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Post by kal on May 20, 2014 13:32:31 GMT -5
I've only been collecting Jakks figures for a few months, mostly concentrating on RA/DA figures. I was reading the BCA appreciation thread and everyone's love for the line was so infectious that I ended up buying a few of my favorite wrestlers in that format, too. They're cool for what they are and I'm always on the look out for some more, now. It seems, though, that all I ever come across on this board is a lot of hate for the TTL series. Now, I don't have a dog in this race, but I'm curious as to what's so bad about the line. I remember seeing pictures in some of the old toy mags when they were the newest series and, to me, they seemed a step up from the BCA's. Even now, I think they look a little more dynamic than the RA figures I have, although they do look a little monkey-armed. Were they not popular at the time or is it that most people were so attached to their BCA's that they didn't want to start a new line?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 13:55:07 GMT -5
i grew up with bca and ttl figs. compared to today's elites, the articulation on ttl figs are horrible. the first few lines (before real scan) had some of the worst head sculpts ever. jakks would also people over by sculpting the arms of jackets on figures (like edge and taker) instead of making them removable. with that being said, some of the ttl figures were amazing like Rikishi who even had cellulite on his ass cheeks. there were also some people who were never made while we had an abundance of stone cold, rick and undertaker figures. way more than the john cena figures of today. also to answer your question, TTL figs were very popular and took over bca in no time. especially when they started doing the real scan heads. these figures were super innovative for wrestling figures back then and they were very popular at the time. towards the end of their lifespan i think people were ready for something new. i had a few RA figures before i stopped collecting but i didn't really think they were all that much better than the ttl figures besides the extra arm articulation. i remember a lot of people on here would get pissed when jakks would use leftover ttl parts and put out ttl figures in random lineups (classic superstars 1 undertaker) when we all wanted RA figs at that point.
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Post by ellisd on May 21, 2014 0:01:04 GMT -5
I hated the TTL figures when they first came out. Granted I was a huge BCA fan and I'm sure that played into my opinion. Although the TTL feature on the figures was cool it wasn't enough to make up for the problems they had. I wasn't a fan of the articulation. Although TTL had more articulation than BCA figures, I found that their playability just wasnt as good. I don't think I ever had a TTL figure whose legs moved properly at the hip joint allowing a sitting position. Also some of their arms kinda stuck out awkwardly to the sides.
The face sculpts on the early TTLs were really bad too. It wasn't until the real scan heads that I started to collect TTLs.
Although as he pointed out in the post above me, there are some really good looking TTLs. The Rikishi still holds up well today.
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Post by CodebreakerDX on May 21, 2014 3:36:55 GMT -5
I don't understand the TTL hate either, i love them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 7:23:01 GMT -5
I loved TTLs, they remind me of a much better time in my life...although I reserve this for when the RealScan stuff came out, and series 4 onwards; Rulers Of The Ring and Double Slam...good times...
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Post by poindizzle on May 21, 2014 9:02:38 GMT -5
I largely loved them. Some early pre-scan figures were awful, and some of the body molds were ludicrous like this one brood Christian (don't remember the wave, he has perlescent white tights with the brood stuff and a signature on it) with a positively shredded chest. It looks gross. However, other body molds were pretty decent. The asymmetrical stance didn't help the arms look any shorter though.
Some people probably hate the fact that the figures were largely in street gear. It was in fact pretty hard to find guys like Stone in ring gear. Also, many guys like Triple H got so many releases it makes Mattel look restrained with it's number of Cena releases.
I personally liked the street gear figures, that was a great part of attitude. The storylines were great and the soap opera and backstage brawling were my favorite part of every episode. I miss seeing more backstage stuff every week. You had playsets with these figures that emphasized street fighting, dirty fighting, and of course, trash talking, although my language was definitely saltier when I played. I was about 12 or so when these first came out. It was a good time for action figures that weren't traditional super heroes. I remember seeing crappy x-men and spider-man figures and thinking I'd rather have these guys. It was a very crazy transitional period in my life and these figures make me happy when I think back about those days.
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Post by kal on May 21, 2014 9:57:56 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone for the responses; it's nice to see some fans of the TTL lines. From what I've seen in pictures, I'll agree that the early non-scanned heads were bad but I do see some, I don't know, charm(?) in them. It's sort of neat to see an interpretation of guys like Undertaker or SCSA, it makes them seem larger than life. I decided I'd order a few figs and form my own opinion and their appears to be no market for them at all. I grabbed SCSA (in jorts w/ pads & braces), Cactus Jack, The Rock (in ring gear, missing one knee pad but I have tons of spares), Kane, & HHH (in ring gear, w/ taped up leg). Whats crazy to me is that each figure was under or around $4, although I paid a little more for Kane as it was in his original costume w/ reversed colors and he had elbow articulation.
I'll see what I think when they get here, but they may prove a cheaper alternative to acquiring wrestlers from the Attitude era. From pictures, I like the styling of the line and the prices can't be beat. I know I certainly didn't pay $4 for a Cactus Jack RA figure. lol
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 21, 2014 16:02:21 GMT -5
Love them, all the attires made are great so there is a lot to choose from for 1 definitive figure for each wrestler. I initially HATED the transition from BCA, but they grew on me big time. I prefer them over any other forms. Ruthless were great for articulation, but it killed it for me cos doing powerbombs/hurricanranas sucks. TTL's have no such problem. All this talk makes me want to buy a boat load of them moc, then open them for that new toy smell and play with them endlessly. What a kid I am My favorites I still own are my complete Unchained Fury series 1 figs. Pure class.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 1:56:18 GMT -5
TTL Raven is one of my favorite figures ever. And beyond the first four series, TTL was pretty cool
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 3:04:38 GMT -5
TTL's are great. ..or an example: try to execute a Piledriver with a Mattel Basic oder RA-figure. I'm still searching for TTL's over RA.. at least on guys who had both.
