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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 22:25:24 GMT -5
I never said that was debatable. I said that Darrell's twelve wins being better than Kyle's sixteen was debatable which - in my opinion - it is. So.. everyone back off the ledge.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 15, 2014 22:29:48 GMT -5
Honest question, How many of DW's wins came against inferior competition in the Busch Series? I would imagine some of them did but I would say that if one guy has 16 wins and 10 of them are in a "B league" and another has 12 and 10 of them are in the "A League"...its speaks for itself.....I honestly dont know the answer though.
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 22:40:20 GMT -5
Honest question, How many of DW's wins came against inferior competition in the Busch Series? I would imagine some of them did but I would say that if one guy has 16 wins and 10 of them are in a "B league" and another has 12 and 10 of them are in the "A League"...its speaks for itself.....I honestly dont know the answer though. You could argue that Darrell was winning against inferior competition. There were times where Darrell - and others from that time - were racing against 28-32 (sometimes smaller) field who didn't have comparable equipment. Sound familiar? You can call them "A" and "B" leagues.. but the "A" league wasn't always a true "A" league. That is why I said the comparison was debatable. It's why I always hate this bulls*** comparing of Jimmie to Dale or Richard. You are comparing different generations with different levels of competitiveness. And when you look at numbers for all three NASCAR touring series.. nobody has won more points paying races at one track than Kyle Busch has at Bristol. Like I said.. that's pretty sweet. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 22:43:18 GMT -5
Honest question, How many of DW's wins came against inferior competition in the Busch Series? I would imagine some of them did but I would say that if one guy has 16 wins and 10 of them are in a "B league" and another has 12 and 10 of them are in the "A League"...its speaks for itself.....I honestly dont know the answer though. You gotta give Kyle some credit. He is beating legends Earnhardt (Jeffrey), Elliot (Chase), Blaney (Ryan). Do not forget about the high school kid, start and parks, plus the underfunded teams. No, SodaGuy, you are completely right. DW beat no name people. Dale Earnhardt, Rusty Wallace, Allison, Petty.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 22:44:07 GMT -5
Honest question, How many of DW's wins came against inferior competition in the Busch Series? I would imagine some of them did but I would say that if one guy has 16 wins and 10 of them are in a "B league" and another has 12 and 10 of them are in the "A League"...its speaks for itself.....I honestly dont know the answer though. All of the 12 were Cup Series. He only won one at Bristol in the Nationwide series. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 22:51:42 GMT -5
Honest question, How many of DW's wins came against inferior competition in the Busch Series? I would imagine some of them did but I would say that if one guy has 16 wins and 10 of them are in a "B league" and another has 12 and 10 of them are in the "A League"...its speaks for itself.....I honestly dont know the answer though. You could argue that Darrell was winning against inferior competition. There were times where Darrell - and others from that time - were racing against 28-32 (sometimes smaller) field who didn't have comparable equipment. Sound familiar? You can call them "A" and "B" leagues.. but the "A" league wasn't always a true "A" league. That is why I said the comparison was debatable. It's why I always hate this bulls*** comparing of Jimmie to Dale or Richard. You are comparing different generations with different levels of competitiveness. And when you look at numbers for all three NASCAR touring series.. nobody has won more points paying races at one track than Kyle Busch has at Bristol. Like I said.. that's pretty sweet. Says Darrell Waltrip and Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt's wins were against inferior competition with inferior equipment in small fields. Marks out when Kyle Busch wins a Nationwide race against inferior competition with inferior equipment with a field of 4 or 5 Cup guys that could challenge him. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 15, 2014 22:59:39 GMT -5
So how many Cup wins does Kyle have at Bristol? Sorry to say it but if he has less then 12 in Cup then he doesnt belong in the argument (yet). While the cars of different generations might be completely different, you can compare racing against guys like Wallace, Dale Sr, Gant, Bodine, Rudd etc with racing a bunch of guys who are barely out of high school and their claim to fame before this year was not wrecking at a local dirt track.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:01:46 GMT -5
So how many Cup wins does Kyle have at Bristol? Sorry to say it but if he has less then 12 in Cup then he doesnt belong in the argument (yet). While the cars of different generations might be completely different, you can compare racing against guys like Wallace, Dale Sr, Gant, Bodine, Rudd etc with racing a bunch of guys who are barely out of high school and their claim to fame before this year was not wrecking at a local dirt track. He has five cup wins there. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 23:07:13 GMT -5
Honest question, How many of DW's wins came against inferior competition in the Busch Series? I would imagine some of them did but I would say that if one guy has 16 wins and 10 of them are in a "B league" and another has 12 and 10 of them are in the "A League"...its speaks for itself.....I honestly dont know the answer though. You gotta give Kyle some credit. He is beating legends Earnhardt (Jeffrey), Elliot (Chase), Blaney (Ryan). Do not forget about the high school kid, start and parks, plus the underfunded teams. No, SodaGuy, you are completely right. DW beat no name people. Dale Earnhardt, Rusty Wallace, Allison, Petty. This is funny because I never said that Darrell was beating no name drivers. I said that there were times were Darrell - and others from that time (this meaning drivers that also won a ton of races like Richard Petty - big name drivers with good equipment) - were racing against smaller fields who didn't have comparable equipment. I said that sounds familiar because Kyle Busch's wins in the lower series is a similar tale. He's winning against smaller fields who don't have comparable equipment with the exception of a few drivers. It's funny how you went above and beyond to name young/unknown drivers to bash Kyle and then name big winning drivers to praise Darrell. God knows Kyle Busch never beats anyone good like Brad Keselowski or Kevin Harvick. He's the only damn driver out there with good equipment and talent.
