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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 6, 2014 0:37:40 GMT -5
He's jumped from the top rope, flipped jeeps, holds the unofficial world record for most two man suplexes for an entire career, could do drop kicks at 500lbs, has cut excellent promos, & has had entire crowds of 20,000 people laughing with him, cheering him, booing, & or fearing him by design. He's had countless entertaining matches & moments. What more do you want? He hasn't done any top rope or drop kick stuff since WCW. I can't remember one "excellent" promo from him either. Sorry, im just not a fan. I don't know what more you want me to say. He just doesn't impress me. That's not even remotely true. Secondly, if you're not impressed by Big Show, then your logic is distorted. He has proven himself to be among the most athletic wrestlers ever, let alone for someone who makes virtually everyone within 80lbs of him look slow & crippled by comparison, even though he's the oldest of the group. That last statement has been true since the day I started watching wrestling almost ten years ago. Secondly, Big Show has been holding back on purpose for years now. Since his return in 08 he's proven to be as agile as ever, but more mature in his execution. The average person isn't as half as athletic stamina wise even though their half his size, but no one would expect it out of a 40+ man who weighs almost a quarter of a ton. He's been keeping his matches on cruise control so he can extend his career. He only breaks out the good wine at Pay Per Views so to speak. He's meant to be a veteran giant. You have to remember that no man short Brock Lesnar at his peak could actually defeat Big Show in an actual wrestling contest. Even today. You see him as he wants you to see him. He only loses when he wants to lose. If he wasn't a nice guy, Big Show would be seen in one of two ways. The giant who was booted for not playing by the rules, or the giolath that didn't allow anyone to keep his spot on the mountain top warm.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 6, 2014 4:33:44 GMT -5
one thing to remember - he was HIGHLY athletic in the beginning of his career, then was literally told to stop doing that stuff. I remember hearing how he did a moonsault once at a house show,and when he got backstage Arn Anderson and others berated him for "not wrestling like a big man"...also hogan openly admitted that they took him out of WCW's Power Plant early so he didn't learn too much wrestling - "We didn't want him wrestling like a 180- pound wrestler. We wanted him wrestling like a 400 pound wrestler" , or something to that effect.
so right off the bat,there were efforts to slow him down and stagnate his skills.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 11:13:24 GMT -5
He hasn't done any top rope or drop kick stuff since WCW. I can't remember one "excellent" promo from him either. Sorry, im just not a fan. I don't know what more you want me to say. He just doesn't impress me. That's not even remotely true. Secondly, if you're not impressed by Big Show, then your logic is distorted. He has proven himself to be among the most athletic wrestlers ever, let alone for someone who makes virtually everyone within 80lbs of him look slow & crippled by comparison, even though he's the oldest of the group. That last statement has been true since the day I started watching wrestling almost ten years ago. Secondly, Big Show has been holding back on purpose for years now. Since his return in 08 he's proven to be as agile as ever, but more mature in his execution. The average person isn't as half as athletic stamina wise even though their half his size, but no one would expect it out of a 40+ man who weighs almost a quarter of a ton. He's been keeping his matches on cruise control so he can extend his career. He only breaks out the good wine at Pay Per Views so to speak. He's meant to be a veteran giant. You have to remember that no man short Brock Lesnar at his peak could actually defeat Big Show in an actual wrestling contest. Even today. You see him as he wants you to see him. He only loses when he wants to lose. If he wasn't a nice guy, Big Show would be seen in one of two ways. The giant who was booted for not playing by the rules, or the giolath that didn't allow anyone to keep his spot on the mountain top warm. Why does my logic have to be distorted? Just because my opinion differs from yours? What did I say that was so untrue? Did Big Show show signs of being very athletic for a big man during his WCW run? Yes, 20 years ago. Do I respect Big Show? Yes. Do I remember one Big Show promo? No. He's known more for spitting while talking than for anything he actually ever said. I'm being honest when I say I can't remember one Big Show promo where something he said made me think. Not to mention, his acting is bad to the point it's laughable. He's a giant. That's great. However that doesn't automatically blow my mind because he's a big guy. Wrestling is full of big guys, always has been. Very few have been above average in the ring. I don't care about his win/loss record. When he came to WWF he had to be "tutored" by Undertaker and eventually sent to developmental because he couldn't work and his attitude sucked. Again, I respect Big Show. I have no issues with him. Do I think he's great? No. Would I buy a "Best of Big Show" matches DVD? No. Has he ever impressed me outside of some athletic stuff he did in WCW or by being big? Not really. I'm sorry my opinion differs from yours but I'm not going to pretend I feel something that I don't. I also will not apologize for being honest about my feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 11:50:54 GMT -5
