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"In my restless dreams. I see that town...."
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Post by Starscream on Mar 26, 2016 2:33:06 GMT -5
I watched it twice now, what can I say? After reading the initial reviews and how "embarrasing" the movie was I was really bitter and really wanted to hate this movie because maybe this could be it for DC...but I loved it. It is dry and has pacing issues (both not as bad as MoS, which I also love) but the performances and themes plus kick ass action scenes with great comic book moments are really worth it, I went with my family first and they enjoyed it and the next day I went with friends and they also enjoyed it but they commented too much stuff was going on so it was kind of hard to keep up, the fact this movie is not for everyone is something DC and Warner really need to fix. I had fun watching the film, everybody has their own definition of fun and I had more fun with this film than AOU, GOTG and TFA. Best Batman I have ever seen and Superman being my favorite super hero ever was done really well, he was tragic, heroic, relatable and despite all the crap that happens the guy still wants to do the right thing, that is Superman. I wasn't expecting Luthor being...the way he was, at his core he is still the egomaniac mastermind but done in a very different way if you are familiar with any version of Luthor, I liked Eisenberg's Luthor. MAJOR SPOILERS: It's funny how people think "Death Of Superman" was this epic and dramatic event that had YEARS of built up...not really. "The Death of Superman" is not even a great story, has it's moments but is not the greatest thing ever written. It is funny because the movie pretty much was a superior version of that story, you know why? Because "Reign of the Supermen" and "Return of Superman" are the goldmine of the whole "Death and Return" arc, the Death part was only a prologue of the actual real story they wanted to tell. What was the point then? Is there to inspire both Bats and WW to finally have hope, forget the darkness of the past, try to do what is right and have a better organized team so tragedies like the Metropolis Kryptonian attack, the senate bombing and the death of Supes never happen again. It is there so the people, the great citizens of the world finally realize Superman is someone they could trust but nope they (like how we would react if Superman existed) were bungholes who didn't give this man a chance, a man who tried his best to do good and we realize it only when he is dead.
I have one negative...is Flash, Ezra looked so weird in that nightmare scene. Aquaman looks awesome and the Cyborg origin was done well but that Barry Allen is something I will have to get used to.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 26, 2016 3:14:06 GMT -5
MAJOR SPOILERS: It's funny how people think "Death Of Superman" was this epic and dramatic event that had YEARS of built up...not really. "The Death of Superman" is not even a great story, has it's moments but is not the greatest thing ever written. It is funny because the movie pretty much was a superior version of that story, you know why? Because "Reign of the Supermen" and "Return of Superman" are the goldmine of the whole "Death and Return" arc, the Death part was only a prologue of the actual real story they wanted to tell..
Dude... it was a HUGE event - it garnered front page headlines worldwide... and the actual issue became the biggest selling comicbook of all time. Plus we had months of the "Doomsday is coming" build-up and speculation. It doesn't really matter if the actual story was the greatest thing ever written... it was the fact that Superman - a huge cultural icon and much-loved hero who had been around for 50+ years - was going to be killed. That impact is totally lost by killing him at the end of Dawn Of Justice... Superman is still quite new to the planet and hasn't even fully become the hero people know and love. It would have been FAR better to have glimpses or teases of Doomsday in upcoming DC films - and then do the story... make it a HUGE deal. As it is, both the event - and Doomsday - were totally wasted in this film. ...just my opinion, of course.
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Starscream
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Post by Starscream on Mar 26, 2016 3:34:33 GMT -5
MAJOR SPOILERS: It's funny how people think "Death Of Superman" was this epic and dramatic event that had YEARS of built up...not really. "The Death of Superman" is not even a great story, has it's moments but is not the greatest thing ever written. It is funny because the movie pretty much was a superior version of that story, you know why? Because "Reign of the Supermen" and "Return of Superman" are the goldmine of the whole "Death and Return" arc, the Death part was only a prologue of the actual real story they wanted to tell..
