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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 21:50:01 GMT -5
This afternoon, on a party-line 17-13 vote, Republicans in the Arizona Senate bucked the national trend and gave final approval to SB 1062, a GOP-led bill that would create a special "right" to discriminate against LGBT people on the basis of religion. Under the bill, which was introduced by Republican State Senator Steve Yarbrough, individuals and businesses would be granted the legal right to refuse services to people or groups if they claimed that doing so would "substantially burden" their freedom of religion. In interviews with local media, Yarbrough made it perfectly clear that the specific purpose of this bill is to legitimize discrimination against the LGBT community. But during today's nearly two-hour-long debate, Yarbrough took a different tack, claiming that the basic rights of LGBT people victimize anti-LGBT Christians. "This bill is not about allowing discrimination. This bill is about preventing discrimination against people who are clearly living out their faith." Arizona Senate Democratic Leader Anna Tovar condemned the legislation in a statement released shortly after the vote. It's after the jump. "SB 1062 permits discrimination under the guise of religious freedom. With the express consent of Republicans in this Legislature, many Arizonans will find themselves members of a separate and unequal class under this law because of their sexual orientation. This bill may also open the door to discriminate based on race, familial status, religion, sex, national origin, age or disability. "Legislation of this kind has been attempted this year in Kansas, South Dakota, Tennessee and Idaho. Each of those attempts failed after prominent members of the business community spoke against the measures. While our state continues to recover from the public relations nightmare of SB 1070, the Republican supporters of this bill are willing to elicit the inevitable backlash and boycotts that will result from its passage. "Arizona does not need this bill, Arizonans do not want this bill and there is no place for this bill in our modern society. We have come too far to turn back the clock with such a disgraceful assault on members of our community based on their sexual orientation." The language in Yarbrough's bill is so broad that it could also potentially allow individuals and businesses to discriminate against other protected groups, including unmarried women and non-Christians. A companion bill is pending before the Arizona House and could come up for a vote anytime. It reportedly stands a good chance of passing Read more at www.bilerico.com/2014/02/breaking_az_senate_passes_right_to_discriminate_bi.php#LEsPOxBwfmQStsmO.99I can't believe something like this would pass in this day and age. And please, keep this clean....Looking at certain past members who usually get topics like this locked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 22:44:42 GMT -5
I'm absolutely appalled. I honestly can't believe it. What a terrible state.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 22:52:00 GMT -5
As disgusting as this is, I can't say I'm all that surprised considering some of Arizona's other laws. The state is still nice, but the politics ruin it.
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Post by slappy on Feb 21, 2014 22:59:29 GMT -5
Good. And no I'm not being sarcastic.
Hear all the time about a gay couple suing a florist or wedding photographer or whoever for not wanting to do business with them. Why should they be forced to provide that service?
Why give money to people who don't want to provide you with a service? Why force them to take your money? Wouldn't you rather spend your money some place that is happy to help rather than being forced by law to help?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 23:05:13 GMT -5
Good. And no I'm not being sarcastic. Hear all the time about a gay couple suing a florist or wedding photographer or whoever for not wanting to do business with them. Why should they be forced to provide that service? Why give money to people who don't want to provide you with a service? Why force them to take your money? Wouldn't you rather spend your money some place that is happy to help rather than being forced by law to help? Guess I know someone who isn't getting married. Anyway, it's quite possible that the only people who are available are unwilling, thus leaving the LGBT community incapable of having any options. I agree that they should choose people who are willing to work with, but if there's no option... Also, telling the world that you must do something is a step towards acceptance, especially with generations to come. This is the way with all equal rights movements. Very few people wanted to work with black people or women, but after it was forced and time went on, almost nobody even considers the idea of it being a problem.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 21, 2014 23:05:38 GMT -5
If you're pro or anti anything, then you're going to be anti or pro something else. You simply cant make everyone happy. Its not humanly possible. Just give me a big log cabin way up in the mountains away from the human race (although I would like them to run internet and cable up there) and let me never to have to pay taxes and leave me the alone until I die.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 23:08:46 GMT -5
If you're pro or anti anything, then you're going to be anti or pro something else. You simply cant make everyone happy. Its not humanly possible. Just give me a big log cabin way up in the mountains away from the human race (although I would like them to run internet and cable up there) and let me never to have to pay taxes and leave me the alone until I die. I'm not trying to antagonize you, but isn't going out of your way to talk to people to tell them you want to be left alone kind of counterproductive?
