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Post by JokerFC on Jun 28, 2016 4:53:57 GMT -5
Wouldn't the introduction of the heroes have been much better if they did something like this: There is small scene where Batman finds a mother box in the aftermath of the battle and he is horrified to recognise it from his vision/dream.....he relays his fears to WW after the funeral when they are talking and says they need to "organise" because something worse may be on the horizon. They both say they know of people they could approach and they part ways. Cue to Flash zipping down an alleyway and letting himself in through the back door of his apartment when he turns around to see Batman skulking on a fire escape. He says "how did you know about me" and he simple replies "that's what I do" with a wicked smirk. we then cut to see WW standing on the rocks of a beach in her full WW garb with Amazonian cloak. The sea gets unsettled and Aquaman rises slowly from the ocean as he strides onto the beach. He plants the trident in the rocks aggressively and tells Diana " I told you never to contact me again" he turns to leave but she grabs him and begs him to listen saying that "something terrible is coming our way and we need you Arthur" and that she would never have broken her word to contact him if she wasn't genuinely worried.... he simply replies "I'm listening" I don't care about Cyborg so I couldn't come up with anything meaningful for his intro. Much better.. I honestly don't know who approved of the JL introduction.. Might be the laziest piece of shoe horning I've ever seen in a film.. Them going to different locations gathering the intell and or literally anything other than stumbling upon a folder on a hard drive.. "oh I stumbled upon such a thing". Yeah it was dire IMO and just incredibly lazy for such an important piece of their universe building. They were trying so hard NOT to be Marvel they really screwed themselves on this movie. Its made worse then when you look at the excellent job Marvel/Russos did with introducing Panther & Spidey in an already jam packed Civil War. The sheer amount of people that asked me about Bruces visions and the CCTV footage......it was all rendered so poorly. I LOVED the vision of the Injustice type future but man oh man.......it needed to happen when Bruce touched a mother box or something. Not just out of the blue with an unrecognisable Flash. to quote my friend Paul? "if you don't know what's happening and your into all this? how the f*ck are the likes of us supposed to know" blunt but fair estimation.
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Post by IRS on Jun 28, 2016 5:21:40 GMT -5
Concept art for Justice League: I'm really not digging that Flash. I don't really mind Flash but I really don't like the version of barry Allen their seemingly going with based on the cctv footage from BvS. Yeah... everything about the movie universe Flash just feels unappealing to me. Maybe it's because there's already such a great, near-perfect version on TV. I know you can't exactly do JL without Flash, but it just seems like it's built to fall on its face out of the gate - much like most of what DC has done so far.
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Post by PJ on Jun 28, 2016 14:14:06 GMT -5
So as many know I had preordered the digital BvS a few months back and it went live last night at Midnight. So I rewatched the theatrical version then and this morning I watched the Ultimate Extended director's cut. I will say that the extended version does a much better job of telling the story of why Batman and Superman square off, but it still misses on explaining the dream sequences for those who didn't know about Parademons, Darkseid, Apocalypse etc..
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 28, 2016 14:39:00 GMT -5
I'm going to try and check out the extended version this week or by this weekend at least. It really rattles my cage that this movie sucks. Zack Snyder deserves an arrant kick in the nuts for this sh*t.
As far as Leto as Joker; I'm a fan of the guy but it's the look that bothers me. I'm sure he'll act the part in a unique and admirable way but they made him look like a trailer trash drug dealer from a 90s movie. Every time I see him I think of Drexl Spivey from True Romance.
Even with that though, Affleck, Leto and Robbie all in the same solo Bats film would be incredible. That's the dream for me out of all of this DCCU stuff. That's literally the only reason I'm going to see Suicide Squad is because we're getting all 3 characters in the same place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 16:22:10 GMT -5
Batman v Superman was a total letdown to me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:55:52 GMT -5
Batman v Superman was a total letdown to me Affleck was the best part for me. I'm excited for his future solo films.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 28, 2016 17:59:07 GMT -5
I don't really mind Flash but I really don't like the version of barry Allen their seemingly going with based on the cctv footage from BvS. Yeah... everything about the movie universe Flash just feels unappealing to me. Maybe it's because there's already such a great, near-perfect version on TV. I know you can't exactly do JL without Flash, but it just seems like it's built to fall on its face out of the gate - much like most of what DC has done so far. Yup.....I LOVE the Flash TV show but I'm telling ya this.......it isn't going to last in its current form. If DC/WBs media division cant tolerate TV versions of small fish Deadshot & Waller or even of the squad itself with different membership? There is NO WAY they will tolerate a small screen Barry Allen. West getting caught in the blast was the start of the end for Gustins Allen IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 18:02:07 GMT -5
Batman v Superman was a total letdown to me Affleck was the best part for me. I'm excited for his future solo films. At first I didn't like him in the role. He grew on me as Bruce, but I didn't like him as Batman. I have never enjoyed Superman, so I wasn't expecting a whole lot anyway. But I left feeling empty
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Post by IRS on Jun 28, 2016 18:11:51 GMT -5