Dude... it was a HUGE event - it garnered front page headlines worldwide... and the actual issue became the biggest selling comicbook of all time. Plus we had months of the "Doomsday is coming" build-up and speculation. It doesn't really matter if the actual story was the greatest thing ever written... it was the fact that Superman - a huge cultural icon and much-loved hero who had been around for 50+ years - was going to be killed. That impact is totally lost by killing him at the end of Dawn Of Justice... Superman is still quite new to the planet and hasn't even fully become the hero people know and love. It would have been FAR better to have glimpses or teases of Doomsday in upcoming DC films - and then do the story... make it a HUGE deal. As it is, both the event - and Doomsday - were totally wasted in this film. ...just my opinion, of course. I know the story. You can't expect everything to be 100% like the comics, it's impossible. For me it was better done in this film, Doomsday just can't hold his own movie. Plus is not the nineties anymore, those were different times and it was done more too sell comics (and to waste some time so they could finally marry Supes and Lois) and it worked they wanted impact with the first part and they got it. With the film that "event" was used more as a device to "unite the seven", and again for me it worked great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 8:12:44 GMT -5
Got a kick out of this, I have to admit.
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Post by LtD73 on Mar 26, 2016 13:32:15 GMT -5
Got a kick out of this, I have to admit. I see your Simpsons reference and raise you, SAD AFFLECK
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Post by ricflair4ever on Mar 26, 2016 13:34:48 GMT -5
Got a kick out of this, I have to admit. I see your Simpsons reference and raise you, SAD AFFLECK As someone who thoroughly enjoyed BvS ,AND thought Affleck gave us our most accurate big screen Batman ever..............thats still hilarious.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 26, 2016 14:26:12 GMT -5
2/5. Not as bad as critics are claiming but it was a bit of a mess, especially the first half with the constant scene switching. Batfleck was the one great thing. Best live action Batman and we need a solo Batfleck movie. Gadot was fine but WW wasn't necessary and the movie would have been the same without her. Couldn't stand Eisenberg and didn't buy him as a villain. And I kept getting bad Heath Ledger impressions. The Superman/Lois scenes dragged and I just don't buy their relationship. Seems forced. Superman was bland, but that's on the writing and not Cavill. Snyder needs to go. The final action sequence was cool, and the Batman scenes as well, but he is a bad director and is not what this franchise needs. Back when Man of Steel came out I was convinced it was Cavill that lacked charm and charisma.. Thought he was a terrible actor and a bland person. He is TOTALLY opposite. He's probably got more charisma and character than anyone else in the cast.. After watching him in interviews and watching him in The Man From UNCLE. He has the capability to perform, and it was 100% the writing and direction that made him so boring and bland in MoS. From the previews I saw and the reviews I've read, they have continued the trend in BvS of sucking all the life out of Cavill.. Superman shouldn't be as boring as he is in these movies. He looks miserable in every scene.. Struggling to bark out his dialogue.. I blame Snyder.. Communicate with your actors man. They're looking to you for guidance, guide them! I think the general consensus of this movie is that it had a ton of potential, alot of great elements. Bogged down by poor editing and poor directing. I don't think box office should determine Zack Snyder's future.. And while I imagine it will make a ton of money opening weekend, I do not expect this movie to have legs going into the 2nd and 3rd week.. It needs a billion dollars to make a profit, and it will struggle every step of the way. That isn't true, but I believe the movie will make that much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 15:13:30 GMT -5
I'm headed to watch it now. The reviews tore The Lone Ranger to shreds, and I ended up loving that movie. So let's hope this is the same.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 17:28:18 GMT -5
Got a kick out of this, I have to admit. I see your Simpsons reference and raise you, SAD AFFLECK Yeah, I'm fully aware of that - it's as viral as viral can be.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 26, 2016 17:52:03 GMT -5
marino13's vague movie review...
While still flawed, it was better than Man Of Steel.
Batfleck was awesome! Loved everything about him. Batmobile. Voice. Car chase. Bat-wing. Alfred. Fighting. All of it.
Still a fan of Cavill as Superman. They cast the right guy, just not giving him the best material to work with.
Gadot as Wonder Women was brief but good.
I like Eisenberg as an actor, but I didn't buy into him as Lex Luther.
I hated the flashbacks and dream sequences. I can understand the clips of Bruce's parents dying, but the rest were a waste IMO.
Could have done without the cameo in the arctic. Made no sense, served no purpose.
Some of the dialog was bad.
I think I would have enjoyed Doomsday more had they not revealed him in the trailers. They should have left that as a surprise.
