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Post by Robert69 on May 24, 2014 0:15:08 GMT -5
You coming back 2 hours later to get your point across bout David Goyer is one of the funniest things I've seen all week! I'm sorry -- was I supposed to sit on WFigs eagerly anticipating your response, and be ready to jump at a moment's notice in his defense? And I do believe our original conversation was about Joel Schumacher, not David Goyer. I've got my own work to do. On my own stuff. This is a conversation about two individuals who get paid, very, very handsomely to do what they do...and my view point as to why they do. I'll get to it, when I get to it. If they need to be defended on the ready, they're welcome to sign up on a toy forum, and defend themselves more adamantly.
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Post by Tye Hyll on May 24, 2014 0:18:22 GMT -5
To me a hack is a guy who had one hit and rides that flame their entire career while not producing anything else good.
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Post by Robert69 on May 24, 2014 0:21:14 GMT -5
To me a hack is a guy who had one hit and rides that flame their entire career while not producing anything else good. So -- Drama, from Entourage? (Highly recommend the show if you're going to say you haven't seen it) Alright, I can see that. And agree with it. I STILL don't think Goyer fits that bill, though. I'm trying to think of some people. The ones that come to mind are the guys and gals who do Cons and stuff, now...Kane Hodder for example. I hate to call that dude a hack, though.
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Post by Word™ on May 24, 2014 1:26:01 GMT -5
You coming back 2 hours later to get your point across bout David Goyer is one of the funniest things I've seen all week! I'm sorry -- was I supposed to sit on WFigs eagerly anticipating your response, and be ready to jump at a moment's notice in his defense? And I do believe our original conversation was about Joel Schumacher, not David Goyer. I've got my own work to do. On my own stuff. This is a conversation about two individuals who get paid, very, very handsomely to do what they do...and my view point as to why they do. I'll get to it, when I get to it. If they need to be defended on the ready, they're welcome to sign up on a toy forum, and defend themselves more adamantly. I was not talking about you?
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Post by Robert69 on May 24, 2014 1:28:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry -- was I supposed to sit on WFigs eagerly anticipating your response, and be ready to jump at a moment's notice in his defense? And I do believe our original conversation was about Joel Schumacher, not David Goyer. I've got my own work to do. On my own stuff. This is a conversation about two individuals who get paid, very, very handsomely to do what they do...and my view point as to why they do. I'll get to it, when I get to it. If they need to be defended on the ready, they're welcome to sign up on a toy forum, and defend themselves more adamantly. I was not talking about you? Then I apologize. The way it read seemed like you were. My mistake.
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Post by Word™ on May 24, 2014 1:28:28 GMT -5
Goyer does have alot of big budget, big name movies under his belt as credits, which is crazy to think about..
How do you come up with a story for something and have no writing input on the screenplay?
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Post by Robert69 on May 24, 2014 2:32:02 GMT -5
Goyer does have alot of big budget, big name movies under his belt as credits, which is crazy to think about.. How do you come up with a story for something and have no writing input on the screenplay? I'm actually working on a Feature script for an animated movie right now that is just like that. The Producer/Director had a guy who's got a solid story idea, but has no real experience writing. So they contacted me. He gets the "Story by" credit, while I get the "Screenplay by" -- and basically all I do is take his idea, and make it whole. Make it flow. It's my job not just to write the script, but to make sure the entire thing makes sense. And every few days, I'll ship him what I've worked on, he gives notes, or feedback, and I fix it, or move on, etc... So -- one can come up with the story, and have input, while not actually have WRITING input. Simply because they don't know how to properly do it. If that makes sense?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 4:43:02 GMT -5
The Number 23 was another good one Phone Booth. So much win in Phone Booth. I love Phone Booth. I didn't know that was Joel.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 5:52:52 GMT -5
I still think Batman Forever is the worst Batman film ever made. How people can justify it is beyond me. It had even cheaper looking sets and effects than Batman and Robin and was just so much worse. I love Batman Forever. A few reasons: Carrey as Riddler was entertaining. Energetically over-the-top. I bought O'Donnell as Robin. He was at least somewhat a bad ass -- BnR made him a whiny lil brat. Kilmer is the closest we've gotten so far to pulling off BOTH Bats/Bruce Nicole Kidman is effing hot. "Kiss from a Rose" is STILL a classic song. Was still semi-serious, while embracing a live-action feel to the cartoon. The color palate they used was exceptional. There was enough of Burton's influence still in this one, while Schumacher's ideas worked their best. Had the scenes that were cut out remained -- and it had the dark tone it was originally meant too -- I still think it would be one of the top rated Bats films along with TDK and Batman Begins... 90% agreed. It wouldn't ever top Batman 89 for me BUT I get what your saying completely.
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Post by Robert69 on May 25, 2014 2:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 3:20:03 GMT -5
I have a question......
Everybody keeps saying they are going for an "older semi retired Batman" is there any basis in reality for this? I mean from Snyder? Affleck doesn't project Oldbats to me and I dearly hope that isn't what they are driving for.
