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Post by Sleazyness on Jan 31, 2014 0:44:32 GMT -5
I see this issue being the fault of both parties. WWE has done nothing with Punk since WrestleMania 29. He feuded with Lesnar, lost and then had a long drawn out forgetful feud with Heyman/Axel/Ryback. I mean not even a rematch with Lesnar? Come on man! Yet while I do not blame Punk for his super downgrade on the spot of the card, unless its written in your contract you are not guaranteed the main event of WrestleMania. Bottom line is he is not a bigger draw than Rock and it was obvious Cena/Rock was planned for 2 matches. I feel for him with the resentment towards part timers because it is total bs. But I feel like him feuding with HHH would have been a more featured match on Mania than Orton/Batista even if it goes on last. The real shame here is that he kinda screwed the fans over and the company is in disaster mode (which I hope is a wake up call). If anybody should be mad its Daniel Bryan, this guy deserved the main event match for the title and honestly, if he does not leave NOLA with the title (and unfortunately he wont) it is the biggest missed opportunity in WM history, even bigger than Flair/Hogan; Austin/Hogan, etc...... This year should have been the year of transition with the future going over on all aspects of Mania. The lack of new legitimate STARS is scary. I dont think Cena/Orton will be around much longer and all the other part timers either......I feel like its now or never and the WWE is playing chicken on the creation of now stars. Complacency does not guarantee a healthy future gentlemen This is hands down the best post I've seen on this thread. I agree with everything said here. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 31, 2014 0:54:35 GMT -5
Punk shouldn't have closed Mania 28 because Rock vs Cena was a monster match. That being said, Rock vs Cena shouldn't of happened twice. I think Punk vs Rock at Mania 29 would have done the same buyrate. Then we could have seen Cena vs Taker, which would have been great to get and extremely believable in terms of threatening the streak. If Punk gets his main event at Mania last year then he would have been much happier going into his match with Taker, which could of happened this year. Punk vs Rock Cena vs Taker Sells the exact same amount of PPVs imo and Rock could have ended Punk's reign of terror at Mania in front of the World, when everyone was paying attention. If we're going down the route of no Cena/Rock II personally i would've had Punk lose the WWE Championship to Cena in the Main Event. That way Cena finally beats Punk in a big match on the biggest show of the year. That could have worked too. I was just thinking break up the two high profile matches in Taker and Rock for $ purposes. I still think we'll see Cena vs Punk in the Mania main event at some point. They had a ton of matches though in 2011 and 2012. So I'm in favor of giving the audience a break from it and then hit everyone hard with it leading into Mania in a year or two. Doesn't matter who wins. When those two get in the ring we're all winners imo. |
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Post by jnavo217 on Jan 31, 2014 1:13:21 GMT -5
What if Hogan offered to comeback somewhere in between 1996-early 1998? We would be listening to the same story but it would be Austin and Rock instead of Punk and Bryan. Comparison is silly. Stone Cold was two years into his WWF contract in early 1998 and just won his first Rumble. The Rock was just over a year into his, and was Intercontinental level. They were both relatively new guys on the rise. Daniel Bryan has been in WWE for four years, and has already held multiple World titles and main-evented multiple PPVs. CM Punk has been in WWE (main roster) for almost eight years, and has held many World titles (including a year-long reign) and main-evented multiple PPVs. They are not rookies waiting for a shot. They are main-eventers who do not draw enough money for WWE to not need part-time megastars. WrestleMania is not an Employee of the Year awards show. You don't get the main event for being Mr No Days Off. You get the main event by being the guys that the company can sell the most pay-per-views with. CM Punk has never been that guy, and given his physical condition and general decline in the quality of his work, he never will be. It's like when people say Ted DiBiase or Mr Perfect "should have been world champion" -- they shouldn't, because in their era, they were never the best choice to be world champion. Similar thing with CM Punk. There has never been a WrestleMania where he should've main-evented over the guys that did. Daniel Bryan, maybe one day. Maybe even this year, depending on how the build-up goes. I'd have him vs Triple H with the stipulation that if he wins, he gets put into the title match. Then I'd have him win the title to close the show. Dude you always talk about merchandise and how nobody can "sell" but John Cena or how Batista will outsell at mania better than punk or bryan would, but do you not realize that these people ALSO have 8000000000000 items to buy? Have you seen the selection of stuff to buy for Daniel Bryan? He has 3 t-shirts, not 17,000 you can't see me in different colored shirts, of course cena is going to sell more stuff when he is getting more stuff MADE. When Punk got some new stuff made for him, he took over the top spot from cena! I know you're a die hard obsessive John Cena guy, but nobody is going to outsell the guy that is shoved down our throats and has a million items to choose from, And as far as selling for PPV's, you do honestly think anybody gives a damn about batista? The rock sold vs Cena b/c IT'S THE ROCK, he could be the most popular superstar EVER, I agree that Mania 28 needed to be rock/cena, but 29? NO WAY!!! Have the Rock fight Punk there for the belt, it'd STILL sell...bringing back batista to take a spot of punk/bryan/ziggler/sandow or ANYBODY else who busts their ass every week for us fans, ya, i'd be pissed and walk out too... The biggest thing to take from this is that Batista, brought in as a face, has quickly become the biggest heel in the last 5 years...if he main events with orton, the buy-rates will certainly be absurdly low and then what will your argument be? