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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 8, 2014 0:21:18 GMT -5
A professional wrestler's job is to convey the illusion of a believable athletic contest between him & his opponent(s). This leads to wrestlers developing strange abilities that are exclusive to the wrestling performance. Some of these techniques aren't recognized as offensive or defensive wrestling moves as are recognized by commentators or even the average spectator, but rather are techniques that stand equivalent to the secrets of an illusionist. However, many wrestling die-hards are well aware of these tricks of the trade. Some are exclusive to specific individuals such as the belly-slide out of the ring to the floor Rey Msterio implements to assist wrestlers who "Throw" him from the ring, or Rikishi when he receives a thunderous clothesline. One of the most famous examples of such a technique failing to convince the audience of the desired illusion is the Irish-whip flip into the corner popularized by Ric Flair & adopted by Shawn Michaels, Post some of your favorite examples of this, any information you have on why some of these techniques were/are used even though they fail to create the desired illusion & which are some of the best examples of the desired illusion being accomplished so well, that it's all, but impossible to detect the trick. Discuss.  Sidenote: I'd liked to publicly apologize for misunderstanding JokerFC in the legacy of Big Show thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 11:35:25 GMT -5
There's no need for an apology TS. Its no sweat.
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Captain McKay
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Post by Captain McKay on Mar 8, 2014 16:10:00 GMT -5
The Rock getting the stunner. The way he sells it makes it really appear devastating, in that it somehow takes all of the move's initial forward momentum and, upon impact, multiplies it tenfold into a backward motion. It's like hitting a trampoline spring in Sonic the Hedgehog games, where by simply hitting a normal Stunner, Austin sends Rock's nervous system into a frenzy, causing a backward whiplash-type effect, which prompts a backward cartwheel EVERY single time. Magnificent.
…For real, though, I can't think of any off-hand that I would point out. I'd have to see it in a match, and then I'd be like "wow, THAT little nuance just made the move look so much more impactful." I suppose I could say Bret Hart's turnbuckle impact, when he'd get irish whipped into a corner and slam his sternum into the buckle, then collapsed. Made the other guy's irish whip seem that much more powerful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 17:45:47 GMT -5
The way Mick Foley and later The Undertaker would take the ''Irish whip into the steel steps" - more logical than most that take it, but of course it's more dangerous.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Mar 8, 2014 19:27:47 GMT -5
I liked Mr Perfects corner head turnbuckle smash where he'd bounce off the bottom ropes and do a spinning front flip.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Mar 8, 2014 21:15:58 GMT -5
I liked Mr Perfects corner head turnbuckle smash where he'd bounce off the bottom ropes and do a spinning front flip. Any chance we could get a video reference? |
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Post by That 80s Guy on Mar 8, 2014 22:01:20 GMT -5
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When I trained under Dan Severn, one of the things he taught me was... There are 3 ways to getting over: 1) using your body language, 2) your facial expressions, and 3) your voice .... And with that last one being said, I've always loved how Lex Luger would "OOHHHH!!" and "AAAHHH!!!" when he was being worked over. Kinda like a death-cry, it always made the audience glad they weren't in Luger's boots.
Another great sell, would be Greg Valentine's face plant - after being headbutted or nailed somehow in the noggin. He'd fall over like a tree and let his face literally catch the fall.
Finally, the best snap after taking a punch, would have to go to Savage. It seems like the instant he was nailed, he was on mat, making that facial expression of a crumpled up face. No other could sell like that, other than Randy.
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Post by Joejitsu22 on Mar 8, 2014 22:11:24 GMT -5
The thigh smack during del rios kick adds to the visual when he kick s people in the face. Hearing the "smack" gives it the ohhhhh feeling. Same with any good super kick.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Mar 8, 2014 23:14:03 GMT -5
-- Another great sell, would be Greg Valentine's face plant - after being headbutted or nailed somehow in the noggin. He'd fall over like a tree and let his face literally catch the fall. I was going to mention this too. Valentine had a way of selling that he was knocked out cold (even if only for a moment) before he even left his feet. Ric Flair did a comical version of this sell job, and while it was entertaining, it wasn't as realistic as Valentine's. Flair would pretend to be so punch-drunk that he'd walk briskly across the ring for several steps before face-planting. It's a great comedy spot, but the way Valentine sold it, you could look at his eyes glaze over and know you were 2-3 seconds from seeing him fall on his face, almost in slow-mo. Here's another one that both Jake Roberts and Paul Orndorff did in the 1980s: A head-over-heels, back-to-stomach bump where they stiffen their entire body rather than rolling through it. When Orndorff did it, he looked almost stiff as a board, taking a flat back-bump and then flipping (rolling is the wrong word because he remains totally stiff the whole time) backwards, remaining vertical, into a stomach-first bump. I liked it because it sold the idea that the force of the opponent's blow was enough to make them bump twice, while removing the illusion that they were helping the momentum by rolling through it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 6:50:58 GMT -5
The Rock getting the stunner. The way he sells it makes it really appear devastating, in that it somehow takes all of the move's initial forward momentum and, upon impact, multiplies it tenfold into a backward motion. It's like hitting a trampoline spring in Sonic the Hedgehog games, where by simply hitting a normal Stunner, Austin sends Rock's nervous system into a frenzy, causing a backward whiplash-type effect, which prompts a backward cartwheel EVERY single time. Magnificent. …For real, though, I can't think of any off-hand that I would point out. I'd have to see it in a match, and then I'd be like "wow, THAT little nuance just made the move look so much more impactful." I suppose I could say Bret Hart's turnbuckle impact, when he'd get irish whipped into a corner and slam his sternum into the buckle, then collapsed. Made the other guy's irish whip seem that much more powerful. 2 GREAT examples. |
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Post by That 80s Guy on Mar 9, 2014 11:33:59 GMT -5
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Another one I just thought of, was the way Arn Anderson would take a sunset flip; he'd scramble his arms, hoping Tully (or whoever his partner was) would be able to tag him - despite being in the middle of the ring haha.. before being rolled into the pin. Classic!
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Post by That 80s Guy on Mar 10, 2014 12:18:44 GMT -5
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ANOTHER one just thought of.... the way Ted DiBiasi would always go over the top rope if he was nailed or clotheslined. He'd use his momentum in such a way, the rope would literally spring him and it always made the face he was working against, look awesome!
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Post by Devilkiller on Mar 10, 2014 12:21:36 GMT -5
Shawn and Dolph Ziggler when they would over sell, I don't know why but I love/loved it.
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