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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 15:19:29 GMT -5
My apologies for having an opinion that doesnt agree with everyone else.   WTF?! What match was so awesome?! Its a memorable WM. But the matches were not very good at all....some being downright awful. wow talk about a hypocrite.... How is that being a hypocrite? I didnt say you couldnt feel a certain way. I just simply asked people to defend it. I hate when someone has an opinion and yet cant present any evidence to support said opinion. My apologies for having an opinion that doesnt agree with everyone else. That isn't the problem, the problem is you are an extremist. You always have some ridiculously strong opinion in one direction or the other. You said you enjoyed at least the Tag Team and Bryan matches. Congratulations, you enjoyed at least 1:30 hours. The 4 way really showcased the Real Americans and gave Rybaxel some credibility without either winning. I enjoyed the opening segment quite a bit. The only part about Bryan Triple H I can complain about is having two long countout spots. The Shield squashing Kane and the OOA was hilarious and very fitting. The Andre Memorial, while it shouldn't have had a few of those guys anywhere near it, was fantastic in solidifying Cesaro as an upper mid-carder while also giving another great Kofi spot. Cena vs Wyatt's biggest downfall again was having Cena go out there and wrestle instead of brawl in another vengeance based storyline which doesn't put it near the worst WM match ever. Lesnar vs Undertaker was the most anti-climactic of the night as it wasn't good match (but was still better than Taker WM 28 by quite a bit) and it drained all the energy out of everyone. The Divas match was a little better than I thought it would be. The Triple Threat saw Daniel Bryan getting most odds defying WM win ever. With that said, I don't think it is the greatest WM ever, but I do put it up in at least the top five. There is no way in hell I would rank it below 9, 11, 13, 27, or 29 as each of those had literally the worst WM endings ever (aside from 29 which still wasn't more than meh) with maybe one or two good matches on the card. You're damn right I have a strong opinion. I dont have issue with examining something and figuring out my feelings or thoughts about it. I then can use what I know to support my opinion. You call it extreme, but anyone who reads my entire posts would also know that I have listed the positives and the negatives to this PPV, including calling it one of the most memorable PPVs of all time. But memorable doesnt always make it something good. I disagree with you on the WMs you listed as bad. 9 is from a different era and has to be looked differently. Its not a great WM. But there was nothing on that show, outside of maybe Tito/HBK that was gonna be a great match. WWE has probably the most talented roster they have EVER had and yet we dont get one awesome match at WM. That isn't the problem, the problem is you are an extremist. You always have some ridiculously strong opinion in one direction or the other. You said you enjoyed at least the Tag Team and Bryan matches. Congratulations, you enjoyed at least 1:30 hours. The 4 way really showcased the Real Americans and gave Rybaxel some credibility without either winning. I enjoyed the opening segment quite a bit. The only part about Bryan Triple H I can complain about is having two long countout spots. The Shield squashing Kane and the OOA was hilarious and very fitting. The Andre Memorial, while it shouldn't have had a few of those guys anywhere near it, was fantastic in solidifying Cesaro as an upper mid-carder while also giving another great Kofi spot. Cena vs Wyatt's biggest downfall again was having Cena go out there and wrestle instead of brawl in another vengeance based storyline which doesn't put it near the worst WM match ever. Lesnar vs Undertaker was the most anti-climactic of the night as it wasn't good match (but was still better than Taker WM 28 by quite a bit) and it drained all the energy out of everyone. The Divas match was a little better than I thought it would be. The Triple Threat saw Daniel Bryan getting most odds defying WM win ever. With that said, I don't think it is the greatest WM ever, but I do put it up in at least the top five. There is no way in hell I would rank it below 9, 11, 13, 27, or 29 as each of those had literally the worst WM endings ever (aside from 29 which still wasn't more than meh) with maybe one or two good matches on the card. Shield squashing Kane/Outlaws was great. Kayfabe wise how are three guys past their prime suppose to beat three of the best young guys today? We also got a nice Powerbomb spot out of it. Kane is NOT past his prime. Dude can still go. I am VERY shocked at this. But Kane still has it. I didnt expect Kane/NAO to win. But I expected Shield to get more time. They are VERY over and they deserved to get more spots in this match. I also would have liked to seen more Kane/Reigns action together and Rollins getting a chance to highlight his highflying ability. My apologies for having an opinion that doesnt agree with everyone else. Well it is what you pride yourself on... Wrong again. I pride myself on HAVING an opinion and being able to back it up. And not providing snot nosed comments and or just sheep slurp on WFigs. Not even close. - An incredible