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 1:13:24 GMT -5
So, I think it's very possible this could be a work. When Punk was leaving ROH, he told them that it would leak that he was leaving and they played right into it. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was leading to him returning to face Triple H at Mania. Let it get out that he left the company and went home, leading everyone to buy into the story, only for him to return. I could be wrong, but like I said, I wouldn't be shocked. They could keep going with no mention at all of him, playing into it being legit. Then have him return Matt Hardy style, doing something to make it appear legit, only to be hauled away by security.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 31, 2014 1:29:10 GMT -5
Dude you always talk about merchandise and how nobody can "sell" but John Cena or how Batista will outsell at mania better than punk or bryan would, but do you not realize that these people ALSO have 8000000000000 items to buy? Have you seen the selection of stuff to buy for Daniel Bryan? He has 3 t-shirts, not 17,000 you can't see me in different colored shirts, of course cena is going to sell more stuff when he is getting more stuff MADE. When Punk got some new stuff made for him, he took over the top spot from cena! I know you're a die hard obsessive John Cena guy, but nobody is going to outsell the guy that is shoved down our throats and has a million items to choose from, And as far as selling for PPV's, you do honestly think anybody gives a damn about batista? The rock sold vs Cena b/c IT'S THE ROCK, he could be the most popular superstar EVER, I agree that Mania 28 needed to be rock/cena, but 29? NO WAY!!! Have the Rock fight Punk there for the belt, it'd STILL sell...bringing back batista to take a spot of punk/bryan/ziggler/sandow or ANYBODY else who busts their ass every week for us fans, ya, i'd be pissed and walk out too... The biggest thing to take from this is that Batista, brought in as a face, has quickly become the biggest heel in the last 5 years...if he main events with orton, the buy-rates will certainly be absurdly low and then what will your argument be?  There's a reason that they make more Cena merchandise than they do for anyone else. I'll wait and see if you can figure out the reason for yourself. As a hint, it's the same reason that Stone Cold had more merchandise than anyone else back in '98-99. CM Punk already said in interviews that he had no problem with Batista coming back, so dry your eyes about Batista. And don't kid yourself that scrubs like Sandow and Ziggler would be main eventing if Batista didn't come back. They wouldn't. It would just be more Cena vs Orton borefests, because those two against each other have been selling way more tickets to house shows than the Punk/Bryan shows have (despite the Punk/Bryan shows usually being cheaper). If WWE had confidence that the current roster was sufficient to sell WrestleMania/the network/etc, then they wouldn't turn to the likes of Batista, The Rock and Brock Lesnar in the first place. The WrestleMania buyrate this year will be way down because a lot of the WrestleMania buyers will instead purchase the network rather than the PPV. And bringing back the second biggest star they've made since the attitude era is part of the drive to push the network. Basically, it comes down to the simple fact: If you can't prove you're the money man for the other eleven months of the year, then you've got no excuse to bitch when the company needs to bring in outside help for the biggest show of the year. You can like whichever wrestlers you like, but it's silly to convince yourself that you liking them means they're the biggest name in the world. I much prefer Punk and Bryan to The Rock -- but I've got the sense to realise which of the three is the clear best choice for WrestleMania main eventer. |
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Post by bigshab421 on Jan 31, 2014 6:47:04 GMT -5
^^^ It is WWE's fault that they do not rely on their full time talent to carry the company.
Aside from Cena and Orton, who have they given a legitimate chance to become a top player? Nobody. Half the guys on the roster are on the verge of breaking through as stars but WWE just will not run with it.
How many guys habe been ruined by inconsistent booking, stop and start feuds and horrible character direction? Let me help you:
Daniel Bryan (he has gotten over despite).
Ryback
Ziggler
Sandow
Kofi kingston
Wade Barrett
MVP
Prime Time Players
Jack Swagger
Cody Rhodes
I mean come on now, the number of guys simply getting screwed over is out of hand
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