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Post by slappy on Feb 21, 2014 23:10:25 GMT -5
Good. And no I'm not being sarcastic. Hear all the time about a gay couple suing a florist or wedding photographer or whoever for not wanting to do business with them. Why should they be forced to provide that service? Why give money to people who don't want to provide you with a service? Why force them to take your money? Wouldn't you rather spend your money some place that is happy to help rather than being forced by law to help? Guess I know someone who isn't getting married. Anyway, it's quite possible that the only people who are available are unwilling, thus leaving the LGBT community incapable of having any options. I agree that they should choose people who are willing to work with, but if there's no option... Also, telling the world that you must do something is a step towards acceptance, especially with generations to come. This is the way with all equal rights movements. Very few people wanted to work with black people or women, but after it was forced and time went on, almost nobody even considers the idea of it being a problem. Even if I wanted to it's illegal in my state. They should figure something out then instead of forcing an unwilling participant to do it. Telling someone you must do something will make them harbor hatred. If they progress naturally they won't be as resentful.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 21, 2014 23:14:18 GMT -5
If you're pro or anti anything, then you're going to be anti or pro something else. You simply cant make everyone happy. Its not humanly possible. Just give me a big log cabin way up in the mountains away from the human race (although I would like them to run internet and cable up there) and let me never to have to pay taxes and leave me the alone until I die. I'm not trying to antagonize you, but isn't going out of your way to talk to people to tell them you want to be left alone kind of counterproductive? Well my "wishes" arent exactly realistic. If someone came to me and said "here's the keys to the cabin & its hooked up with TV and Internet".....you'd never see me again (not that you actually have) but you know. I deal with the public every day. I deal with stupid people every day. It gets old very quickly. The thought of waking up in the morning and knowing the only thing you have to do/have to worry about is going to bed that night.....sounds like heaven.
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Post by Colter on Feb 21, 2014 23:21:37 GMT -5
You'd figure in the politically correct society we live in today, this wouldn't pass.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 23:33:32 GMT -5
Glad it happened. I stand with Slappy! They come into my restaurant all the time to make out. It drives the normal customers away.
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Post by slappy on Feb 21, 2014 23:49:11 GMT -5
Glad it happened. I stand with Slappy! They come into my restaurant all the time to make out. It drives the normal customers away. lol normal But yeah, you should kick out anyone who is disturbing other customers, normal or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 1:25:00 GMT -5
Glad it happened. I stand with Slappy! They come into my restaurant all the time to make out. It drives the normal customers away. You realize you just agreed with a gay guy while bashing gay people, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 1:46:08 GMT -5
Glad it happened. I stand with Slappy! They come into my restaurant all the time to make out. It drives the normal customers away. You realize you just agreed with a gay guy while bashing gay people, right? It is NOT bashing...Man...Do all you liberals think that if someone disagrees with it then they are bashing? I don't agree with it. Never will. BUT...I have seen Torch Song Trilogy so I know what they are going through.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 1:50:15 GMT -5
You realize you just agreed with a gay guy while bashing gay people, right? It is NOT bashing...Man...Do all you liberals think that if someone disagrees with it then they are bashing? I don't agree with it. Never will. BUT...I have seen Torch Song Trilogy so I know what they are going through. You just called gay people abnormal, then defended it by saying they are wrong for being gay. But, you're right; you saw a movie so you're totally tolerant. I watched American History X, so now I'm a racist. Or, if you're talking about the play, I saw The Phantom of the Opera, so now I can play the pipe organ.
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Post by HHH316 on Feb 22, 2014 2:39:37 GMT -5
Wow, & I thought Illinois had a bunch of morons in office.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 2:47:07 GMT -5
This could open up a loophole to discriminate against anyone for anything on the basis of religious beliefs. Religion, race, color of your socks, if you were glasses, anything people can think of to deny people service.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2014 2:50:04 GMT -5
This could open up a loophole to discriminate against anyone for anything on the basis of religious beliefs. Religion, race, color of your socks, if you were glasses, anything people can think of to deny people service. Well, sock color is a legitimate issue. those argyle-wearing mother ers.
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Post by slappy on Feb 22, 2014 3:04:45 GMT -5
This could open up a loophole to discriminate against anyone for anything on the basis of religious beliefs. Religion, race, color of your socks, if you were glasses, anything people can think of to deny people service. Why would you want to give your money to someone who clearly doesn't want it?
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Post by Duck Holliday on Feb 22, 2014 3:14:03 GMT -5
This could open up a loophole to discriminate against anyone for anything on the basis of religious beliefs. Religion, race, color of your socks, if you were glasses, anything people can think of to deny people service. Well, sock color is a legitimate issue. those argyle-wearing mother ers. He buddy, back off. I LOVE ARGYLE! Also, argyle is not a color.
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