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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 10:24:33 GMT -5
Has there ever been a guy in any of the big three whose had more face/heel turns? Kane?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 10:50:33 GMT -5
Two things: Big Show is a victim of the time in which he's active. He should be a huge attraction, but because he's on TV every week, he doesn't matter.
The way he's been booked is horrendous. He should be undefeated in the WWE until this very day. Have him in a big collision with say Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania 30, or 32 or whatever and have him go over him cleanly. That would instantaneously make a star. The guy lost the first match he ever had in WWE. Vince had no idea how to build a giant.
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Post by CrossRhodes on Mar 3, 2014 10:55:16 GMT -5
Big Derp. This is how I'll remember the Big Derp.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Mar 3, 2014 11:45:27 GMT -5
Two things: Big Show is a victim of the time in which he's active. He should be a huge attraction, but because he's on TV every week, he doesn't matter.
The way he's been booked is horrendous. He should be undefeated in the WWE until this very day. Have him in a big collision with say Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania 30, or 32 or whatever and have him go over him cleanly. That would instantaneously make a star. The guy lost the first match he ever had in WWE. Vince had no idea how to build a giant. The above quote = truth. Big Show is more talented, and has been for a longer time, than any of the giants before him. He's a rare talent. But his appearances haven't been spaced out for maximum impact like those of Andre. Thus, he's gone through stagnant periods despite his unusual athleticism and solid mic skills.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 12:01:43 GMT -5
Big Show has been booked horrifically since day 1 with Vince.
1) He looked like a cretin when he interfered on McMahons behalf @ IYH: St Valentines Day Massacre......costing Vinnie the match accidentally.
2) He was booked to lose to Austin straight away. Austin objected strenuously to this HUGE match being gave away on free TV with no build.....he suggested that it go to a no contest at least. But Vince said Wight was going down 123. It was a bad foreshadowing of the Invasion angle.
3) His WWF title reign was......astoundingly bad. I mean what on earth was happening in creative at this point.
4) He is then booked as a lackey of Shane O Macs......and booked to cry about the RR2000 for WEEKS.
5)he disappears because he was consuming so much Milk and fast food that he was spiralling out of control.....down to OVW for you Show.
6)Misses nearly the ENTIRE Invasion storylinje when he had a credible reason to be part of the weak Invaders.
7)Out of nowhere is declared a threat to Lesnar and is used as a vehicle to relieve Brock of the title. HOWEVER this is just a ruse and Show is played for an idiot AGAIN by Angle & Heyman.
He would not interest me again until his EXCELLENT series against Sheamus
I could go on all day. Also the irony here is incredible.....Vince loudly boasted for years that Bischoff had NO CLUE how to book Wight.....then Vince spent a decade sticking his favourite booking pen up Wight's ass.
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Post by HHH316 on Mar 3, 2014 12:02:27 GMT -5
Has there ever been a guy in any of the big three whose had more face/heel turns? Kane? No, I definitely think Big Show has had more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 12:03:55 GMT -5
The year Show faced Mayweather.....I think he turned at least 3 times that year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 14:55:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Show has never done anything for me.
I don't mean to dump on the guy but I just don't see "it" in him. Never have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 15:45:10 GMT -5
There is a lot of wrestlers that need a push!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 18:17:10 GMT -5
Two things: Big Show is a victim of the time in which he's active. He should be a huge attraction, but because he's on TV every week, he doesn't matter. The way he's been booked is horrendous. He should be undefeated in the WWE until this very day. Have him in a big collision with say Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania 30, or 32 or whatever and have him go over him cleanly. That would instantaneously make a star. The guy lost the first match he ever had in WWE. Vince had no idea how to build a giant. And if Big Show was undefeated for almost 16 years everyone would be on here bitching about how Big Show sucks and how stupid it is that he's undefeated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 18:40:57 GMT -5
Two things: Big Show is a victim of the time in which he's active. He should be a huge attraction, but because he's on TV every week, he doesn't matter. The way he's been booked is horrendous. He should be undefeated in the WWE until this very day. Have him in a big collision with say Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania 30, or 32 or whatever and have him go over him cleanly. That would instantaneously make a star. The guy lost the first match he ever had in WWE. Vince had no idea how to build a giant. And if Big Show was undefeated for almost 16 years everyone would be on here bitching about how Big Show sucks and how stupid it is that he's undefeated. Just like Goldberg
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 4, 2014 18:49:35 GMT -5
He's hit or miss
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 5, 2014 0:12:57 GMT -5
Big Show has yet to impress me in any way, shape or form. He's jumped from the top rope, flipped jeeps, holds the unofficial world record for most two man suplexes for an entire career, could do drop kicks at 500lbs, has cut excellent promos, & has had entire crowds of 20,000 people laughing with him, cheering him, booing, & or fearing him by design. He's had countless entertaining matches & moments. What more do you want?