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 23:15:01 GMT -5
So how many Cup wins does Kyle have at Bristol? Sorry to say it but if he has less then 12 in Cup then he doesnt belong in the argument (yet). While the cars of different generations might be completely different, you can compare racing against guys like Wallace, Dale Sr, Gant, Bodine, Rudd etc with racing a bunch of guys who are barely out of high school and their claim to fame before this year was not wrecking at a local dirt track. The entire argument is about drivers (everyone) winning races in all three touring series though. It isn't an argument about Cup Series performance. It's a statistic that says Kyle Busch has won more at Bristol in all three touring series more than any other driver at any other track in all three touring series. For an example.. Kyle Busch has won more races at Bristol in all three series than Dale Sr has won at Daytona in all three series. See? It's not just based on cup performance. It's an "all three series" statistic. Thus.. Kyle's numbers aren't just because of him racing with guys "barley out of high school".
You could argue that Darrell was winning against inferior competition. There were times where Darrell - and others from that time - were racing against 28-32 (sometimes smaller) field who didn't have comparable equipment. Sound familiar? You can call them "A" and "B" leagues.. but the "A" league wasn't always a true "A" league. That is why I said the comparison was debatable. It's why I always hate this bulls*** comparing of Jimmie to Dale or Richard. You are comparing different generations with different levels of competitiveness. And when you look at numbers for all three NASCAR touring series.. nobody has won more points paying races at one track than Kyle Busch has at Bristol. Like I said.. that's pretty sweet. Says Darrell Waltrip and Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt's wins were against inferior competition with inferior equipment in small fields. Marks out when Kyle Busch wins a Nationwide race against inferior competition with inferior equipment with a field of 4 or 5 Cup guys that could challenge him.
All I said was that Darrell's 12 wins > Kyle's 16 wins was debateable. Everyone acts like I proclaimed that Kyle Busch is Jesus Christ and everyone not named Kyle Busch sucks when that's not the case at all. Whatever . 
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:17:36 GMT -5
You gotta give Kyle some credit. He is beating legends Earnhardt (Jeffrey), Elliot (Chase), Blaney (Ryan). Do not forget about the high school kid, start and parks, plus the underfunded teams. No, SodaGuy, you are completely right. DW beat no name people. Dale Earnhardt, Rusty Wallace, Allison, Petty. This is funny because I never said that Darrell was beating no name drivers. I said that there were times were Darrell - and others from that time (this meaning drivers that also won a ton of races like Richard Petty - big name drivers with good equipment) - were racing against smaller fields who didn't have comparable equipment. I said that sounds familiar because Kyle Busch's wins in the lower series is a similar tale. He's winning against smaller fields who don't have comparable equipment with the exception of a few drivers. It's funny how you went above and beyond to name young/unknown drivers to bash Kyle and then name big winning drivers to praise Darrell. God knows Kyle Busch never beats anyone good like Brad Keselowski or Kevin Harvick. He's the only damn driver out there with good equipment and talent.
Yeeeaahhhh.... you hit another home run! Every one knows that Brad and Harvick are the same level of competition as Petty, Earnhardt, Allison, etc. Yup. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:20:05 GMT -5
So how many Cup wins does Kyle have at Bristol? Sorry to say it but if he has less then 12 in Cup then he doesnt belong in the argument (yet). While the cars of different generations might be completely different, you can compare racing against guys like Wallace, Dale Sr, Gant, Bodine, Rudd etc with racing a bunch of guys who are barely out of high school and their claim to fame before this year was not wrecking at a local dirt track. The entire argument is about drivers (everyone) winning races in all three touring series though. It isn't an argument about Cup Series performance. It's a statistic that says Kyle Busch has won more at Bristol in all three touring series more than any other driver at any other track in all three touring series. For an example.. Kyle Busch has won more races at Bristol in all three series than Dale Sr has won at Daytona in all three series. See? It's not just based on cup performance. It's an "all three series" statistic. Thus.. Kyle's numbers aren't just because of him racing with guys "barley out of high school".
