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Post by ihatebenoit on Aug 17, 2007 18:16:29 GMT -5
When all of you who bash Mr. McMahon for WWE or Jeff and Dixie in TNA have held their posistions for even a day, you people have no right to call them what I have seen here and other places. I used to do this constantly with Mr. McMahon and WWE but then I realized that these people put their lives into this business and do their best and what they think is right. It is my choice and can either watch it or not. Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing you to watch. Vince McMahon, Jeff Jarrett, Dixie Carter, hell even that fat cow Stephanie McMahon bust their asses day after day to do what is best for their business. If something does not work, eventually it will change. It is **** like this that has ed up the internet wrestling community from being a viable voice of the fans to a bunch of whining douchebags who piss, bitch, whine and complain about everything no matter how good or bad. Face it people, the X-division wrestlers are never going to be main event level players in this business. PERIOD. No casual fan who is a possible new fan is going to plunk down major $$$ to watch Jay Lethal, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley or Petey Williams. I am not knocking these guys at all. I think they are fantastic wrestlers and performers, but they are never going to be top draws in mainstream markets. Some people may transend these stereotypes, like HBK did or Bret Hart or even now AJ Styles and Samoa Joe, but they have that special something that most don't. Bentley, Sabin, Daniels, Williams, Shelley are all vanilla midgets. Great wrestlers, but not people who have mainstream appeal. Look at Batista and Cena. They have 8 moves between themselves, but they appeal to mainstream fans. Look at the pops they get. Kevin Nash is another example or having "it" but no in-ring skill. You ask anyone who Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Sting or Jeff Jarrett is and 75% or higher will know. Ask who Alex Shelley or Petey Williams are and maybe 2% will know. Again, those guys and the X Division style are great compliments to main event wrestlers, but are not main event wrestlers. So again, all the whining and pissing and moaning will not get you anywhere except proof why people like Mr. McMahon and even Dixie Carter and Jeff Jarrett do not care about the internet fans. Because nothing ever pleases you. Why don't you try enjoying the ing product for 5 minutes and stop analyzing or pissing about every little thing.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 17, 2007 18:30:04 GMT -5
Which is why I don't tend to watch Wrestling on a regular basis. Because these owners who claim that they are doing what the fans want don't really seem to know what the fans want.
Look at TNA a few years ago, it had a fantastic product because it understood what their fans wanted. Then they decided that they wanted to be direct competition by trying (and obviously failing) to attract casual fans... They did this at the potential expense of their current fan base. It seems to me like a whole lot of people are complaining about the way TNA is being booked and that is because of the attempted outreaching to the casual fans. They should focus on the fans that they already have for now until they have the resources (2 hour time slot) to try and expand their reach...
But Yeah, they should consider trying to not **** all over their fans by having a "don't like it, don't watch it" attitude because eventually, no one will be watching anymore...
Just because Vince or Jeff have been around for a while doesn't mean that they know what is best for the business because the fans of wrestling have changed so much and what they want is so much more different than what Vince and Jeff think they want... They have lost touch with what the fans really want...
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Post by Heresy on Aug 17, 2007 18:51:53 GMT -5
When all of you who bash Mr. McMahon for WWE or Jeff and Dixie in TNA have held their posistions for even a day, you people have no right to call them what I have seen here and other places. I used to do this constantly with Mr. McMahon and WWE but then I realized that these people put their lives into this business and do their best and what they think is right. It is my choice and can either watch it or not. Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing you to watch. Why don't you try enjoying the ing product for 5 minutes and stop analyzing or pissing about every little thing. God, not another "don't like it, don't watch it" tirade... I think you, like the rest who use this brilliant argument, need to learn the difference between criticizing and having pure dislike. Nobody here is going to sit through a television show if it's going to put them in a bad mood or bore them to tears... the general theme amongst WF members is that they are wrestling fans. Wrestling fans will watch and/or follow wrestling regardless if it's good or not, and they'll voice their opinions about it. Learn to deal with it... Face it people, the X-division wrestlers are never going to be main event level players in this business. PERIOD. No casual fan who is a possible new fan is going to plunk down major $$$ to watch Jay Lethal, Chris Sabin, Alex Shelley or Petey Williams. I am not knocking these guys at all. I think they are fantastic wrestlers and performers, but they are never going to be top draws in mainstream markets. Some people may transend these stereotypes, like HBK did or Bret Hart or even now AJ Styles and Samoa Joe, but they have that special something that most don't. If this isn't the biggest pile of bull **** I've ever read. X-division guys could never be main eventers? Casual fans won't pay money to see smaller guys, besides HBK, Bret, Joe, and AJ? Ain't it easy to look to the past and present and pick out the "exceptions" for your close-minded theory on what makes a main event draw. How the hell do you know that, with a push, a guy like Alex Shelley couldn't be an HBK or Bret of the future? He has ring ability, mic skills, comedic brilliance, and a marketable look and gimmick. Oh that's right... he's currently an underpushed cruiserweight in TNA, he could never be anything more, right? Please... Kevin Nash is another example or having "it" but no in-ring skill. You ask anyone who Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Sting or Jeff Jarrett is and 75% or higher will know. Ask who Alex Shelley or Petey Williams are and maybe 2% will know. Again, those guys and the X Division style are great compliments to main event wrestlers, but are not main event wrestlers. More convenient stats to help out a pointless argument. Of course people will know who Nash, Angle, Sting, or Jarrett is over Shelley or Williams. It's not because Shelley or Williams (well maybe just Shelley) couldn't main event. It means they haven't been heavily invested in by a major promotion like the other four. Your whole argument is bordering on pathetic, tbh.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 17, 2007 18:57:54 GMT -5
I completely agree with everything The Ripper said.
