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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 3, 2016 23:14:55 GMT -5
It's called the DC Extended Universe because of all these extended editions.. It's like trying to be a gamer over the last decade of so. We'll sell you this game, but it's only like 60-75% of the game, you have to download the rest for even more money. WB/DC seems to be trying the same thing. We're only going to show you 60% of the movie. You want the rest? You gots to pay, maggle!
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Post by Cameron Stone on Aug 3, 2016 23:25:00 GMT -5
Suicide Squad
Those who know me know that despite not really liking Man of Steel or BvS, I was really looking forward to this movie. The trailers really hooked me, and I like a lot of these characters. This was the movie that I wanted to turn things around for me in my enjoyment of the DCEU. And it ended up being a huge letdown. It's mediocre at best. I'll start off by saying I had more fun with this than I did with Batman v Superman. It didn't take itself as grimly or as seriously, and allowed itself to have fun. The problem is David Ayer is actually good at making intense, grim and serious stuff, and clearly wasn't prepared to handle the comedic aspect.
The opening half hour is where the movie is strongest. It's where all of the members of the Squad are being introduced in essentially short vignettes. These are great, though the implementation of the soundtrack is way too forced, as there are tons of classic rock songs being shoehorned in like it's trying desperately to capture a bit of what Guardians of the Galaxy did. It's so forced though that it just doesn't work.
But the opening act is a lot of fun. But once the main plot gets going the film kind of goes off the rails. The writing becomes extremely questionable, too many groan inducing one liners that don't hit start getting thrown around, and something about the dynamic of the characters just never gels. So many of them have an identity crisis. I couldn't figure out what they were trying to do with several, such as Killer Croc.
That being said, El Diablo was a huge standout in my mind that seems to be getting left out of a lot of reviews. I found his arc interesting, and he ended up being sympathetic and also badass. He unfortunately doesn't get enough focus. He was the character I cared about finding more about most.
Margot Robbie and Will Smith do a great job. The script let's them down, but given what they had to work with, they were awesome. Though Deadshot's motivations tend to be a little inconsistent.
Joker will be a mixed bag with people. I personally enjoyed the portrayal. It's not like a Joker we've seen before. He's more of a gangster mob boss type, which is neat. He feels very unpredictable, and the moments he pops up in the movie are great. He became a wildcard, and he outshines the main villain completely.
Speaking of the villain, without spoilers, it's the entire reason the movie fell apart completely for me in the final act. The villain was completely underdeveloped and quite frankly lame. One of the worst superhero film villains I've ever seen. The villains minions also have an awful character design. The action scenes become a bit tedious, because there's no investment whatsoever, and they aren't particularly interesting. The first one is fun, but they're all kind of the same.
I had some fun with this movie. There will be some who love it, I think mostly because of Harley Quinn, but it will have its Defenders. It also isn't worth some of the slanderous reviews it's getting.
At the end of the day, this is not the slam dunk that DC needed. It is just incredibly Meh and average. It can still be a fun time out at the theater if you shut your brain off and go to enjoy a summer blockbuster. But there is no real argument to be made that this is a great film. If you like Batman v Superman you'll probably enjoy this a lot. But if you're not into the DCEU so far, this won't likely win you over. I didn't hate this movie. But I wasn't impressed either.
5/10
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 0:02:27 GMT -5
Review on the left is a little effusive (as were the early screenings of BVS), but from what I've read, one of the biggest differences between the earlier cut and the theatrical cut is reduced screen time for Batman and especially The Joker. It seems unlikely to me that we're going to see the true Director's Cut of this movie, especially since David Ayer said at the critics screening on Monday that he isn't expecting any sort of extended edition to be released like they did for the Ultimate Edition of BVS. Everything I've heard about the Batfleck scenes in particular makes it sound like this version is a lot better than the one we saw earlier this year.
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Post by Word™ on Aug 4, 2016 0:31:19 GMT -5
It's called the DC Extended Universe because of all these extended editions.. It's like trying to be a gamer over the last decade of so. We'll sell you this game, but it's only like 60-75% of the game, you have to download the rest for even more money. WB/DC seems to be trying the same thing. We're only going to show you 60% of the movie. You want the rest? You gots to pay, maggle! holy sh*t, you might be onto something..
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Post by The Yes Man on Aug 4, 2016 1:10:26 GMT -5
I haven't watched a second of any of the DC movies, but I want to watch Suicide Squad. Should I watch Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman first?
