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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2014 2:52:32 GMT -5
Everybody is barking up the wrong tree here... it's nothing to do with Batista - in fact, Punk told Ariel Helwani that he's glad Batista's back because unlike the Rock, he's back for the long term, and besides they're friends. No, there is one thing behind this, and that is the ridiculous "YESmovement and Bryan's sudden rise in popularity. It has obviously dawned on Punk, that from this point onwards, he is going to play second-fiddle not only to Cena, but now to Bryan as well. He knows that Bryan has usurped him in the eyes of the management, and they will value him more, and for a man as proud and passionate as Punk, that will be hard for him to accept... so rather than stay and watch while Bryan gets everything Punk has worked his entire career for, yet has been denied - we're talking mainly the top spot and the main-event of WM - he's decided to cut his losses and walk away now. I suspect one of the reasons behind this is to avoid ruining his friendship with Bryan, because if Bryan gets added to the main-event of WM, while Punk is put in a throwaway match, then that is only going to make Punk more resentful and bitter towards both the company and possibly Bryan. Now some may view this as Punk acting like a jealous, selfish, entitled, spoilt brat - or as some of the know-alls in this thread have tagged him, a "crybaby bitch", and he might well be, but it is what it is, and sometimes human nature takes over and self-preservation mode kicks in. It puts Punk in an awkward position, because while Bryan is his friend and he wants to be pleased for him, he doesn't want to lose his own spot - a spot he's worked his arse off for... and that's what's happened. Anyone would feel the same way, if it happened to them. The sad thing about all this, is that it shouldn't matter if Bryan main-events WM, or takes Cena's spot, 'cos Punk should've already achieved his goal and main-evented WM, either in 2011 or last year, but as usual, he was shunted aside - last year for the crappy Rock/Cena rematch, and of course overlooked in 2011, in favour of that turd Miz - something Punk has never forgotten, and rightly so, because that was a disgrace. Furthermore, Punk should've taken Cena's spot in 2011, but the office wouldn't allow it. The bottom line, is that a few instances aside, they've never given Punk his due. Despite clearly being the best talent in the company, by a country mile, he's never been viewed as such by management, he's always been second choice and always had to take a back seat to Cena, even when he was champ for over a year. He wasn't allowed to debut the new title, because that honour went to Dwayne, and they probably told him he can't induct Warrior into the HOF. There's only so many slaps in the face you can take and the WM situation is the last straw, so he's thought "  it, enough's enough" - and you can't really blame him, even though us fans are going to be deprived of seeing the best in the world, work his magic over the next six months. I really dont agree with you one bit. From what I've seen from Punk, he wanted Bryan to be a success almost as much as himself. With that I cant see him being upset theyre sorta almost pushing Bryan. And, how is Punk watching everything he has worked hard for being given to Bryan when A) Bryan has worked probably worked harder for this and B) They havent given anything to him, if anything they have tried to deny Bryan of any success but the WWE Universe will not allow this to happen. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jan 30, 2014 3:05:55 GMT -5
Everybody is barking up the wrong tree here... it's nothing to do with Batista - in fact, Punk told Ariel Helwani that he's glad Batista's back because unlike the Rock, he's back for the long term, and besides they're friends. No, there is one thing behind this, and that is the ridiculous "YESmovement and Bryan's sudden rise in popularity. It has obviously dawned on Punk, that from this point onwards, he is going to play second-fiddle not only to Cena, but now to Bryan as well. He knows that Bryan has usurped him in the eyes of the management, and they will value him more, and for a man as proud and passionate as Punk, that will be hard for him to accept... so rather than stay and watch while Bryan gets everything Punk has worked his entire career for, yet has been denied - we're talking mainly the top spot and the main-event of WM - he's decided to cut his losses and walk away now. I suspect one of the reasons behind this is to avoid ruining his friendship with Bryan, because if Bryan gets added to the main-event of WM, while Punk is put in a throwaway match, then that is only going to make Punk more resentful and bitter towards both the company and possibly Bryan. Now some may view this as Punk acting like a jealous, selfish, entitled, spoilt brat - or as some of the know-alls in this thread have tagged him, a "crybaby bitch", and he might well be, but it is what it is, and sometimes human nature takes over and self-preservation mode kicks in. It puts Punk in an awkward position, because while Bryan is his friend and he wants to be pleased for him, he doesn't want to lose his own spot - a spot he's worked his arse off for... and that's what's happened. Anyone would feel the same way, if it happened to them. The sad thing about all this, is that it shouldn't matter if Bryan main-events WM, or takes Cena's spot, 'cos Punk should've already achieved his goal and main-evented WM, either in 2011 or last year, but as usual, he was shunted aside - last year for the crappy Rock/Cena rematch, and of course overlooked in 2011, in favour of that turd Miz - something Punk has never forgotten, and