Ummmm.... the majority of his wins are from Nationwide and Truck, so most of his wins are against guys barley out of high school, Morgan Shepard, and those " legends " Brad and Harvick. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 23:20:31 GMT -5
This is funny because I never said that Darrell was beating no name drivers. I said that there were times were Darrell - and others from that time (this meaning drivers that also won a ton of races like Richard Petty - big name drivers with good equipment) - were racing against smaller fields who didn't have comparable equipment. I said that sounds familiar because Kyle Busch's wins in the lower series is a similar tale. He's winning against smaller fields who don't have comparable equipment with the exception of a few drivers. It's funny how you went above and beyond to name young/unknown drivers to bash Kyle and then name big winning drivers to praise Darrell. God knows Kyle Busch never beats anyone good like Brad Keselowski or Kevin Harvick. He's the only damn driver out there with good equipment and talent.
Yeeeaahhhh.... you hit another home run! Every one knows that Brad and Harvick are the same level of competition as Petty, Earnhardt, Allison, etc. Yup. Yeah, and you hit another home run with your twisting of words. I never compared Brad and Harvick to anyone. I said that Kyle Busch is winning against good drivers. Want to have a discussion? We'll have a discussion but you need to stop taking posts and twisting them into whatever you want them to said because I never once compared anyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:25:22 GMT -5
Yeeeaahhhh.... you hit another home run! Every one knows that Brad and Harvick are the same level of competition as Petty, Earnhardt, Allison, etc. Yup. Yeah, and you hit another home run with your twisting of words. I never compared Brad and Harvick to anyone. I said that Kyle Busch is winning against good drivers. Want to have a discussion? We'll have a discussion but you need to stop taking posts and twisting them into whatever you want them to said because I never once compared anyone. He beat two good drivers, throw Matt "who wrecks people" Kenseth in there too, but those guys come nowhere close to Dale, Allisson, Petty, Wallace, etc.... The argument will always be about the level of competition. Waltrip faced better competition and won his races in the big boy league. Kyle faced mostly weak competition, but did beat some good drivers, although sometimes I think they use Nationwide as testing more than anything. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 23:28:00 GMT -5
The entire argument is about drivers (everyone) winning races in all three touring series though. It isn't an argument about Cup Series performance. It's a statistic that says Kyle Busch has won more at Bristol in all three touring series more than any other driver at any other track in all three touring series. For an example.. Kyle Busch has won more races at Bristol in all three series than Dale Sr has won at Daytona in all three series. See? It's not just based on cup performance. It's an "all three series" statistic. Thus.. Kyle's numbers aren't just because of him racing with guys "barley out of high school".
Ummmm.... the majority of his wins are from Nationwide and Truck, so most of his wins are against guys barley out of high school, Morgan Shepard, and those " legends " Brad and Harvick. That's true. Hey.. let's stick with the Dale at Daytona comparison. Okay? Kyle @ Bristol - 5 Wins in Sprint Cup | 7 Wins in Nationwide | 4 Wins in Truck Dale at @daytona - 3 Wins in Sprint Cup | 7 Wins in Nationwide. Boy.. strange how statics can work and show that - gasp - Kyle isn't the only one who has more wins in Nationwide at a certain track than in Cup. DISCLAIMER: THIS POST IS IN NO WAY COMPARING DALE AND KYLE'S CAREER. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF NASCAR'S "WINS IN ALL THREE SERIES" STAT.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 15, 2014 23:32:35 GMT -5
So how many Cup wins does Kyle have at Bristol? Sorry to say it but if he has less then 12 in Cup then he doesnt belong in the argument (yet). While the cars of different generations might be completely different, you can compare racing against guys like Wallace, Dale Sr, Gant, Bodine, Rudd etc with racing a bunch of guys who are barely out of high school and their claim to fame before this year was not wrecking at a local dirt track. The entire argument is about drivers (everyone) winning races in all three touring series though. It isn't an argument about Cup Series performance. It's a statistic that says Kyle Busch has won more at Bristol in all three touring series more than any other driver at any other track in all three touring series. For an example.. Kyle Busch has won more races at Bristol in all three series than Dale Sr has won at Daytona in all three series. See? It's not just based on cup performance. It's an "all three series" statistic. Thus.. Kyle's numbers aren't just because of him racing with guys "barley out of high school".
Says Darrell Waltrip and Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt's wins were against inferior competition with inferior equipment in small fields. Marks out when Kyle Busch wins a Nationwide race against inferior competition with inferior equipment with a field of 4 or 5 Cup guys that could challenge him.
All I said was that Darrell's 12 wins > Kyle's 16 wins was debateable. Everyone acts like I proclaimed that Kyle Busch is Jesus Christ and everyone not named Kyle Busch sucks when that's not the case at all. Whatever .