opening match that had been months in the making. - The Shield and Cesaro looking like beasts, especially the latter. - Bray Wyatt, despite losing, looked like a mother  ing star against the company's top name on the biggest stage imaginable. - The most shocking moment in WrestleMania history, and to some, wrestling history period. - A very enjoyable main event. To say that this WrestleMania was awful is nonsensical. QFT And the simple fact that he called Cena/Wyatt an awful match makes me question what he's doing on the board. That was some of the best storytelling I've ever seen. What more do you want? Storytelling is only part of the equation. Not to mention that Cena didnt hold his end up. The story is Wyatt is trying to reveal the monster that lives in Cena. Cena is the hero who has become conflicted on how to beat Wyatt and crossing the line to do so. Smiling and you cant see me isnt being conflicted. Its going through the motions. Sell it. The fact that you dont understand that storytelling is only part of the equation makes me question the validity of your opinion. 30 was the WORST WM of all time. Outside of DB finally winning and the nostaligic opening segment, this show was awful. You need to go back and watch previous WM's if you think 30 was the worse of all time. Seen them all, but thanks. You need to go back and watch previous WM's if you think 30 was the worse of all time. He's lost absolutely ALL credibility after a statement like that. Absolutely idiotic. It was horrible. I havent heard ONE, not ONE single argument that speaks to the quality of a match. I have heard great in ring psychology, a great story that was told and memorable moments. But I havent heard one person tell me a single match was great quality. |
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Post by Chip on Apr 7, 2014 15:32:08 GMT -5
Not top 3 of all time by any means, in my view
but nowhere near the worst either.
it's lumped in with a bunch of others. But in the end it's all opinion anyway. my 2nd favorite wrestlemania is 8, and most people put that very low on their lists
last night was a pretty fun night, from the amazing opener...D-Bry/H's was spectacular, the Battle Royal was loads of fun, the main event was as memorable as they get. (would have been 10x more if the crowd's energy was sucked out because of the awful streak booking) in terms of memorable, this one is gonna stick around for awhile
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Apr 7, 2014 17:36:50 GMT -5
That isn't the problem, the problem is you are an extremist. You always have some ridiculously strong opinion in one direction or the other. You said you enjoyed at least the Tag Team and Bryan matches. Congratulations, you enjoyed at least 1:30 hours. The 4 way really showcased the Real Americans and gave Rybaxel some credibility without either winning. I enjoyed the opening segment quite a bit. The only part about Bryan Triple H I can complain about is having two long countout spots. The Shield squashing Kane and the OOA was hilarious and very fitting. The Andre Memorial, while it shouldn't have had a few of those guys anywhere near it, was fantastic in solidifying Cesaro as an upper mid-carder while also giving another great Kofi spot. Cena vs Wyatt's biggest downfall again was having Cena go out there and wrestle instead of brawl in another vengeance based storyline which doesn't put it near the worst WM match ever. Lesnar vs Undertaker was the most anti-climactic of the night as it wasn't good match (but was still better than Taker WM 28 by quite a bit) and it drained all the energy out of everyone. The Divas match was a little better than I thought it would be. The Triple Threat saw Daniel Bryan getting most odds defying WM win ever. With that said, I don't think it is the greatest WM ever, but I do put it up in at least the top five. There is no way in hell I would rank it below 9, 11, 13, 27, or 29 as each of those had literally the worst WM endings ever (aside from 29 which still wasn't more than meh) with maybe one or two good matches on the card. You're damn right I have a strong opinion. I dont have issue with examining something and figuring out my feelings or thoughts about it. I then can use what I know to support my opinion. You call it extreme, but anyone who reads my entire posts would also know that I have listed the positives and the negatives to this PPV, including calling it one of the most memorable PPVs of all time. But memorable doesnt always make it something good. I disagree with you on the WMs you listed as bad. 9 is from a different era and has to be looked differently. Its not a great WM. But there was nothing on that show, outside of maybe Tito/HBK that was gonna be a great match. WWE has probably the most talented roster they have EVER had and yet we dont get one awesome match at WM. He's lost absolutely ALL credibility after a statement like that. Absolutely idiotic. It was horrible. I havent heard ONE, not ONE single argument that speaks to the quality of a match. I have heard great in ring psychology, a great story that was told and memorable moments. But I havent heard one person tell me a single match was great quality. I did read your post and it sound a lot like you were just biasing the negatives (even the very minor ones) well above the positives. For example, for the opening match you stated that it was a good match but then constantly kept bringing up that you thought it was too long. While I agree it went a little longer than I wanted, it was a phenomenal match, yet the (literally) 20:00 minute long opening segment isn't getting much flack at all. Even if you discredit the earlier WM's, the WWE might have the most talent on the roster now, but for the past 3 years they have have had almost the same list of talent. This years WM has done the opposite of the past 3 (25, 26, and 28) of the past 5 WM's, which is that it had a lackluster card on paper but was actually a much better show than I anticipated. 