Yeah... everything about the movie universe Flash just feels unappealing to me. Maybe it's because there's already such a great, near-perfect version on TV. I know you can't exactly do JL without Flash, but it just seems like it's built to fall on its face out of the gate - much like most of what DC has done so far. Yup.....I LOVE the Flash TV show but I'm telling ya this.......it isn't going to last in its current form. If DC/WBs media division cant tolerate TV versions of small fish Deadshot & Waller or even of the squad itself with different membership? There is NO WAY they will tolerate a small screen Barry Allen. West getting caught in the blast was the start of the end for Gustins Allen IMHO. Not gonna lie, I had the same thought. But at the same time, I read that Geoff Johns is a lot more free with character use than they were before - especially with Flash. I mean, we're getting Superman on Supergirl next season. It's impossible to trust that they wouldn't necessarily go that route, though. And after further deliberation, I think the Flash suit looks like some cross between Iron Man and Daredevil.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 28, 2016 18:25:13 GMT -5
Yup.....I LOVE the Flash TV show but I'm telling ya this.......it isn't going to last in its current form. If DC/WBs media division cant tolerate TV versions of small fish Deadshot & Waller or even of the squad itself with different membership? There is NO WAY they will tolerate a small screen Barry Allen. West getting caught in the blast was the start of the end for Gustins Allen IMHO. Not gonna lie, I had the same thought. But at the same time, I read that Geoff Johns is a lot more free with character use than they were before - especially with Flash. I mean, we're getting Superman on Supergirl next season. It's impossible to trust that they wouldn't necessarily go that route, though. And after further deliberation, I think the Flash suit looks like some cross between Iron Man and Daredevil. I doubt Johns will change much......DC/WBs media division has been at this same shite now for so long. I will admit though its earth shattering that Superman will appear on Supergirl. However her show NEEDS him every now and again(I'm betting he will be a once or twice a season guy) because Supergirl more than any of the other sidekicks needs her parent character because of their "last of their kind" connection. Its just not palatable that they wouldn't be meeting up etc etc. Its also very telling that Berlanti was told to hide his face in the pilot and make it work without him......but when Supergirl moves to the CW? they can use him every now and again......If she was still at NBC or wherever no way(IMO) would they have signed off on him appearing. But that's just my twopennies!! LOL PJ I'm glad to hear you liked the ultimate cut better.....I'm hearing more and more good things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:01:57 GMT -5
I read a fan theory earlier about Jason Todd being The Joker in Suicide Squad, and not the actual Joker. I think it would be pretty cool, honestly.
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Post by Word™ on Jun 28, 2016 22:07:59 GMT -5
Trying to muscle through the Ultimate Cut of BvS.. Nothing has been added to this feature that changes how piss poor the writing is.. Really cringe worthy alot of times.. And my opinion hasn't changed.. IDK what bothers me more, this awful portrayal of Lex Luthor. Or Superman moping around hating his life.. Nothing is more depressing than watching Superman act depressed. "oh, I'm saving thousands of lives, what a burden, why me" What is killing the DC Universe for me right now is how ing GROUNDED they make it.. Just go balls out, make a comic book movie. Stop trying to mirror Nolan's universe.. If they stuck to their source material more, with this cast.. Sky would be the limit.. But instead they want to create this "what if these people existed in OUR world" bullsh*t.
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Post by johnnyb on Jun 29, 2016 2:14:30 GMT -5
Just finished my second go with the Ultimate Edition. I have kind of mixed feelings about it. I want to preface all of this by saying that overall I like the movie pretty well (like I'd give it somewhere around a 6.5/10 on a scale of Thor: The Dark World to The Dark Knight) and I will continue to support it because I believe in the DC Cinematic Universe (especially Ben Affleck's Batman). I do feel like there is plenty of room for constructive criticism, however. One thing I think is clear is that it is definitely a better movie than the theatrical release. I don't think many people would argue that, particularly those who liked the original cut. It's just.... the extra 30 minutes helps but it's only marginally better... like 15% better because it fleshes out a few of the dangling plot threads (I'll tag in spoilers for those who haven't seen this and/or the theatrical cut): - Desert scene makes way more sense, though it includes the maddening realization that Snyder killed off ing Jimmy Olsen and thought fans would appreciate it as an easter egg!!
- Superman/Clark's reason for distrust/disapproval of Batman's crime fighting methods is explained through his brief investigation scenes
- The "Bat branding" that was described as a death sentence was clarified as being an ordered hit by Luthor, which I deduced from my first viewing in theaters -- the fact that Batman doesn't brand anyone after the first criminal is murdered in prison is a welcome bit of character development
- Extended/alternate scenes between Luthor and the Senator make more sense and it becomes apparent that the hearing was partly going to be to expose his crimes
[/span][/li][/ul] The pacing is slightly better, and there are fewer jarring cuts that mostly took me out of the theatrical version. It unfortunately does nothing to resolve the fatal flaws of poor characterization -- especially, in order: Batman murdering in cold blood, Superman being a selfish, mopey loser, and Lex Luthor's third act behavior being incomprehensibly stupid and senseless. But I mean.... this movie is almost three hours long from the beginning until the credits roll. That is way too long for a superhero movie, especially one with as little action as this one has. I think The Dark Knight was a huge outlier and it's unfortunate that 90% of the major superhero movies since then have clocked in at over 2:15. You can get away with that if you're making a great movie like TDK was... but there's no reason Iron Man 2/3, Cap 2/3, Avengers 2/3 all needed to be that long. This movie in particular is a total slog. All of that said, however, there is probably a way to slice this beast down to a little over two hours and improving it dramatically. You can remove some of the subplots, trim the Batmobile chase scene, tone down Batman's needless brutality, get rid of Lois' stupid handling of the spear etc etc, and somewhere in there you might find a good movie. A little over a month until Suicide Squad!