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Post by K5 on Mar 5, 2014 0:20:16 GMT -5
IMO, the problem with Big Show is that they've never really given him the dominate monster run at the top that he should have had. I still think he's one of the best big men of all time and a great performer in any aspect, but had they just given him one, solid, six to twelve month run as an unstoppable force (not necessarily as champion the whole time) his legacy would feel a lot different to most fans. At this point, whenever Big Show comes out for a match, while you're not really expecting him to win every time, you're also not surprised when he loses. He also really suffered from the too much too soon curse. Being crowned WCW champion right out of the gate when no one really know who he was... I mean, where does a guy really go from there? summed up my take on it. i am not scared of the big show, but i should be. he's been watered down and while it's obviously hard to keep a giant fresh for years on end, they've reduced him to the wwe universe's big bear of the forest. it's brutal. when he returned in 2004 to feud with angle and initially had long hair - he destroyed angle and team angle, and i thought "finally, they're gonna book bigshow to look strong!"...(cena and eddie getting chokeslammed is awesome) ...but only a week later they tranquilized him and cut his hair. it was like what? and that was 10 YEARS AGO
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Post by King Richius on Mar 5, 2014 0:37:38 GMT -5
Big Show has yet to impress me in any way, shape or form. He's jumped from the top rope, flipped jeeps, holds the unofficial world record for most two man suplexes for an entire career, could do drop kicks at 500lbs, has cut excellent promos, & has had entire crowds of 20,000 people laughing with him, cheering him, booing, & or fearing him by design. He's had countless entertaining matches & moments. What more do you want? I love it whenever Big Show does a top rope move. He always has this look on his face like "What the hell am I doing up here?" before doing the move.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Mar 5, 2014 0:41:44 GMT -5
Seems like a legit career to me. In his prime he was a beast.
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Post by PJ on Mar 5, 2014 7:09:42 GMT -5
Making him look like a fool vs Mayweather and the Sumo wrestler at Mania didn't help him at all. Nor did making him baby New Year. Still he is the most athletic guy for his size and is very entertaining when not in one of those gimmick matches.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 10:13:46 GMT -5
Big Show has yet to impress me in any way, shape or form. He's jumped from the top rope, flipped jeeps, holds the unofficial world record for most two man suplexes for an entire career, could do drop kicks at 500lbs, has cut excellent promos, & has had entire crowds of 20,000 people laughing with him, cheering him, booing, & or fearing him by design. He's had countless entertaining matches & moments. What more do you want? He hasn't done any top rope or drop kick stuff since WCW. I can't remember one "excellent" promo from him either. Sorry, im just not a fan. I don't know what more you want me to say. He just doesn't impress me.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 5, 2014 18:56:17 GMT -5
He's jumped from the top rope, flipped jeeps, holds the unofficial world record for most two man suplexes for an entire career, could do drop kicks at 500lbs, has cut excellent promos, & has had entire crowds of 20,000 people laughing with him, cheering him, booing, & or fearing him by design. He's had countless entertaining matches & moments. What more do you want? He hasn't done any top rope or drop kick stuff since WCW. I can't remember one "excellent" promo from him either. Sorry, im just not a fan. I don't know what more you want me to say. He just doesn't impress me. He's been in two of the most famous super-plexes in WWE history with Brock Lesnar and Mark Henry. I won't swear to the event but I think it was at MITB 2011 or 2012 when he did a top rope elbow drop that evoked a rather loud "Randy Savage" chant. He doesn't do it often as he seems to save it for PPV matches but he has indeed gone a flyin' in WWE.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Mar 5, 2014 20:14:32 GMT -5
I always felt Taker and Kane being so consistent and loyal hurt him. Those are two big guys that were around constantly and were much better in the ring. Sure they're no big show when it relates to size but both had the same allure of being big monsters to fight against Austin, Rock, etc.
Him being a WCW guy didn't help him much initially either.
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