Lois Lane was a waste. Could have killed her off and I would have been okay with that.
Thought the CGI got a bit cheesy looking when they finally teamed up.
Overall I'd give it a 6 outta 10.
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Post by PJ on Mar 26, 2016 18:04:51 GMT -5
Saw a digital copy of BvS was already out for preorder at WalMart. Would have purchased it today, but didn't see it until we we done paying. Will buy it next time I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 18:23:07 GMT -5
Ben Affleck was fantastic. Really enjoyed it
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Post by Word™ on Mar 26, 2016 19:30:29 GMT -5
Back when Man of Steel came out I was convinced it was Cavill that lacked charm and charisma.. Thought he was a terrible actor and a bland person. He is TOTALLY opposite. He's probably got more charisma and character than anyone else in the cast.. After watching him in interviews and watching him in The Man From UNCLE. He has the capability to perform, and it was 100% the writing and direction that made him so boring and bland in MoS. From the previews I saw and the reviews I've read, they have continued the trend in BvS of sucking all the life out of Cavill.. Superman shouldn't be as boring as he is in these movies. He looks miserable in every scene.. Struggling to bark out his dialogue.. I blame Snyder.. Communicate with your actors man. They're looking to you for guidance, guide them! I think the general consensus of this movie is that it had a ton of potential, alot of great elements. Bogged down by poor editing and poor directing. I don't think box office should determine Zack Snyder's future.. And while I imagine it will make a ton of money opening weekend, I do not expect this movie to have legs going into the 2nd and 3rd week.. It needs a billion dollars to make a profit, and it will struggle every step of the way. That isn't true, but I believe the movie will make that much. It needs over 800 million.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Mar 26, 2016 19:58:32 GMT -5
That isn't true, but I believe the movie will make that much. It needs over 800 million. As it stands its the 3rd biggest opening weekend ever just behind Force Awakens and Avengers; its easily going to recoup that money and then some. Not to mention word of mouth is starting to pick up too, this is a movie made for the fans - Affleck is a lifelong Batman fan, Cavill has spent most of the last 5 years researching the characters backstory, and Snyder is a comicbook nut, a fan, a man with an eye for comicbooks and how they can look and SHOULD look on the big screen. Is it flawless, no, but is any film? Every Marvel film has its downfalls, plot-holes, boring moments, inconsistencies with the source material. The last major release, The Force Awakens was a good film yeah, but its the same, its by no means flawless....its a rehash of A New Hope. Now these aren't digs, not at all, I have enjoyed every Marvel film and Im so stoked for Civil War, and I loved TFA too, but BvS is being unfairly held accountable for these flaws that every film suffers from, and people that enjoy it are being equally attacked because apparently having an individual opinion is a bad thing? Warners decided to do something different; unlike Marvel they dont need to introduce their characters, everyone knows Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, so why waste 5-6 years introducing people to them AGAIN which would inevitably lead to moans and groans about them not just getting to the point, why not just get the show going. This Universe is going to be great, a nice departure and change to what Marvel have been doing these last 8 years and frankly we'll be getting a different kind of CBM than we're used to seeing from Marvel or Fox.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 26, 2016 20:12:40 GMT -5
Its really hard trying to not click spoilers since Im not watching it till Monday afternoon.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 26, 2016 22:58:51 GMT -5
That isn't true, but I believe the movie will make that much. It needs over 800 million. No, it doesn't. That number came basically out of thin air by someone who doesn't know much about movie production. Whoever that was (and I don't remember exactly where that started, but I saw multiple pages "reporting" that while just copy and pasting someone's 50-word article) guessed the production budget was $250M. That number hasn't really been confirmed by anyone. They also assumed about $150M in marketing. That number sounds about right to me. After getting the $400M total there they assumed $800M is the break-even number because studios generally get 50% of the total box office take (albeit a smaller fraction from overseas receipts). So that $800M number is just a really, really generalized ballpark number. Check out this link for a detailed breakdown of BvS's budget and revenue streams from this movie. Basically, the studio won't lose money as long as it makes $450M worldwide, after you factor in product placement/tie-ins, pre-sales (which the studio generally gets an enormous slice of, compared to tickets bought at the actual theater), licensing and tax incentives (the production famously got a huge tax break by filming most of the Gotham scenes/establishing shots in bankrupt Detroit). So when you look at what is realistically roughly a $450M break-even figure, consider that the movie is looking to make between $300M-$375M worldwide just in its opening weekend... it could leave theaters at the end of the day tomorrow and recoup the rest the first week it's for sale on Blu-Ray and DVD. Even with the horrible, horrible critical response (plenty of which is warranted, but I still like the movie), this is still going to be a HUGE hit for Warner Brothers. It could have a huge 2nd and 3rd week dropoff and still be one of the top 10-15 grossing movies WB has ever had. The current $171M opening weekend estimate will be the studio's highest opening weekend, and the 7th-highest opening weekend in history.