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Post by Word™ on Jun 29, 2016 2:53:10 GMT -5
The film as a whole is very bleak and depressing.. It drains you emotionally if you're emotionally invested in watching it..
There is no joy, there is no fun.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jun 29, 2016 17:40:24 GMT -5
Just finished my second go with the Ultimate Edition. I have kind of mixed feelings about it. I want to preface all of this by saying that overall I like the movie pretty well (like I'd give it somewhere around a 6.5/10 on a scale of Thor: The Dark World to The Dark Knight) and I will continue to support it because I believe in the DC Cinematic Universe (especially Ben Affleck's Batman). I do feel like there is plenty of room for constructive criticism, however. One thing I think is clear is that it is definitely a better movie than the theatrical release. I don't think many people would argue that, particularly those who liked the original cut. It's just.... the extra 30 minutes helps but it's only marginally better... like 15% better because it fleshes out a few of the dangling plot threads (I'll tag in spoilers for those who haven't seen this and/or the theatrical cut): - Desert scene makes way more sense, though it includes the maddening realization that Snyder killed off ing Jimmy Olsen and thought fans would appreciate it as an easter egg!!
- Superman/Clark's reason for distrust/disapproval of Batman's crime fighting methods is explained through his brief investigation scenes
- The "Bat branding" that was described as a death sentence was clarified as being an ordered hit by Luthor, which I deduced from my first viewing in theaters -- the fact that Batman doesn't brand anyone after the first criminal is murdered in prison is a welcome bit of character development
- Extended/alternate scenes between Luthor and the Senator make more sense and it becomes apparent that the hearing was partly going to be to expose his crimes
[/span][/li][/ul] The pacing is slightly better, and there are fewer jarring cuts that mostly took me out of the theatrical version. It unfortunately does nothing to resolve the fatal flaws of poor characterization -- especially, in order: Batman murdering in cold blood, Superman being a selfish, mopey loser, and Lex Luthor's third act behavior being incomprehensibly stupid and senseless. But I mean.... this movie is almost three hours long from the beginning until the credits roll. That is way too long for a superhero movie, especially one with as little action as this one has. I think The Dark Knight was a huge outlier and it's unfortunate that 90% of the major superhero movies since then have clocked in at over 2:15. You can get away with that if you're making a great movie like TDK was... but there's no reason Iron Man 2/3, Cap 2/3, Avengers 2/3 all needed to be that long. This movie in particular is a total slog. All of that said, however, there is probably a way to slice this beast down to a little over two hours and improving it dramatically. You can remove some of the subplots, trim the Batmobile chase scene, tone down Batman's needless brutality, get rid of Lois' stupid handling of the spear etc etc, and somewhere in there you might find a good movie. A little over a month until Suicide Squad![/quote] Thor: Dark World > BvS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 8:54:05 GMT -5
So I saw BvS and I thought it was Okay. It wasn't really a chit storm, it was fine I did think s9me spots were stupid but I don't think it should've gotten the critical bashing it got. 7.5/10
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 15:47:23 GMT -5
I haven't seen the BVS Ultimate Edition yet. I'm gonna see it this weekend. I have the original theatrical release of BVS a 6/10, due to it being lacking, but I'm hoping that the Ultimate Edition will bring my rating up to a 7 or an 8 out of ten.
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 6, 2016 16:10:19 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out the DC Superhero Girls webseries? I watched all of the episodes that are available and thought the show was pretty interesting. It kinda has an Elseworlds feel to it
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 6, 2016 18:14:02 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out the DC Superhero Girls webseries? I watched all of the episodes that are available and thought the show was pretty interesting. It kinda has an Elseworlds feel to it My five-year-old daughter really likes it... the two-minute episodes are kind of neat I guess, but I wish the show had normal 20-minute episodes. I'm very happy to see an all-female series as successful as this one is... it's really great for my kids to live in a world with comic book TV series like this one.
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 6, 2016 19:24:30 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out the DC Superhero Girls webseries? I watched all of the episodes that are available and thought the show was pretty interesting. It kinda has an Elseworlds feel to it My five-year-old daughter really likes it... the two-minute episodes are kind of neat I guess, but I wish the show had normal 20-minute episodes. I'm very happy to see an all-female series as successful as this one is... it's really great for my kids to live in a world with comic book TV series like this one. It is interesting. DC tried to do something like this back in the early 2000s called Gotham Girls
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