelligent person. budget - $x = how much we have for Elites $x = how much we have for Power Slammers $x = how much we have for Basics and so on... wouldn't it be easier for everyone involved if there was ONE budget number for the entire product line. am i the ONLY person on earth that believes this? I'm sorry, but I disagree with alot of this, NO person on this forum wants to pay $30+ on ONE NEW elite figure; we aren't as rich as you, so why should other's (who don't have as much disposable income to blatantly throw away on a $30+ toy) suffer why ONLY the rich? just my opinion
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Post by skribbel24 on Dec 24, 2013 5:40:46 GMT -5
If we want them to produce figures with a higher production budget, we have to be prepared to pay the moon for the figures.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 9:38:20 GMT -5
What I find people on this forum tend to think is that we are representative of the whole wrestling figure purchasing community. We are one tiny slice of the pie, and while we are a loyal and enthusiastic bunch, if they made their business decisions based on us, they would be out of business.
More elite accessories means a higher price point, and stores will not carry products with a price point that parents will not pay. It would spell the end of the elite line, like Defining Moments. Mattel is doing what they can to please both sets of consumers while making sound decisions to insure we continue to have figures to purchase that stores will carry.
If you can't grasp that concept than you are basically just complaining like a child that you aren't getting what you want - and no amount of whining changes the reality of their business.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 24, 2013 10:27:13 GMT -5
What I find people on this forum tend to think is that we are representative of the whole wrestling figure purchasing community. We are one tiny slice of the pie, and while we are a loyal and enthusiastic bunch, if they made their business decisions based on us, they would be out of business. More elite accessories means a higher price point, and stores will not carry products with a price point that parents will not pay. It would spell the end of the elite line, like Defining Moments. Mattel is doing what they can to please both sets of consumers while making sound decisions to insure we continue to have figures to purchase that stores will carry. If you can't grasp that concept than you are basically just complaining like a child that you aren't getting what you want - and no amount of whining changes the reality of their business. Excellently put.
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