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Post by Robert69 on Mar 27, 2016 0:45:01 GMT -5
It needs over 800 million. No, it doesn't. That number came basically out of thin air by someone who doesn't know much about movie production. Whoever that was (and I don't remember exactly where that started, but I saw multiple pages "reporting" that while just copy and pasting someone's 50-word article) guessed the production budget was $250M. That number hasn't really been confirmed by anyone. They also assumed about $150M in marketing. That number sounds about right to me. After getting the $400M total there they assumed $800M is the break-even number because studios generally get 50% of the total box office take (albeit a smaller fraction from overseas receipts). So that $800M number is just a really, really generalized ballpark number. Check out this link for a detailed breakdown of BvS's budget and revenue streams from this movie. Basically, the studio won't lose money as long as it makes $450M worldwide, after you factor in product placement/tie-ins, pre-sales (which the studio generally gets an enormous slice of, compared to tickets bought at the actual theater), licensing and tax incentives (the production famously got a huge tax break by filming most of the Gotham scenes/establishing shots in bankrupt Detroit). So when you look at what is realistically roughly a $450M break-even figure, consider that the movie is looking to make between $300M-$375M worldwide just in its opening weekend... it could leave theaters at the end of the day tomorrow and recoup the rest the first week it's for sale on Blu-Ray and DVD. Even with the horrible, horrible critical response (plenty of which is warranted, but I still like the movie), this is still going to be a HUGE hit for Warner Brothers. It could have a huge 2nd and 3rd week dropoff and still be one of the top 10-15 grossing movies WB has ever had. The current $171M opening weekend estimate will be the studio's highest opening weekend, and the 7th-highest opening weekend in history. By the numbers in that article, I'd say $500 mil is the actual sweet spot. Rule of thumb is, you double the budget. Take into account tie-ins, pre-sales, Int'l releases (which they were smart and kept to a narrow window to cut down on the illegal downloads) -- and advertising...then subtract product placement, appearance fees, rights fees, etc -- if the movie has a $200 mil weekend globally, does well over the week, and even has a 50% drop off next weekend, it'll be fine. It has a month to play the field, before Civil War takes over. Also, take into consideration that it's Easter weekend, so numbers will probably drop off a bit tomorrow, BUT most kids will be out for spring break over the next two weeks. BvS is poised to do huge numbers. That $800 mil+ # they're seeing is absolutely ridiculous. Rule of thumb for the movie industry folks, double the budget? That's the amount the movie has to make to bank a profit for most studios (variables not accounted for) Then home sales, downloads, toys, games, etc -- that all comes into play as well. This movie is a monster by all accounts, and the weekend isn't over.
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Post by J12 on Mar 27, 2016 0:48:07 GMT -5
Saw Dawn of Justice tonight. The best thing I could say is that it's a movie.
Michael Bay levels of gratuitous destruction, clunky storytelling, and a grossly inflated run time.
It wasn't awful, but it wasn't good either. It just exists.
It feels to me like Man of Steel and this film tried really hard to match Marvel's style of filmmaking, but neither ascended to the level of even the least impressive Marvel project.
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Post by Mark Martin on Mar 27, 2016 1:08:08 GMT -5
Just saw the movie and it's one of my all-time favorites. I know that's not a popular opinion right now but I honestly didn't see where the criticism was warranted, but that's just 1 DC fan's personal opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2016 10:30:05 GMT -5
I'll never understand the hate for BvS. It wasn't perfect. But man...it was awesome.
My only issue with this that'll be resolved when the Director's Cut is released is the editing.
It was very disjointed. But holy Hell, it was a good freakin movie.
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