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Post by Cameron Stone on Aug 4, 2016 1:13:28 GMT -5
I haven't watched a second of any of the DC movies, but I want to watch Suicide Squad. Should I watch Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman first? Only if you feel like it. References are made to them, but it wouldn't really affect your understanding of Suicide Squad
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 1:41:19 GMT -5
It's called the DC Extended Universe because of all these extended editions.. It's like trying to be a gamer over the last decade of so. We'll sell you this game, but it's only like 60-75% of the game, you have to download the rest for even more money. WB/DC seems to be trying the same thing. We're only going to show you 60% of the movie. You want the rest? You gots to pay, maggle! I don't really know this because I typically only buy digital copies... Did the Ultimate Edition cost more on DVD/Blu-RAY than a usual movie does? All versions came with both the theatrical and extended cuts right? Seems like they gave us a theatrical release, and then have us a better version of it essentially for free (including a free limited theatrical engagement), provided we would have bought it on home video anyway. How many people truly disliked the theatrical version, then bought the Ultimate Edition and disliked that too (compared to those who otherwise would have bought the DVD even without a new cut)? I feel like the idea that they're forcing the DCEU fans to double dip is a little overblown. Every movie that comes out in theaters has exclusive-to-DVD features.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 5:58:35 GMT -5
My brother just came back from seeing Suicide Squad with his missus...said it was fantastic.
I'm still not sure if I plan on seeing it, but I'm glad he enjoyed it.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 4, 2016 11:50:15 GMT -5
Comingsoon.net gave it a good review too. They said it was flawed, disjointed and full of WTF moments but was still enjoyable.
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 4, 2016 14:49:09 GMT -5
It's like trying to be a gamer over the last decade of so. We'll sell you this game, but it's only like 60-75% of the game, you have to download the rest for even more money. WB/DC seems to be trying the same thing. We're only going to show you 60% of the movie. You want the rest? You gots to pay, maggle! I don't really know this because I typically only buy digital copies... Did the Ultimate Edition cost more on DVD/Blu-RAY than a usual movie does? All versions came with both the theatrical and extended cuts right? Seems like they gave us a theatrical release, and then have us a better version of it essentially for free (including a free limited theatrical engagement), provided we would have bought it on home video anyway. How many people truly disliked the theatrical version, then bought the Ultimate Edition and disliked that too (compared to those who otherwise would have bought the DVD even without a new cut)? I feel like the idea that they're forcing the DCEU fans to double dip is a little overblown. Every movie that comes out in theaters has exclusive-to-DVD features. The Ultimate Edition did indeed cost more. There was an Ultimate Edition with both theatrical and extended releases and there was just a theatrical version, but oddly enough...there was no version with JUST the extended film.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 4, 2016 20:23:09 GMT -5
I'm seeing it tomorrow. I'm kind of excited yet kind of worried. Mostly everything I've read or listened to, says the film was straddled with problems over editing and schedule. And that WB really hurt the final product. It's a shame if true, because I really think they had something here.
I think the problem nowadays is, every studio wants their "MCU franchise". So we get Sony with Spiderman/Ghostbusters and WB with their DCEU. Both rushing & micromanaging a film to the point where they are releasing bad films. Then again, I could be wrong.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 20:51:03 GMT -5
Just got back from Suicide Squad. One word.... WELP
DCEU needs to keep Affleck and Gal Gadot (and maybe a couple of Squad characters) but burn the rest of it to the ground. What a disaster!
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 4, 2016 21:06:19 GMT -5
Just got back from Suicide Squad. One word.... WELP DCEU needs to keep Affleck and Gal Gadot (and maybe a couple of Squad characters) but burn the rest of it to the ground. What a disaster! Yikes. That bad huh? So, are Margot Robbie and Jai Courtney the best of the bunch? Because honestly, as fun as the movie looked, I was drawn to Harley and Boomerang whenever I saw them. They struck me as probably being the highlights.
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Post by mikey1974 on Aug 4, 2016 21:41:10 GMT -5
Just got back from SS. It is deeply flawed, the villain's motivation is cookie cutter at best, but I enjoyed it a lot. Characters were mostly good, and there was definitely chemistry there. Harley Quinn steals the film, and I really hope we see Joker and Harley continue their crazy, doomed relationship. This film actually made me believe in their love, even if Joker's take is more obsessive/compulsive and has the potential for killing her at any moment. Diablo was a standout, and he had the most complete character arc of them all. Big Willy was decent as Deadshot, I had no issues with his portrayal, even as they gave it a bit of a " he's a good man who does bad things " spin. Bat fleck was in it more than I expected. And keep an eye out for the pink unicorn.