rightly so, because that was a disgrace. Furthermore, Punk should've taken Cena's spot in 2011, but the office wouldn't allow it. The bottom line, is that a few instances aside, they've never given Punk his due. Despite clearly being the best talent in the company, by a country mile, he's never been viewed as such by management, he's always been second choice and always had to take a back seat to Cena, even when he was champ for over a year. He wasn't allowed to debut the new title, because that honour went to Dwayne, and they probably told him he can't induct Warrior into the HOF. There's only so many slaps in the face you can take and the WM situation is the last straw, so he's thought " it, enough's enough" - and you can't really blame him, even though us fans are going to be deprived of seeing the best in the world, work his magic over the next six months. This is the most interesting theory I've seen on this topic. I can see Punk's disappointment if they do end up booking Bryan for WM (which is still massively up in the air) and I generally get his disappointment with never getting the WM nod when guys like Miz have, but other stuff... not so much. If Punk can't handle the success of another talent on par with his own (in-ring), who's had a similar road as his (professionally), who over a long time has worked just as hard, and seen up till this point less reward, than I'd lose just of bit of respect for him. As a friend he should be happy for Bryan, especially considering their indie roots.. yeah, I get some of the jealousy, but if he was booked for a match with HHH at mania, where he'd no doubt go over, I don't see it as a downgrade. There is room for both of them. I want and choose to believe his "leaving", if that's even truly happened, is because he's mad about his own status and the fact that Bryan was up in the air (considering the Rumble situation and rumors that Bryan would have to face Shaemus) when he should be getting a better push. Thanks for this post. |
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Post by Edge618 on Jan 30, 2014 3:14:35 GMT -5
For everyone crying breach of contract , none of us have any idea what his contract is or is not, we don't know what kind of creative control he has or if he can veto doing certain storylines. Just wait.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jan 30, 2014 3:18:32 GMT -5
Wow, if this isn't the most unproductive, smarmy, condescending tone I've read so far today, I don't know what is. Jesus christ. He represents the other extremist, the one who goes out of his way to hate on other fans. Nah, he's simply smarmy and condescending by nature. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 4:01:25 GMT -5
I hope this is a work. Mainly because of it isn't Punk will be held for breaching his contract and will also be blacklisted and his legacy will known only by those who care enough to remember. He may have gotten too bitter and lost sight of how lucky he has been over the past three years, but I think he deserved to be higher than what he was. Or for lack of a better explanation, Orton should have been lower than where he is after Punk's pipebomb. Punk was a breath of fresh air and even though he wasn't as into it as he once was he was still putting on amazing performances. Though, there are silver linings maybe he can do some things for ROH, work with Gabe with Evolve, give us a sweet tell all on AOW, or rest away some of that bitterness on his couch in Chicago. As well, maybe the WWE will treat some of these fan favorites a little better.
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Post by Justin on Jan 30, 2014 5:04:54 GMT -5
Be prepared for the new wwe DVD "The Self-Destruction of CM Punk" where most of the roster will take shots at him like they did to Warrior
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 5:44:54 GMT -5
its starting to look genuine.
also a note on this thread.....its time to get a little but less excited when someone doesn't agree with your opinions everyone.
if not this gets locked.
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Post by jessem52 on Jan 30, 2014 8:44:22 GMT -5
So the last memory of cm punk will be him being chokeslammed through a table by pants wearing kane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 8:47:39 GMT -5
its starting to look genuine. also a note on this thread.....its time to get a little but less excited when someone doesn't agree with your opinions everyone. if not this gets locked. That's just typical WF though. Which is why I haven't bothered even going through this thread at all. I know it's just a bunch of arguing without even looking through it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 9:14:43 GMT -5
Its sounds like Batista winning the Rumble is the main reason Punk went home..... Don't know if Fox is the most reliable source for wrestling news though......TMZ is also saying Batista is the main reaosn |
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Post by Sam on Jan 30, 2014 9:15:06 GMT -5
Not going to lie, this has been the only thing over the past year that has me interesting in seeing what happens. I haven't watched much of the product over the last year, probably the last full Raw I watched was the Raw following SummerSlam. Since then, I've recorded each episode and watched what interested me, which hasn't been a lot. I can't fully put blame to people like Triple H and Vince McMahon like everyone seems to do when something they don't like happens. Sure, they will be the guys that will make the last call on things, but there are other voices and ideas that come from the back that we don't know of. Remember, WWE always like to play it safe, even when things like Bryan's popularity is shouting right in their face.