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Post by Robert69 on May 25, 2014 3:37:21 GMT -5
I have a question...... Everybody keeps saying they are going for an "older semi retired Batman" is there any basis in reality for this? I mean from Snyder? Affleck doesn't project Oldbats to me and I dearly hope that isn't what they are driving for. Yeah, they've all noted it. Snyder, Affleck, Kevin Smith, Affleck's wife. It's pretty common knowledge. Affleck's in his 40s now -- Cavill is still early/mid 30s...they don't want an old Batman so much as just someone who's been around considerably longer than Superman has. Someone that has the wisdom to come with say -- 20 years -- on the job. His experience, knowledge, and wisdom to counter Supes' strength. He's not supposed to be beaten down, which is what I think a LOT of people are reading from it...he's just -- been around the block.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 4:44:21 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I want......an established Batman not a crock Batman. we already got that in DKR.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 5:45:04 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I want......an established Batman not a crock Batman. we already got that in DKR. Hopefully it also looks to be a Batman that doesn't just want to be a three to four year symbol and inspiration for the people with plans at a drop of the hat to shut down his whole operation....and one that's smart enough to be more prepared going into a fight against Bane and not get himself trapped in a cage with him....I understand Bane defeated him in Knightfall too, but at least it was done as an ambush of sorts. Batman didn't really see it coming. In DKR the way it was done just made Batman look like some headstrong punk going at him with fists when there were other ways he could have approached taking him down.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 5:59:25 GMT -5
Yeah that's what I want......an established Batman not a crock Batman. we already got that in DKR. Hopefully it also looks to be a Batman that doesn't just want to be a three to four year symbol and inspiration for the people with plans to shut down his whole operation....and one that's smart enough to be more prepared going into a fight against Bane and not get himself trapped in a cage with him. LOL....fair point well made. as a fan of Affleck's casting I want him to be a Batman at the height of his abilities.....NOT shaken out of retirement by the arrival of Superman which is what this is starting to sound like.
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Post by Jacob on May 25, 2014 9:55:37 GMT -5
As long as Affleck doesn't hobble around on a cane for 40 minutes of the movie, I'll be happy.
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Post by Robert69 on May 25, 2014 11:57:43 GMT -5
Hopefully it also looks to be a Batman that doesn't just want to be a three to four year symbol and inspiration for the people with plans to shut down his whole operation....and one that's smart enough to be more prepared going into a fight against Bane and not get himself trapped in a cage with him. LOL....fair point well made. as a fan of Affleck's casting I want him to be a Batman at the height of his abilities.....NOT shaken out of retirement by the arrival of Superman which is what this is starting to sound like. Well, to an extent he IS shaken out of semi-retirement by Superman arriving. He's an alien. Anyone would... But he's also still a beast. It's the point in his career where, I think, he's made a marked improvement on the city. If he goes out every night it's not to stop super-villains...it's to stop purse snatchers -- that's semi-retirement for Batman, to me, you know what I'm saying?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 12:02:58 GMT -5
As long as Affleck doesn't hobble around on a cane for 40 minutes of the movie, I'll be happy. Im telling ya now lads if batman is any of the following in this movie I will assassinate someone @ WB in retaliation. 1)Batman is a broken down mess shaken out of retirement by the events in Metroplois 2)Batman is semi retired and not really into it any more 3)Batman is not in the zenith of physical conditioning I have no problem with him being older(not MUCH older mind you) but I want Afflecks Batman to be fully active in his career and for people to know he is out there. Also lets have a less heavy handed Alfred. Alfred walking out on Bruce in DKR disgusted me and it was all so we could have some f*ckin mealy mouth happy ending in Italy someplace. I still FF through that part when he walks. Bring it Jeremy Irons....I know your dry wit will deliver here.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 12:04:31 GMT -5
LOL....fair point well made. as a fan of Affleck's casting I want him to be a Batman at the height of his abilities.....NOT shaken out of retirement by the arrival of Superman which is what this is starting to sound like. Well, to an extent he IS shaken out of semi-retirement by Superman arriving. He's an alien. Anyone would... But he's also still a beast. It's the point in his career where, I think, he's made a marked improvement on the city. If he goes out every night it's not to stop super-villains...it's to stop purse snatchers -- that's semi-retirement for Batman, to me, you know what I'm saying? Sorry man....Batman's work is NEVER done. Gotham is a toilet. Its a warzone......Batman's war is never finished.
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Post by Robert69 on May 25, 2014 12:09:58 GMT -5
Well, to an extent he IS shaken out of semi-retirement by Superman arriving. He's an alien. Anyone would... But he's also still a beast. It's the point in his career where, I think, he's made a marked improvement on the city. If he goes out every night it's not to stop super-villains...it's to stop purse snatchers -- that's semi-retirement for Batman, to me, you know what I'm saying? Sorry man....Batman's work is NEVER done. Gotham is a toilet. Its a warzone......Batman's war is never finished. Oh, I don't disagree. I simply mean it gets to a point, like in the cartoons/comics etc...where he's not fighting super-villains constantly. He has to deal with new ones as they show up; or escape Arkham. Never breaks in the criminal activity -- just the super-villain activity, if that makes more sense.
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