Im not saying its not impressive, its just not the best. Bubba Joe Johnson out of Seymour, Tenn probably has more wins at 411 Speedway then Richard Petty (who has 4 in the Cup series I believe)....that doesnt make Bubba Joe Johnson a better driver then Petty though because Petty did it against guys like Allison & Pearson whereas BJJ did it against Clyde "Kissing" Cousins and Leroy Lefteye Lingenfelter. Richards 4 wins are more impressive then BJJ's 25 Thursday night Bubba Joes BBQ 150 wins. and yes, I totally made those names up. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 15, 2014 23:39:35 GMT -5
Yeah, and you hit another home run with your twisting of words. I never compared Brad and Harvick to anyone. I said that Kyle Busch is winning against good drivers. Want to have a discussion? We'll have a discussion but you need to stop taking posts and twisting them into whatever you want them to said because I never once compared anyone. He beat two good drivers, throw Matt "who wrecks people" Kenseth in there too, but those guys come nowhere close to Dale, Allisson, Petty, Wallace, etc.... The argument will always be about the level of competition. Waltrip faced better competition and won his races in the big boy league. Kyle faced mostly weak competition, but did beat some good drivers, although sometimes I think they use Nationwide as testing more than anything. The thing is that I never once compared them to anyone. I'm not comparing anyone to anyone. I'm not saying that Kyle is better than anyone. I'm just saying that the argument of "inferior competition and equipment" could be twisted to be used against drivers like Richard Petty who by today's standards.. some of those races are comparable to the races Kyle is running in Nationwide. Does that make Kyle Busch better than Richard Petty? Of course not. I'm just pointing out the argument could be used. That's all I'm saying. Everyone has this idea that I believe Kyle Busch is the greatest of all time and that isn't the case. I'm over this solely because people aren't going to see anything from my perspective. Nobody's going to agree with the a**hole Kyle Busch fan that thinks winning 100+ races in NASCAR is pretty impressive and winning sixteen races at Bristol in NASCAR is pretty sweet. I'm use to being the Kyle Busch fan that everyone wants to argue with. Slap the ignore feature on and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:40:34 GMT -5
Ummmm.... the majority of his wins are from Nationwide and Truck, so most of his wins are against guys barley out of high school, Morgan Shepard, and those " legends " Brad and Harvick. That's true. Hey.. let's stick with the Dale at Daytona comparison. Okay? Kyle @ Bristol - 5 Wins in Sprint Cup | 7 Wins in Nationwide | 4 Wins in Truck Dale at @daytona - 3 Wins in Sprint Cup | 7 Wins in Nationwide. Boy.. strange how statics can work and show that - gasp - Kyle isn't the only one who has more wins in Nationwide at a certain track than in Cup. DISCLAIMER: THIS POST IS IN NO WAY COMPARING DALE AND KYLE'S CAREER. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF NASCAR'S "WINS IN ALL THREE SERIES" STAT.
You are not making sense. Why bring Dale wins at Daytona into this. You implied Kyle Busch was better than Waltrip at Bristol. What does Dale stats have to do with that? Amyways... Waltrip>Busch |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 23:44:01 GMT -5
He beat two good drivers, throw Matt "who wrecks people" Kenseth in there too, but those guys come nowhere close to Dale, Allisson, Petty, Wallace, etc.... The argument will always be about the level of competition. Waltrip faced better competition and won his races in the big boy league. Kyle faced mostly weak competition, but did beat some good drivers, although sometimes I think they use Nationwide as testing more than anything. The thing is that I never once compared them to anyone. I'm not comparing anyone to anyone. I'm not saying that Kyle is better than anyone. I'm just saying that the argument of "inferior competition and equipment" could be twisted to be used against drivers like Richard Petty who by today's standards.. some of those races are comparable to the races Kyle is running in Nationwide. Does that make Kyle Busch better than Richard Petty? Of course not. I'm just pointing out the argument could be used. That's all I'm saying. Everyone has this idea that I believe Kyle Busch is the greatest of all time and that isn't the case. I'm over this solely because people aren't going to see anything from my perspective. Nobody's going to agree with the a**hole Kyle Busch fan that thinks winning 100+ races in NASCAR is pretty impressive and winning sixteen races at Bristol in NASCAR is pretty sweet. I'm use to being the Kyle Busch fan that everyone wants to argue with. Slap the ignore feature on and move on. Maybe your argument could work in the 50s, 60s, early 70s, but not the 80s, 90s. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Mar 15, 2014 23:44:20 GMT -5
I never said that was debatable. I said that Darrell's twelve wins being better than Kyle's sixteen was debatable which - in my opinion - it is. So.. everyone back off the ledge.
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