27 was absolutely atrocious with a crappy card, with crappy build, with crappy results. 29 had a decent card with a crappy build with lackluster matches. Triple H had probably the best technical outing of his entire career in that match. The Andre Memorial showcased Cesaro's ability and had a lot of cool spots. The tag team match made every single team look good and showcased everyone's abilities. The Shield match showcased them as a unit and had quite a few really funny spots with the NAO. While Kane might not be in bad shape, he isn't in his prime and the NAO have gotten progressively worse as their run has continued. Cena Wyatt had some cool spots. Up until Taker rolled out of the ring, the match showed both working each other over at a decent pace. The Divas match saw some cool spots. The Triple Threat made Bryan look strong as all hell without completely burying the other two guys. |
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Post by noir on Apr 7, 2014 17:47:40 GMT -5
I think 30 was good, great at times. Not sure I'd put it in the top 5 though.
I said this in the official thread but I think it's my main criticism of the show. By way of the feuds, every single 1 on 1 match was VERY slow. The whole event seemed to drag as a result.
HHH vs. Bryan you had Bryan working an injury and an obviously older HHH.
Wyatt vs. Cena was all about Cena's inner morality/ turmoil. Slow paced, character building match.
Taker vs. Lesnar was super slow by design (and I guess the concussion didn't help).
These aren't criticisms, I just feel as a result, the event seemed to drag on.
Shield deserved much better, that match definitely made them look strong, but why have some of your best performers reduced to a 5 minute match. Battle royal was a battle royal... messy. Obviously it had some great moments and Cesaro could really gain from this win, but it didn't have a 'Wrestlemania feel' whatsoever.
Don't get me wrong, I liked it all I just think that they could have planned it a bit better and maybe added in a match stipulation or two so that the event was a bit more 'energetic'. If you look at the past great wrestlemanias, there was a lot more diversity (at least one each of a spot fest match, a technical match, a main event match).
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 19:40:23 GMT -5
You're damn right I have a strong opinion. I dont have issue with examining something and figuring out my feelings or thoughts about it. I then can use what I know to support my opinion. You call it extreme, but anyone who reads my entire posts would also know that I have listed the positives and the negatives to this PPV, including calling it one of the most memorable PPVs of all time. But memorable doesnt always make it something good. I disagree with you on the WMs you listed as bad. 9 is from a different era and has to be looked differently. Its not a great WM. But there was nothing on that show, outside of maybe Tito/HBK that was gonna be a great match. WWE has probably the most talented roster they have EVER had and yet we dont get one awesome match at WM. It was horrible. I havent heard ONE, not ONE single argument that speaks to the quality of a match. I have heard great in ring psychology, a great story that was told and memorable moments. But I havent heard one person tell me a single match was great quality. I did read your post and it sound a lot like you were just biasing the negatives (even the very minor ones) well above the positives. For example, for the opening match you stated that it was a good match but then constantly kept bringing up that you thought it was too long. While I agree it went a little longer than I wanted, it was a phenomenal match, yet the (literally) 20:00 minute long opening segment isn't getting much flack at all. Even if you discredit the earlier WM's, the WWE might have the most talent on the roster now, but for the past 3 years they have have had almost the same list of talent. This years WM has done the opposite of the past 3 (25, 26, and 28) of the past 5 WM's, which is that it had a lackluster card on paper but was actually a much better show than I anticipated. 27 was absolutely atrocious with a crappy card, with crappy build, with crappy results. 