Also, if you think about it, if WWE listened and went with Bryan at his popularity now, those same people will likely complain at the fact that they overuse Bryan and that they aren't focusing on someone else who is making noise that they like. Its a circle that has been going on for a long time now. Someone gets popular or someone from the Indy's that they hire make noise, WWE will act on it, then people will start to get disinterested and move on to the new guy.
As for Punk, this can only end two ways. He resolves whatever issue(s) he has with the company privately and continue to when his current deal ends or, if they can also rope in a contract extension, then to possibly next WrestleMania (were he can finally main event the pay-per-view for once) or he can commit to walking out, which he will probably later regret doing, like Austin in 2002, as I can't see where he can go besides Japan I guess.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 30, 2014 9:20:58 GMT -5
Ya know what? Good. Where ever he goes gets a lot of attention right away. This could be a blessing in disguise.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Jan 30, 2014 9:25:00 GMT -5
Man, forget all the theories. Forget all the reasons as to why he left or any of that. All I know is that this sucks. As a fan, this sucks. Even for people who don't care if Punk is around or not. Everything about this situation sucks. It's terrible that things are in such a position to drive a top star to walk off the job. It's even worse that WWE aka the only Pro Wrestling that exists to about 95% of the world is making headlines on news staples like Fox and MSN. This isn't the kind of press I enjoy reading and getting as a fan of what we all love. The last thing we need is another "Scandal", and that's all this is to outsiders who don't really understand wrestling the way the fans do.
I'm not gonna take a side because I don't want to. I just wished that A. He never left, or B. He left in a more professional manner.
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Post by T R W on Jan 30, 2014 9:29:12 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this is real. But I am also pretty sure that cooler heads will prevail later, and I fully expect this to be turned into an angle at or after WM just like they did last time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 10:03:36 GMT -5
Its sounds like Batista winning the Rumble is the main reason Punk went home..... Don't know if Fox is the most reliable source for wrestling news though......TMZ is also saying Batista is the main reaosn With all due respect, we can't trust news outlets to get a story correct, especially since most are copy/paste articles with no journalistic evidence of their own. TMZ has nothing relevant or new. They have a producer that is a well known wrestling fan & when he heard about this, they did a copy & paste article with less info than the dirt sheet sites. I have nothing against the guy at TMZ, but they haven't contacted anyone to verify the story or anything. So, I'm not saying it isn't true, but the article is a bit lacking in facts..only speculative in nature. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 30, 2014 10:05:19 GMT -5
I made the mistake of reading some of the comments after that article. My fault... Just goes to show how a lot of the "outside world" still views pro wrestling I guess.  |
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Post by philly boi on Jan 30, 2014 10:08:02 GMT -5
I imagine the fans aren't gonna allow this to go under the radar. Prepare for the CM Punk chants on RAW.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 10:12:11 GMT -5
Man, forget all the theories. Forget all the reasons as to why he left or any of that. All I know is that this sucks. As a fan, this sucks. Even for people who don't care if Punk is around or not. Everything about this situation sucks. It's terrible that things are in such a position to drive a top star to walk off the job. It's even worse that WWE aka the only Pro Wrestling that exists to about 95% of the world is making headlines on news staples like Fox and MSN. This isn't the kind of press I enjoy reading and getting as a fan of what we all love. The last thing we need is another "Scandal", and that's all this is to outsiders who don't really understand wrestling the way the fans do. I'm not gonna take a side because I don't want to. I just wished that A. He never left, or B. He left in a more professional manner. Honestly, I don't see a match against HHH at Mania in a huge storyline as being something to complain about (if I'm Punk). That's really a more high profile match than the title in my eyes. I'm not saying he doesn't have to have that opinion, or that there aren't other things to be mad about. I'm just saying, unless he thought he'd be burried...would he really be upset about that? If so, it's his opinion, but that angle/match is nothing to be upset about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 10:46:01 GMT -5
Hey, have you guys read latest story on Punk, on this one site? It's a blogspot, but the person really nailed it.
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