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Post by deskjet on Aug 17, 2007 19:02:39 GMT -5
Shelley hasnt impressed me that much...whats with the posing after every damn move? I see that alot with sabin too as with Aries? ?
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on Aug 17, 2007 20:10:28 GMT -5
Its pointless to argue. No matter what happens, internet smarks always think they can do better.
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Post by Mushroom Stomp on Aug 17, 2007 20:19:54 GMT -5
tna is just like wwes sh*t,there the same thing now,in 2005ide say,thats when tna was the best wrestling on tv,but now i think wwe is better
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Post by Stevo on Aug 17, 2007 20:26:24 GMT -5
Its pointless to argue. No matter what happens, internet smarks always think they can do better. Yeah, riiiiight. The general consensus when RVD won the title was that it was a brilliant move and almost everyone was happy. Thats just an example of "smarks" not bitching because IT WAS A CHANGE FOR THE BEST. Are there going to be guys bitching when its good or showing support when its bad? Of course, every guy and every storylin will have some people who like it. But the general watchers of TNA don't seem to like the show too much. Nobody fell in love with Angle, yet TNA pushed him for "marketability" which hasn't paid off. Why not Joe? Even if its for a brief, shining moment, why not give us something/someone we like and push them? Now, I'm not trying to say "give Shelley the World Title, he deserves it" when that wouldn't make sense, but Joe is a credible guy who has beaten quite a lot of the roster and is a big name in TNA. TNA CAN do better. If things weren't so damn stagnant, maybe there would be a more positive opinion of TNA. Taking the wrestling out of the show for a guy like Pacman isn't going to do it, though. As for the entire original post, I can't put it better than the Ripper did.
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Post by Lennon on Aug 17, 2007 21:10:32 GMT -5
Don't people have better things to do with their lives than to write stuff like this?
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 17, 2007 21:10:46 GMT -5
Its pointless to argue. No matter what happens, internet smarks always think they can do better. Give me the Talent pool and the money that TNA has access to as well as their TV show/PPV deals... I am quite confident that I can book better than TNA does right now and I am sure that I would book a show that most people will want to see because I would actually listen to what the fans want to see....
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Post by Adam on Aug 17, 2007 21:52:12 GMT -5
God forbid we don't accept everything that's thrown at us, and we express our opinions. See in case you didn't notice, we actually care about TNA and we actually want them to get better and eventually compete with WWE, which in turn will make them better. But no, I just simply won't watch it, who the hell cares? We do, that argument has been played out a long time ago. But again, god forbid we express our thoughts.
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Post by sabathia on Aug 17, 2007 21:58:16 GMT -5
Dixie Carter is a horrible owner and ugly wench.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 17, 2007 21:59:34 GMT -5
Dixie Carter is a horrible owner and ugly wench. Way to add to the topic at hand... good on you -_-
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Post by sabathia on Aug 17, 2007 22:01:23 GMT -5
Dixie Carter is a horrible owner and ugly wench. Way to add to the topic at hand... good on you -_- I guess with your head up Johnny Devine's soon to be released ass you can't see the sarcasm.