29 had a decent card with a crappy build with lackluster matches. Triple H had probably the best technical outing of his entire career in that match. The Andre Memorial showcased Cesaro's ability and had a lot of cool spots. The tag team match made every single team look good and showcased everyone's abilities. The Shield match showcased them as a unit and had quite a few really funny spots with the NAO. While Kane might not be in bad shape, he isn't in his prime and the NAO have gotten progressively worse as their run has continued. Cena Wyatt had some cool spots. Up until Taker rolled out of the ring, the match showed both working each other over at a decent pace. The Divas match saw some cool spots. The Triple Threat made Bryan look strong as all hell without completely burying the other two guys. But I didnt find it anywhere REMOTELY phenomenal. Good...but it was too long. I'm not gonna leave it out. This isnt a suicide hotline. This is a discussion concerning WM. The opening segment was one of, if not, THE BEST part of WM. Surreal to see Austin, Rock and Hogan all in the ring at the same time. Wasnt exactly sure what was gonna happen here. It was a long segment, but both I and the audience ate it up. It was great. They earned the right to be out there that long. Same reason I wouldnt ask the main event to cut down in time so The Shield could have more time. The main event deserves a good piece of the show. DB deserves this moment...he earned it. I would rather have seen the opening match be cut down, as it wasnt needed and it wasnt the main event. I totally disagree with 27. I think 27 was very well hyped and very well built. And I was SHOCKED Miz retained. Yes, going into that card...I thought the main event was a joke. But both men surprised me in that match. While personally, I loved watching Rock screw Cena over....on a business end, I didnt really care for it. Thinking from a business aspect, I would much rather see a clean finish at WM. I had a new found respect for Miz too exiting WM. Edge/Del Rio was a great match, deserved a better spot on the card though. Cody/Rey was another solid match. 6 man sucked. Orton/Punk was damn good. Cole/Lawler was terrible. UT/HHH was ok. And the mixed tag was too damn short....but was good for the time they had. HHH was ok in the match. No way in hell would I call it his best technical outing. I think you missed a lot of HHH matches in the early 2000s. A lot of what you said about the undercard....I stated as well if you read my posts. But a few cool spots, doesnt make an awesome match. Funny spots doesnt make an awesome match. Cool spots do not make an awesome match. UT/Brock was AWFUL!!!! Their pacing was slower than the dinner line at the old folks home. So again....where is the awesome match? What match was flat out stellar?! Cuz if I go back....pretty much, WM features at least one awesome match. Or some damn good ones. All I hear is the EXACT same thing I have stated numerous times in this thread. WM 30 had some cool spots, some memorable moments, popular results and really good story telling. |
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I did read your post and it sound a lot like you were just biasing the negatives (even the very minor ones) well above the positives. For example, for the opening match you stated that it was a good match but then constantly kept bringing up that you thought it was too long. While I agree it went a little longer than I wanted, it was a phenomenal match, yet the (literally) 20:00 minute long opening segment isn't getting much flack at all. Even if you discredit the earlier WM's, the WWE might have the most talent on the roster now, but for the past 3 years they have have had almost the same list of talent. This years WM has done the opposite of the past 3 (25, 26, and 28) of the past 5 WM's, which is that it had a lackluster card on paper but was actually a much better show than I anticipated. 27 was absolutely atrocious with a crappy card, with crappy build, with crappy results. 29 had a decent card with a crappy build with lackluster matches. Triple H had probably the best technical outing of his entire career in that match. The Andre Memorial showcased Cesaro's ability and had a lot of cool spots. The tag team match made every single team look good and showcased everyone's abilities. The Shield match showcased them as a unit and had quite a few really funny spots with the NAO. While Kane might not be in bad shape, he isn't in his prime and the NAO have gotten progressively worse as their run has continued. Cena Wyatt had some cool spots. Up until Taker rolled out of the ring, the match showed both working each other over at a decent pace. The Divas match saw some cool spots. The Triple Threat made Bryan look strong as all hell without completely burying the other two guys. But I didnt find it anywhere REMOTELY phenomenal. Good...but it was too long. I'm not gonna leave it out. This isnt a suicide hotline. This is a discussion concerning WM. The opening segment was one of, if not, THE BEST part of WM. Surreal to see Austin, Rock and Hogan all in the ring at the same time. Wasnt exactly sure what was gonna happen here. It was a long segment, but both I and the audience ate it up. It was great. They earned the right to be out there that long. Same reason I wouldnt ask the main event to cut down in time so The Shield could have more time. The main event deserves a good piece of the show. DB deserves this moment...he earned it. I would rather have seen the opening match be cut down, as it wasnt needed and it wasnt the main event. I totally disagree with 27. I think 27 was very well hyped and very well built. And I was SHOCKED Miz retained. Yes, going into that card...I thought the main event was a joke. But both men surprised me in that match. While personally, I loved watching Rock screw Cena over....on a business end, I didnt really care for it. Thinking from a business aspect, I would much rather see a clean finish at WM. I had a new found respect for Miz too exiting WM. Edge/Del Rio was a great match, deserved a better spot on the card though. Cody/Rey was another solid match. 