He hasn't done any top rope or drop kick stuff since WCW. I can't remember one "excellent" promo from him either. Sorry, im just not a fan. I don't know what more you want me to say. He just doesn't impress me. That's not even remotely true. Secondly, if you're not impressed by Big Show, then your logic is distorted. He has proven himself to be among the most athletic wrestlers ever, let alone for someone who makes virtually everyone within 80lbs of him look slow & crippled by comparison, even though he's the oldest of the group. That last statement has been true since the day I started watching wrestling almost ten years ago. Secondly, Big Show has been holding back on purpose for years now. Since his return in 08 he's proven to be as agile as ever, but more mature in his execution. The average person isn't as half as athletic stamina wise even though their half his size, but no one would expect it out of a 40+ man who weighs almost a quarter of a ton. He's been keeping his matches on cruise control so he can extend his career. He only breaks out the good wine at Pay Per Views so to speak. He's meant to be a veteran giant. You have to remember that no man short Brock Lesnar at his peak could actually defeat Big Show in an actual wrestling contest. Even today. You see him as he wants you to see him. He only loses when he wants to lose. If he wasn't a nice guy, Big Show would be seen in one of two ways. The giant who was booted for not playing by the rules, or the giolath that didn't allow anyone to keep his spot on the mountain top warm. yes it is true. Show has NOT done any athlethic stuff since WCW. Stop being so widely offended when folks don't see someone the way you do man. and saying he only loses when "he wants to" is a laugh man.....it TRULY is. He has been an upper tier jobber(like Kane) since day one. I'm not impressed by Wight either......and rarely have been since I was introduced to him. And let me tell ya.....my logic is 100% sound.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 6, 2014 12:22:40 GMT -5
That's not even remotely true. Secondly, if you're not impressed by Big Show, then your logic is distorted. He has proven himself to be among the most athletic wrestlers ever, let alone for someone who makes virtually everyone within 80lbs of him look slow & crippled by comparison, even though he's the oldest of the group. That last statement has been true since the day I started watching wrestling almost ten years ago. Secondly, Big Show has been holding back on purpose for years now. Since his return in 08 he's proven to be as agile as ever, but more mature in his execution. The average person isn't as half as athletic stamina wise even though their half his size, but no one would expect it out of a 40+ man who weighs almost a quarter of a ton. He's been keeping his matches on cruise control so he can extend his career. He only breaks out the good wine at Pay Per Views so to speak. He's meant to be a veteran giant. You have to remember that no man short Brock Lesnar at his peak could actually defeat Big Show in an actual wrestling contest. Even today. You see him as he wants you to see him. He only loses when he wants to lose. If he wasn't a nice guy, Big Show would be seen in one of two ways. The giant who was booted for not playing by the rules, or the giolath that didn't allow anyone to keep his spot on the mountain top warm. yes it is true. Show has NOT done any athlethic stuff since WCW. Stop being so widely offended when folks don't see someone the way you do man. and saying he only loses when "he wants to" is a laugh man.....it TRULY is. He has been an upper tier jobber(like Kane) since day one. I'm not impressed by Wight either......and rarely have been since I was introduced to him. And let me tell ya.....my logic is 100% sound. That is not true unless you define wrestling short of a crack addict's pace as "unathletic." He has deliver top rope elbows, tossed 300lbers like potato sacks, delivered running spears, his running to the ring is athletic for god's sake. Strength is an athletic attribute & he displays it in spades whenever he pleases. Secondly, don't call me "Wildly offended." I only get wildly offended when you claim my life's purpose is irrelevant, which doesn't apply to this situation. Also, what kind of person doesn't understand that he CHOSE TO LOSE? He's never been in the ring with someone who could actually take him down & hold shoulders to the may for three count, except for Brock Lesnar. No other wrestler who came close to matching his size could actually beat him. I'm not saying you should be impressed by that. I'm saying you should understand that his more ridiculous moments are a reflection of his professionalism. He did what he was told. To never be even remotely impressed with a man such as the Big Show is illogical. I don't enjoy Football, but I won't allow my preference of entertainment to distort my perspective to the struggle & effort put into the sport by these athletes.