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Post by timebombversion420 on Aug 17, 2007 22:07:04 GMT -5
When all of you who bash Mr. McMahon for WWE or Jeff and Dixie in TNA have held their posistions for even a day, you people have no right to call them what I have seen here and other places. I used to do this constantly with Mr. McMahon and WWE but then I realized that these people put their lives into this business and do their best and what they think is right. It is my choice and can either watch it or not. Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing you to watch. God, not another "don't like it, don't watch it" tirade... I think you, like the rest who use this brilliant argument, need to learn the difference between criticizing and having pure dislike. Nobody here is going to sit through a television show if it's going to put them in a bad mood or bore them to tears... the general theme amongst WF members is that they are wrestling fans. Wrestling fans will watch and/or follow wrestling regardless if it's good or not, and they'll voice their opinions about it. Learn to deal with it... If this isn't the biggest pile of bull **** I've ever read. X-division guys could never be main eventers? Casual fans won't pay money to see smaller guys, besides HBK, Bret, Joe, and AJ? Ain't it easy to look to the past and present and pick out the "exceptions" for your close-minded theory on what makes a main event draw. How the hell do you know that, with a push, a guy like Alex Shelley couldn't be an HBK or Bret of the future? He has ring ability, mic skills, comedic brilliance, and a marketable look and gimmick. Oh that's right... he's currently an underpushed cruiserweight in TNA, he could never be anything more, right? Please... Kevin Nash is another example or having "it" but no in-ring skill. You ask anyone who Kevin Nash, Kurt Angle, Sting or Jeff Jarrett is and 75% or higher will know. Ask who Alex Shelley or Petey Williams are and maybe 2% will know. Again, those guys and the X Division style are great compliments to main event wrestlers, but are not main event wrestlers. More convenient stats to help out a pointless argument. Of course people will know who Nash, Angle, Sting, or Jarrett is over Shelley or Williams. It's not because Shelley or Williams (well maybe just Shelley) couldn't main event. It means they haven't been heavily invested in by a major promotion like the other four. Your whole argument is bordering on pathetic, tbh. thats totally awesome ...I completey agree
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 17, 2007 22:19:45 GMT -5
Way to add to the topic at hand... good on you -_- I guess with your head up Johnny Devine's soon to be released ass you can't see the sarcasm. Well I'm not a mind reader... a smilie always helps to indicate sarcasm. And I do hope they release Devine... then I would have 0 motive to watch TNA anymore... P.S. Punctuation is your friend
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Post by Master Lewpac on Aug 18, 2007 3:17:09 GMT -5
Are you done? You come on here talking about bitching and complaining, but read your entire post, and tell me you're not doing exactly what you're saying you hate. You are doing nothing more than bitching and complaining about well, bitching and complaining.. Then, your short attention span drifts away, and you begin talking about Alex Shelley and Petey Williams.. See, the fact is, and I want all you little kids who think you know all the answers, to sit down, shut up, and listen. www.wrestlingfigs.com is, was, and always will be a FORUM. Now, if you dont know what a forum is, let me fill you in. See, a Forum is a place on the internet where people go and discuss topics, expressing OPPINIONS, and things of that nature. Now, if you dont understand what Im getting at, then let me spell it out for you in plain old english.. IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ ALL THESE POSTS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE "BITCHING" GET THE OUT OF WF. WF IS A FORUM WHERE OPPINIONS ARE EXPRESSED. IT IS EVERYONE'S RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPPINION, AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TRYING TO SHUT THEM DOWN EVERY TIME THEY SAY SOMETHING. JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT AGREE, OR FEEL THE NEED TO BE A "HERO" AND TRY TO SOUND SMART, WHEN IN ACTUALLITY YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK EVEN MORE OF AN ASS THAN BEFORE. WRESTLING FANS WILL ALWAYS HATE AND LOVE THE PRODUCT. ITS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY, AND ALWAYS WILL BE THAT WAY. LEARN TO ACCEPT IT, AND GET OVER IT. TRUST ME, YOU WONT COME ACROSS AS SUCH A DOUCHE WHEN YOU FINALLY DO. Now that im done with all those caps.. Let me just say, Cheers to you Ripper, Very well put.
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Post by taker1 on Aug 18, 2007 7:24:32 GMT -5
Seriously, the TNA defenders have become 5x worse than the TNA complainers..
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Post by ihatebenoit on Aug 18, 2007 11:48:28 GMT -5
And they wonder why wrestling fans have a reputation as total ing morons. Every last one of you missed the point, as I figured you would, since only about 3 people who post here have a brain that actually ing works. I never once said on this board. I was talking about internet "Fans" (and that term is a joke) as a whole. It is craplike all of this that is why Mr. McMahon, Dixie Carter and Jeff Jarrett ignore the internet. Because they claim they love the business so much, and yet do nothing but complain about it. Maybe if you would take the product for what it is ENTERTAINMENT, instead of over-analyzing every little ing thing, you would enjoy it. Stop masturbating to Shelley and Sabin and all the other vanilla midgets in the world and just enjoy the business for what it is. There is a reason it is World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT and TNA ENTERTAINMENT LLC. ing idiots.
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Post by Heresy on Aug 18, 2007 14:38:36 GMT -5
You can eat up everything WWE and TNA feeds you... some people do that and I have no problems with it. But the other half of that 'ENTERTAINMENT' you love to emphasize is 'SPORTS.' All sports... from Basketball to Football to Baseball to Boxing... have been analyzed, performance of talent has been measured, and business decisions have been questioned. You seem to think these qualities are unique to just wrestling fans. Just like NFL, MLB, or NBA fans... some watch just to enjoy the game, and others watch to know all the individual players stats and know who's going to be traded where, etc. Instead of stooping to petty namecalling, I suggest you learn to respect people's different views on this board or you might as well practice what you preach... don't like it? Leave it, end of.
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