6 man sucked. Orton/Punk was damn good. Cole/Lawler was terrible. UT/HHH was ok. And the mixed tag was too damn short....but was good for the time they had. HHH was ok in the match. No way in hell would I call it his best technical outing. I think you missed a lot of HHH matches in the early 2000s. A lot of what you said about the undercard....I stated as well if you read my posts. But a few cool spots, doesnt make an awesome match. Funny spots doesnt make an awesome match. Cool spots do not make an awesome match. UT/Brock was AWFUL!!!! Their pacing was slower than the dinner line at the old folks home. So again....where is the awesome match? What match was flat out stellar?! Cuz if I go back....pretty much, WM features at least one awesome match. Or some damn good ones. All I hear is the EXACT same thing I have stated numerous times in this thread. WM 30 had some cool spots, some memorable moments, popular results and really good story telling. Tag title match was awesome DB/HHH was very good but dragged a little and there should've been less chain wrestling given the build up but still Shield / NAO and Kane was short but sweet That's all I saw of WM. |
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Post by Quanthor on Apr 7, 2014 20:49:48 GMT -5
No. Not even close...well the first two anyways deserve mention. There really wasn't MOY type of match at Mania this year. You had two matches that came somewhat close to 4 stars and both of those had issues. It can't be "greatest ever" if didn't provide those signature matches.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Apr 7, 2014 21:07:40 GMT -5
I did read your post and it sound a lot like you were just biasing the negatives (even the very minor ones) well above the positives. For example, for the opening match you stated that it was a good match but then constantly kept bringing up that you thought it was too long. While I agree it went a little longer than I wanted, it was a phenomenal match, yet the (literally) 20:00 minute long opening segment isn't getting much flack at all. Even if you discredit the earlier WM's, the WWE might have the most talent on the roster now, but for the past 3 years they have have had almost the same list of talent. This years WM has done the opposite of the past 3 (25, 26, and 28) of the past 5 WM's, which is that it had a lackluster card on paper but was actually a much better show than I anticipated. 27 was absolutely atrocious with a crappy card, with crappy build, with crappy results. 29 had a decent card with a crappy build with lackluster matches. Triple H had probably the best technical outing of his entire career in that match. The Andre Memorial showcased Cesaro's ability and had a lot of cool spots. The tag team match made every single team look good and showcased everyone's abilities. The Shield match showcased them as a unit and had quite a few really funny spots with the NAO. While Kane might not be in bad shape, he isn't in his prime and the NAO have gotten progressively worse as their run has continued. Cena Wyatt had some cool spots. Up until Taker rolled out of the ring, the match showed both working each other over at a decent pace. The Divas match saw some cool spots. The Triple Threat made Bryan look strong as all hell without completely burying the other two guys. But I didnt find it anywhere REMOTELY phenomenal. Good...but it was too long. I'm not gonna leave it out. This isnt a suicide hotline. This is a discussion concerning WM. The opening segment was one of, if not, THE BEST part of WM. Surreal to see Austin, Rock and Hogan all in the ring at the same time. Wasnt exactly sure what was gonna happen here. It was a long segment, but both I and the audience ate it up. It was great. They earned the right to be out there that long. Same reason I wouldnt ask the main event to cut down in time so The Shield could have more time. The main event deserves a good piece of the show. DB deserves this moment...he earned it. I would rather have seen the opening match be cut down, as it wasnt needed and it wasnt the main event. I totally disagree with 27. I think 27 was very well hyped and very well built. And I was SHOCKED Miz retained. Yes, going into that card...I thought the main event was a joke. But both men surprised me in that match. While personally, I loved watching Rock screw Cena over....on a business end, I didnt really care for it. Thinking from a business aspect, I would much rather see a clean finish at WM. I had a new found respect for Miz too exiting WM. Edge/Del Rio was a great match, deserved a better spot on the card though. Cody/Rey was another solid match. 