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Post by RollinsFan44 on Mar 6, 2014 12:29:56 GMT -5
Big Show has yet to impress me in any way, shape or form.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 6, 2014 12:39:15 GMT -5
Okay. Read & read thoroughly. A promo isn't meant to be poetic as the focal point. It's meant to get a story across & promote believability in the story. Austin never said anything that would've made anyone short of a high school drop-out from Kentucky ponder anything. As far as the core points ,Big Show has accomplished that several times.
Secondly, you don't have to be impressed with his size, nor should you be. It's genetics. Not size he built with effort. His ability to move in amazing fashions is what should be respected.
A question to all participants of the thread. Besides Brock Lesnar, name one man with the size, strength, & wrestling ability to actually wrestle Big Show to the mat & pin shoulders for a three count?
The reason I bring this up is to point out that the whole "Big Show's a jobber" mindset is a delusion spawned from his professionalism.
Think whatever you like, but to not be impressed with him in some capacity is a distortion of logic in relation to the most athletic 7 foot, 400+ wrestler since Andre.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2014 13:42:33 GMT -5
Okay. Read & read thoroughly. A promo isn't meant to be poetic as the focal point. It's meant to get a story across & promote believability in the story. Austin never said anything that would've made anyone short of a high school drop-out from Kentucky ponder anything. As far as the core points ,Big Show has accomplished that several times. Secondly, you don't have to be impressed with his size, nor should you be. It's genetics. Not size he built with effort. His ability to move in amazing fashions is what should be respected. A question to all participants of the thread. Besides Brock Lesnar, name one man with the size, strength, & wrestling ability to actually wrestle Big Show to the mat & pin shoulders for a three count? The reason I bring this up is to point out that the whole "Big Show's a jobber" mindset is a delusion spawned from his professionalism. Think whatever you like, but to not be impressed with him in some capacity is a distortion of logic in relation to the most athletic 7 foot, 400+ wrestler since Andre. Well... I'm done here.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 6, 2014 14:33:50 GMT -5
Okay. Read & read thoroughly. A promo isn't meant to be poetic as the focal point. It's meant to get a story across & promote believability in the story. Austin never said anything that would've made anyone short of a high school drop-out from Kentucky ponder anything. As far as the core points ,Big Show has accomplished that several times. Secondly, you don't have to be impressed with his size, nor should you be. It's genetics. Not size he built with effort. His ability to move in amazing fashions is what should be respected. A question to all participants of the thread. Besides Brock Lesnar, name one man with the size, strength, & wrestling ability to actually wrestle Big Show to the mat & pin shoulders for a three count? The reason I bring this up is to point out that the whole "Big Show's a jobber" mindset is a delusion spawned from his professionalism. Think whatever you like, but to not be impressed with him in some capacity is a distortion of logic in relation to the most athletic 7 foot, 400+ wrestler since Andre. Well... I'm done here. Was he wildly entertaining & capable of pressing his thumb to the pulse of 90s Americana? Absolutely. Could he put fear into any man in a way that hadn't been accomplished since Lisowski? Amen. But did he ever say anything profound or pable to implore you to be contemplative? No.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 6, 2014 15:37:37 GMT -5
Being the giant wrestling historian nerd that I try to be, I could figure out exactly how many Show has had. I'd have to do some work on Luger. I think Show probably takes the win. I can only go by WWF, and I know I'm missing some, but: 1999February: Debuts as a heel March: Turns babyface on the Corporation Summer: Turns heel to become Undertaker's apprentice Late summer/fall: Turns babyface and rides his daddy's casket 2000January: Turns heel feuding with The Rock about the Royal Rumble April: Turns babyface doing comedy impressions 2001January: Comes back as a heel Spring/summer: Turns babyface as part of Team WWF in the invasion 2002April/May: Turns heel on Stone Cold, joins Flair, then the nWo 2004September/October: Turns babyface to feud with Kurt Angle 2005Still face but did kinda have that heel run with Kane during the Smackdown vs Raw storyline 2006July: Turned heel to screw RVD and become ECW Champion 2008February: Returned with a babyface promo then turned heel on Rey Mysterio April: Turned face after the Mayweather fight September: Turned heel on Undertaker 2010April/May: Turned babyface on The Miz 2012May: Turned heel on John Cena 2013March/April: That whole period where he didn't know if he was a face before deciding to stay heel August: Returned as a face That's actually less than I thought.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 6, 2014 19:18:09 GMT -5