If you want a deep, plot driven film, this isn't for you. If you want a fun action film with some decent characters, you may end up enjoying yourself.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 21:47:53 GMT -5
Just got back from Suicide Squad. One word.... WELP DCEU needs to keep Affleck and Gal Gadot (and maybe a couple of Squad characters) but burn the rest of it to the ground. What a disaster! Yikes. That bad huh? So, are Margot Robbie and Jai Courtney the best of the bunch? Because honestly, as fun as the movie looked, I was drawn to Harley and Boomerang whenever I saw them. They struck me as probably being the highlights. I like all of the actors and think they're well-cast (and even Will Smith's Deadshot, who dominates the movie, doesn't feel out of place). Boomerang was my favorite character but he didn't really have anything to do. Margot is fantastic. Rick Flagg is another standout performance... I expected him to be really boring but I ended up liking his character a lot.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 21:49:47 GMT -5
Just got back from SS. It is deeply flawed, the villain's motivation is cookie cutter at best, but I enjoyed it a lot. Characters were mostly good, and there was definitely chemistry there. Harley Quinn steals the film, and I really hope we see Joker and Harley continue their crazy, doomed relationship. This film actually made me believe in their love, even if Joker's take is more obsessive/compulsive and has the potential for killing her at any moment. Diablo was a standout, and he had the most complete character arc of them all. Big Willy was decent as Deadshot, I had no issues with his portrayal, even as they gave it a bit of a " he's a good man who does bad things " spin. Bat fleck was in it more than I expected. And keep an eye out for the pink unicorn. If you want a deep, plot driven film, this isn't for you. If you want a fun action film with some decent characters, you may end up enjoying yourself. Definitely a lot of chemistry -- you won't find a movie these days with this big a cast where you can tell the actors are all having a ton of fun together. Only bad part is you can tell the movie was butchered in editing/reshoots so characters behave a little erratically and some of them don't need to be in it at all.
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Post by Word™ on Aug 4, 2016 21:55:24 GMT -5
Just got back from Suicide Squad. One word.... WELP DCEU needs to keep Affleck and Gal Gadot (and maybe a couple of Squad characters) but burn the rest of it to the ground. What a disaster! They need to keep the big 3.. Cavill included, I believe he has a mass amount of untapped potential as Superman. Ezra Miller needs to go, they need to get rid of the Cyborg character all together and use Green Lantern.. Jason Momoa might be okay, but who knows..
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 22:02:40 GMT -5
Just got back from Suicide Squad. One word.... WELP DCEU needs to keep Affleck and Gal Gadot (and maybe a couple of Squad characters) but burn the rest of it to the ground. What a disaster! They need to keep the big 3.. Cavill included, I believe he has a mass amount of untapped potential as Superman. Ezra Miller needs to go, they need to get rid of the Cyborg character all together and use Green Lantern.. Jason Momoa might be okay, but who knows.. Ooh I forgot about Momoa. I'd definitely keep him. I like Cavill as an actor but he's been the worst cinematic Superman so far (mostly through no fault of his own). I think the jury's still out on Ezra Miller as the Flash, though I think he's an extremely talented actor so I want to give him benefit of the doubt. But Affleck is the only hill I'd die on trying to make the DCEU work. The Wonder Woman movie looks like it has a lot of potential too, but we'll have to see... story was co-written by Snyder.
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Post by YES! YES! YES! on Aug 4, 2016 22:14:16 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed Suicide Squad. There were some WTF moments, but it was honestly a fun movie.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 4, 2016 22:33:58 GMT -5
I've been going back-and-forth with a guy on twitter, and came to the realization:
Here's a list of characters that didn't need to be in this movie: Joker, Croc, Boomerang, Katana. None of them have any sort of character arc and none of them are essential in either completing the mission (from Flagg/Waller's perspectives) or fleshing out a complete story. I get that they wanted to get a bunch of characters in the movie so they could sell Funko Pops and t-shirts and whatnot, but still... you should never leave a movie and say "I don't understand why _____ is in this movie."
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