6 man sucked. Orton/Punk was damn good. Cole/Lawler was terrible. UT/HHH was ok. And the mixed tag was too damn short....but was good for the time they had. HHH was ok in the match. No way in hell would I call it his best technical outing. I think you missed a lot of HHH matches in the early 2000s. A lot of what you said about the undercard....I stated as well if you read my posts. But a few cool spots, doesnt make an awesome match. Funny spots doesnt make an awesome match. Cool spots do not make an awesome match. UT/Brock was AWFUL!!!! Their pacing was slower than the dinner line at the old folks home. So again....where is the awesome match? What match was flat out stellar?! Cuz if I go back....pretty much, WM features at least one awesome match. Or some damn good ones. All I hear is the EXACT same thing I have stated numerous times in this thread. WM 30 had some cool spots, some memorable moments, popular results and really good story telling. The only solid matches at 27 were Cody vs Mysterio and Punk vs Orton. Edge vs ADR was alright for what Edge could do at the time. While This Taker match was better than 28 and 30, it still was way too sluggish to be good. The opening segment went 10 minutes to long especially since it consisted of them talking each other up, Hogan continuing to look dumb, Austin not stunning anyone, Rock ad-libbing, and them drinking beer. I have seen quite a large amount of Triple H's stuff from the early 2000's and the most technical he got were chin and butterfly locks as opposed actually applying submissions to the limbs worked over or using some suplex variations. The awesome matches were the preshow and opening matches. The stellar matches were the Andre Memorial and Closing Match. Why does everything have to be a technical masterpiece to be considered good? |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 22:47:51 GMT -5
But I didnt find it anywhere REMOTELY phenomenal. Good...but it was too long. I'm not gonna leave it out. This isnt a suicide hotline. This is a discussion concerning WM. The opening segment was one of, if not, THE BEST part of WM. Surreal to see Austin, Rock and Hogan all in the ring at the same time. Wasnt exactly sure what was gonna happen here. It was a long segment, but both I and the audience ate it up. It was great. They earned the right to be out there that long. Same reason I wouldnt ask the main event to cut down in time so The Shield could have more time. The main event deserves a good piece of the show. DB deserves this moment...he earned it. I would rather have seen the opening match be cut down, as it wasnt needed and it wasnt the main event. I totally disagree with 27. I think 27 was very well hyped and very well built. And I was SHOCKED Miz retained. Yes, going into that card...I thought the main event was a joke. But both men surprised me in that match. While personally, I loved watching Rock screw Cena over....on a business end, I didnt really care for it. Thinking from a business aspect, I would much rather see a clean finish at WM. I had a new found respect for Miz too exiting WM. Edge/Del Rio was a great match, deserved a better spot on the card though. Cody/Rey was another solid match. 6 man sucked. Orton/Punk was damn good. Cole/Lawler was terrible. UT/HHH was ok. And the mixed tag was too damn short....but was good for the time they had. HHH was ok in the match. No way in hell would I call it his best technical outing. I think you missed a lot of HHH matches in the early 2000s. A lot of what you said about the undercard....I stated as well if you read my posts. But a few cool spots, doesnt make an awesome match. Funny spots doesnt make an awesome match. Cool spots do not make an awesome match. UT/Brock was AWFUL!!!! Their pacing was slower than the dinner line at the old folks home. So again....where is the awesome match? What match was flat out stellar?! Cuz if I go back....pretty much, WM features at least one awesome match. Or some damn good ones. All I hear is the EXACT same thing I have stated numerous times in this thread. WM 30 had some cool spots, some memorable moments, popular results and really good story telling. The only solid matches at 27 were Cody vs Mysterio and Punk vs Orton. Edge vs ADR was alright for what Edge could do at the time. While This Taker match was better than 28 and 30, it still was way too sluggish to be good. The opening segment went 10 minutes to long especially since it consisted of them talking each other up, Hogan continuing to look dumb, Austin not stunning anyone, Rock ad-libbing, and them drinking beer. I have seen quite a large amount of Triple H's stuff from the early 2000's and the most technical he got were chin and butterfly locks as opposed actually applying submissions to the limbs worked over or using some suplex variations. The awesome matches were the preshow and opening matches. The stellar matches were the Andre Memorial and Closing Match. Why does everything have to be a technical masterpiece to be considered good? There is a difference between entertaining match and a good match. A battle royal is NEVER a good match. But it can be a highly entertaining match. |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Apr 7, 2014 22:59:15 GMT -5
I would say it is definitely in the Top 5...If you actually look at all the Manias critically, a majority of them have sucked.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 23:13:37 GMT -5
I hate most of you. 1.17 2.19 3.30. Goodnight.
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Post by J12 on Apr 7, 2014 23:36:42 GMT -5
I loved the hell out of the show. It's too early for me to rank it, though I'm relatively confident it won't surpass X-Seven and XIX, which are pretty much firmly rooted as my two favorites.
I could see it eventually cracking top 5, along with Wrestlemania XX.
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WTF?! What match was so awesome?! Its a memorable WM. But the matches were not very good at all....some being downright awful.