Show is the one wrestler who I think hurt their career/legacy by going to the WWF. Sure he won a ton of titles but he just seemed to become an absolute joke and almost a side show in the WWF. He was a monster that everyone ran from in WCW. WCW literally booked him closer to Andre standards (up until he refused to renew his contract) whereas WWF made a cartoon out of him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 3:15:05 GMT -5
I think there was a stretch where The Giant/The Big Show was pretty cool to watch...but then, in my opinion, he became completely disinteresting. He was slow, out of shape, and it just felt like the WWE was shoving him down our throats. Plus, I miss his original theme damn it. I hate the remixed version by Brand New Sin This.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 7, 2014 5:34:08 GMT -5
Being the giant wrestling historian nerd that I try to be, I could figure out exactly how many Show has had. I'd have to do some work on Luger. I think Show probably takes the win. I can only go by WWF, and I know I'm missing some, but: 1999February: Debuts as a heel March: Turns babyface on the Corporation Summer: Turns heel to become Undertaker's apprentice Late summer/fall: Turns babyface and rides his daddy's casket 2000January: Turns heel feuding with The Rock about the Royal Rumble April: Turns babyface doing comedy impressions 2001January: Comes back as a heel Spring/summer: Turns babyface as part of Team WWF in the invasion 2002April/May: Turns heel on Stone Cold, joins Flair, then the nWo 2004September/October: Turns babyface to feud with Kurt Angle 2005Still face but did kinda have that heel run with Kane during the Smackdown vs Raw storyline 2006July: Turned heel to screw RVD and become ECW Champion 2008February: Returned with a babyface promo then turned heel on Rey Mysterio April: Turned face after the Mayweather fight September: Turned heel on Undertaker 2010April/May: Turned babyface on The Miz 2012May: Turned heel on John Cena 2013March/April: That whole period where he didn't know if he was a face before deciding to stay heel August: Returned as a face That's actually less than I thought. you can add his 4 WCW turns to this too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 10:54:30 GMT -5
yes it is true. Show has NOT done any athlethic stuff since WCW. Stop being so widely offended when folks don't see someone the way you do man. and saying he only loses when "he wants to" is a laugh man.....it TRULY is. He has been an upper tier jobber(like Kane) since day one. I'm not impressed by Wight either......and rarely have been since I was introduced to him. And let me tell ya.....my logic is 100% sound. That is not true unless you define wrestling short of a crack addict's pace as "unathletic." He has deliver top rope elbows, tossed 300lbers like potato sacks, delivered running spears, his running to the ring is athletic for god's sake. Strength is an athletic attribute & he displays it in spades whenever he pleases. Secondly, don't call me "Wildly offended." I only get wildly offended when you claim my life's purpose is irrelevant, which doesn't apply to this situation. Also, what kind of person doesn't understand that he CHOSE TO LOSE? He's never been in the ring with someone who could actually take him down & hold shoulders to the may for three count, except for Brock Lesnar. No other wrestler who came close to matching his size could actually beat him. I'm not saying you should be impressed by that. I'm saying you should understand that his more ridiculous moments are a reflection of his professionalism. He did what he was told. To never be even remotely impressed with a man such as the Big Show is illogical. I don't enjoy Football, but I won't allow my preference of entertainment to distort my perspective to the struggle & effort put into the sport by these athletes. Dear oh dear......a chronic overreaction to what I posted. Also you DO get offended and worked up when someone doesn't agree 100% with you......here is yet ANOTHER case of it.....I have seen you get worked up here MANY times and let me tell ya.....it was nothing to do with anyone calling your life's purpose irrelevant either. You were also very unclear on the losing statement-now that you have clarified it? yes that is the case.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 11:00:20 GMT -5
