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Post by mikey1974 on Feb 15, 2014 7:24:36 GMT -5
..the urban legend of this has been going around for decades. basically someone screwed up, and Valentine ended up accidentally pinning Backlund for the WWF Championship! not sure if Valentine didn't roll off in time, or Backlund forgot to kick out or raise a shoulder,or the timekeeper forgot to ring the bell before the 3-count for a time-limit draw...I've heard all 3 stories. but Valentine DID pin Baclund's shoulders to the mat for the 3-count. the WWF went into panic mode,and scheduled a quick rematch a couple days later where Backlund won and "regained" his Championship,even though the WWF never acknowledged that a title change took place,even to this day. it "never happened", similar to Inoki's win over Backlund (which WWE later did acknowledge) or Luger's TV Tapings as WWF Champion... but it did. and for the first time I've found an actual picture for proof. I don't know if anyone else saw this pic before,but it's new to me:  what could have been.... |
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Post by marino13 on Feb 15, 2014 8:01:31 GMT -5
I never heard any of this. But man, that's just crazy! Thanks for the info, cause I love learning something new about wrestling's past.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 8:07:12 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Mikey!!
the Hammer was "one hell of a mechanic" to quote ol Stone Cold.
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Feb 15, 2014 9:23:32 GMT -5
Hmmm, this Just changes everything, Now I have to add Valentine to my shelf of wwf champions...Do we have any video or pictures of luger with the title?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 9:49:06 GMT -5
I thought the Luger thing was false?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 10:02:10 GMT -5
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Post by mikey1974 on Feb 15, 2014 10:33:35 GMT -5
it's amazing when you think of how they used to be able to get away with stuff like this, pretending match results or championship changes didn't take place.
like Flair's "loss" to Jack Veneno when they went to the time-limit draw,but the fans stormed the ring thinking their local hero became World Champ,and Flair got the hell out of dodge for his own safety. then Flair lost AGAIN when they faced off a little while later because the army units near the ring were going to shoot Roddy Piper for interfering! so Flair took the pin,but took the Belt with him when he left this time,and that NWA Title switch and "successful" defense by Veneno in the Dominican Republic never took place!
here's a good one too,which I recently learned about - when Rick Rude jumped to the WWF in 1987,he was still 1/2 of the NWA World Tag Team Champions with Manny Fernandez. to deal with this, they aired an old tape showing the Rock & Roll Express beating Rude & Manny in a non-Title match that never aired,and suddenly Morton & Gibson were World Tag Team Champions again!
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Post by ricflair4ever on Feb 15, 2014 10:50:12 GMT -5
it's amazing when you think of how they used to be able to get away with stuff like this, pretending match results or championship changes didn't take place. like Flair's "loss" to Jack Veneno when they went to the time-limit draw,but the fans stormed the ring thinking their local hero became World Champ,and Flair got the hell out of dodge for his own safety. then Flair lost AGAIN when they faced off a little while later because the army units near the ring were going to shoot Roddy Piper for interfering! so Flair took the pin,but took the Belt with him when he left this time,and that NWA Title switch and "successful" defense by Veneno in the Dominican Republic never took place! here's a good one too,which I recently learned about - when Rick Rude jumped to the WWF in 1987,he was still 1/2 of the NWA World Tag Team Champions with Manny Fernandez. to deal with this, they aired an old tape showing the Rock & Roll Express beating Rude & Manny in a non-Title match that never aired,and suddenly Morton & Gibson were World Tag Team Champions again! I knew Rude split as tag champion, but didn't know that's how it was handled on tv..thanks for the info. As for Valentine, I heard the version of the story regarding a draw. Never put much thought into it other than it being just that.....a story. However, seeing this pic for the first time is an eye opener. Thanks for posting that. Even if unofficial, he did have a world title strapped around his waist for a minute. More than most of that time ever got to accomplish. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Feb 15, 2014 10:53:39 GMT -5
the picture makes me wonder if they thought about having him officially hold the Belt. cause - being a mistake - they easily could've and should've just taken the Belt right off him when he got backstage,but apparently he had physical possession of the Belt for at least a little while.
I do know,when they had the rematch,Valentine didn't have the Belt with him. I'm not sure if Backlund did either,though.
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Post by Raine on Feb 15, 2014 10:59:28 GMT -5
What about the time Owen Hart became WWF Champion?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 10:59:44 GMT -5
Luger said in an interview that it never happened and that the picture was a fake. Someone could have photoshopped it from a picture of him holding a tag title (which happened on the hart attack tour in 94 teaming with Razor). I really wish it had happened though. I still say that Luger not getting the title at Summerslam 93 was a huge mistake . |
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Feb 15, 2014 11:32:45 GMT -5
ok, where the hell have i been? 1. I heard luger grabbed the title from Yoko at a tv taping, and ran back into the ring to celebrate with the fans..but didnt actually win the title, so the pic could have came from that 2. when the hell was that match with owen and bret?
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Post by speaktomeworriers on Feb 15, 2014 11:33:36 GMT -5
I think we need a thread with for all these "wins" and urban legends and stuff
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 11:44:59 GMT -5
Haha!
Oops. I've never heard of this!
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Post by jakksking1 on Feb 15, 2014 12:33:54 GMT -5
There is of course the famous Rockers incident who held the tag titles and defended them at least once, but never acknowledged on tv
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 15, 2014 13:16:36 GMT -5
Don't forget about the Rougeau Brothers who won the tag belts in 87 in Montreal from the Hart Foundation and then the next day, the Harts were back to being tag champs.
I remember in 1985, Sheik and Volkoff lost the tag belts to Windham and Rotunda on a house show loop cause one of them forgot to kick out. So the following day, Sheik and Volkoff won them back, but it was never mentioned.
Men On A Mission won the tag belts from The Quebecers too, because Mabel fell on one of them and they couldn't kick out in time, so that's how MOM won their tag belts. They of course lost them two days later back to The Quebecers.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 15, 2014 13:29:26 GMT -5
Thats a heck of a find. At first I wondered if it was actually Valentine holding an old NWA Tag title, as they looked very similar but when he was tag champs with Flair the belts were a different mold, almost the size of a hand. So that certainly is the WWF Title
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 15, 2014 14:13:26 GMT -5
WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - October 19, 1981 (18,120)
WWF World Champion Bob Backlund fought Greg Valentine to a no contest at 19:32; Backlund scored the pin when Valentine fell over after putting Backlund in an airplane spin but dazed referee John Stanley gave the title to Valentine and raised his hand as the winner after Backlund's leg knocked Stanley out during the airplane spin and Stanley thought Valentine had scored the pin, since both wore black tights; after the bout, several officials and NY State Athletic commissioners came to the ring and it was announced no decision would be rendered and the title would be held up pending further investigation; the title controversy was only a factor in NYC as Backlund continued to defend the title until the following month's Texas Death Match rematch.
WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - November 23, 1981 (21,104)
Bob Backlund (w/ Arnold Skaaland) pinned Greg Valentine to win the vacant WWF World Heavyweight title at 15:36 with a German suplex into a bridge after avoiding a punch; in a move that was only recognized in the NYC area, the championship was vacated the previous month when the referee accidentally handed Valentine the title following his loss to Backlund; prior to the bout, the Grand Wizard escorted Valentine to the ring.
There is what went down apparently!
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Post by Danger10 on Feb 15, 2014 15:57:15 GMT -5
I think we need a thread with for all these "wins" and urban legends and stuff I 2nd this |
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Post by mikey1974 on Feb 15, 2014 16:42:00 GMT -5
I think we need a thread with for all these "wins" and urban legends and stuff I 2nd this let's do it! |
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