Okay. Read & read thoroughly. A promo isn't meant to be poetic as the focal point. It's meant to get a story across & promote believability in the story. Austin never said anything that would've made anyone short of a high school drop-out from Kentucky ponder anything. As far as the core points ,Big Show has accomplished that several times. Secondly, you don't have to be impressed with his size, nor should you be. It's genetics. Not size he built with effort. His ability to move in amazing fashions is what should be respected. A question to all participants of the thread. Besides Brock Lesnar, name one man with the size, strength, & wrestling ability to actually wrestle Big Show to the mat & pin shoulders for a three count? The reason I bring this up is to point out that the whole "Big Show's a jobber" mindset is a delusion spawned from his professionalism. Think whatever you like, but to not be impressed with him in some capacity is a distortion of logic in relation to the most athletic 7 foot, 400+ wrestler since Andre. Well... I'm done here. Me too man.....Me too.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 7, 2014 11:29:16 GMT -5
That is not true unless you define wrestling short of a crack addict's pace as "unathletic." He has deliver top rope elbows, tossed 300lbers like potato sacks, delivered running spears, his running to the ring is athletic for god's sake. Strength is an athletic attribute & he displays it in spades whenever he pleases. Secondly, don't call me "Wildly offended." I only get wildly offended when you claim my life's purpose is irrelevant, which doesn't apply to this situation. Also, what kind of person doesn't understand that he CHOSE TO LOSE? He's never been in the ring with someone who could actually take him down & hold shoulders to the may for three count, except for Brock Lesnar. No other wrestler who came close to matching his size could actually beat him. I'm not saying you should be impressed by that. I'm saying you should understand that his more ridiculous moments are a reflection of his professionalism. He did what he was told. To never be even remotely impressed with a man such as the Big Show is illogical. I don't enjoy Football, but I won't allow my preference of entertainment to distort my perspective to the struggle & effort put into the sport by these athletes. Dear oh dear......a chronic overreaction to what I posted. Also you DO get offended and worked up when someone doesn't agree 100% with you......here is yet ANOTHER case of it.....I have seen you get worked up here MANY times and let me tell ya.....it was nothing to do with anyone calling your life's purpose irrelevant either. You were also very unclear on the losing statement-now that you have clarified it? yes that is the case. The only worked up idiot here is you to assume I am emotionallydistraught through pixelated letters. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me personally. It's a matter of logical observation. Giving credit where credit is due. To never be impressed with someone of a world class caliber devoid of your entertainment preference makes no sense. I never listen to Stevie Ray Vaugn unless his songs show up in my pandora feed, but I admire the Hell out of what makes him a legendary blues/rock guitarist. I could care less if you enjoy his matches, that's your preference or problem, but at least don't be so desensitized to life by the bottomless pit of stimuli known as the internet, you've forgotten that the men you're seeing are real humans. Most of whom work as hard as possible to be at the world level. His size opened the undersized door, but his astonishing physical attributes & skills(even if developed later on) kept him from getting stuck when his competition tried to pull him back through. One last thing, how does knowing the real life abilities of a talent not influence your opinion/perspective in relation to the character? Why call Big Show a jobber as a negative when that's exactly what he needed to do throughout his career? I don't think it should've been done nearly as often as it was, but that's besides the point. The point is simply this. If Big Show didn't want you to have your hand raise, you won't. There are few exceptions to the rule, the only ones I can think of are Lesnar, Henry, & Kane. This was at least true for the majority of Show's career, clearly that truth diminishes with Show's age. To conclude, enjoy him or not, don't act as if he's devoid of talent. Judge him when he screws up or admire his accomplishments as, but be fair about it. The last statement reigns true for all sincere performers.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 7, 2014 12:30:28 GMT -5
The only times I've enjoyed show is when he has been booked by Paul hetman. Basically 02-04 and '06. Only then do I feel that he was somewhat booked as a solid giant. Besides that his booking has been crap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 14:17:34 GMT -5
Dear oh dear......a chronic overreaction to what I posted. Also you DO get offended and worked up when someone doesn't agree 100% with you......here is yet ANOTHER case of it.....I have seen you get worked up here MANY times and let me tell ya.....it was nothing to do with anyone calling your life's purpose irrelevant either. You were also very unclear on the losing statement-now that you have clarified it? yes that is the case. The only worked up idiot here is you to assume I am emotionallydistraught through pixelated letters. . Name calling.....very nice indeed. Once again you have shown yourself up....... go look at the rules for posting then edit your post.
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