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Post by ricflair4ever on May 22, 2014 3:21:07 GMT -5
No hate on my end. There were/are plenty TTL figures that are still among my favorite figures released. A few examples of these are the Unchained fury Ric Flair vs Vince McMahon pack, Royal Rumble Ric Flair, several RVD and Chris Benoit releases, Kurt Angle, ABA Undertaker, the Dudley Boyz, Raven, Perry Saturn, Hardcore, Crash,and Molly Holly,the first TTL Hurricane among others too numerous to mention. Indeed i intend to rebuild my TTL collection over time
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 4:37:56 GMT -5
I hated that the arms didn't have elbow articulation early on because I was spoiled by my WCW figures.
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Post by kal on May 22, 2014 8:02:57 GMT -5
I hated that the arms didn't have elbow articulation early on because I was spoiled by my WCW figures. The lack of elbow articulation on the early figures is a shame. I think the Mankind figure is one of the best looking Mankind's out there, but the arms kill it for me. Speaking of WCW figures, are they compatible with TTL?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 22, 2014 8:45:20 GMT -5
I still enjoy TTL figures and have a lot of admiration for them. Sure, certain things about them like the articulation and scale aren't up to snuff with the figures of today, but TTLs were so innovative. The realscan technology was introduced by the TTL line, and that was probably the biggest innovation we've ever had in wrestling figures. Plus, that time period was one of the best times to be a fan, at least for me. Wrestling was so fun and my friends were still into it, and I still enjoyed it relatively purely back then rather than enjoying it but doing that thing we all do nowadays where we complain that Vince McMahon doesn't know how to book wrestling as well as we do. A major plus point for me was the street/promo outfits on guys. Wrestling was full of that stuff back then, and people were always wearing different outfits for promos and getting new t-shirts and the TTL line really captured that. If Stone Cold went through fifteen t-shirts a year on TV, you could get most of them in TTL form. I remember when Mattel started, I was always wanting them to produce street/promo gear versions of figures, but then I thought... Wrestling doesn't really even have that anymore. Daniel Bryan's been positioned as the top babyface on Raw for the last nine months or so, and I think he's worn jeans about twice in that time. He's always in his wrestling trunks. Randy Orton's worn a suit a couple of times since the Evolution reunion, but for his whole "face of the WWE" top heel run before that, he was always in his trunks too. In 1999-2000, it seemed like every episode you'd have Rock/Austin/HHH in a tracksuit or shirt and pants etc. There are certain TTLs that I still want to keep as part of my collection, and they're usually stuff like guys in certain t-shirts that we're never going to get in any other form. The awesome boxsets that used to come out back then were the best, too. BCA was great for that also, but TTL took it to another level. Huge ten-packs, sets with rings and entrance stages and accessories... Good times. I've still got the Edge & Christian "picture perfect" set. jakks would also people over by sculpting the arms of jackets on figures (like edge and taker) instead of making them removable. That's a massive plus point for the Jakks figures for me, and I wish Mattel would do it now and again. It works tons better than the oversized, bad-looking cloth coats that both companies use... And it's more playable/posable than the good-looking plastic coats that Mattel use.
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Post by Rattlehead on May 22, 2014 9:55:14 GMT -5
Love TTL figures. Still have a box full . Over 100 of those. I thought it was awesome that they came with stages and arenas they could interact with. To me ttl figures were the best at its time.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 10:24:38 GMT -5
I hated that the arms didn't have elbow articulation early on because I was spoiled by my WCW figures. The lack of elbow articulation on the early figures is a shame. Â I think the Mankind figure is one of the best looking Mankind's out there, but the arms kill it for me. Â Speaking of WCW figures, are they compatible with TTL? Eh, not really. Different articulation and the TTLs are a bit bigger.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 10:28:44 GMT -5
I loved the TTL figures once they started the real scan heads.
The first couple series were awful though.
I prefer TTL over RA style.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 22, 2014 15:46:38 GMT -5
Some TTL figures were okay. I had Jeff and Matt Hardy TTL figures, and I liked them. They even fit in well with the RA style of figures, cause they could move pretty well for TTL figures.
But the first few sets of TTL figures made me stop collecting wrestling figures. I was a BCA guy, so when they went to TTL, I just felt so lost that I had no more figures to collect.
I think I got into TTL figures in late 2001, I bought a few. But then I stopped until late 2003 when I got back into collecting when I seen the RA style of figures. To me, they were much better than the TTL ones.
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Post by bad guy™ on May 26, 2014 2:06:15 GMT -5
Some TTL figures were okay. I had Jeff and Matt Hardy TTL figures, and I liked them. They even fit in well with the RA style of figures, cause they could move pretty well for TTL figures. But the first few sets of TTL figures made me stop collecting wrestling figures. I was a BCA guy, so when they went to TTL, I just felt so lost that I had no more figures to collect. I think I got into TTL figures in late 2001, I bought a few. But then I stopped until late 2003 when I got back into collecting when I seen the RA style of figures. To me, they were much better than the TTL ones. That was how I felt when Jakks started making more Deluxe than anything and then making their TNA line Deluxe. I was heartbroken because I would likely still collect if the stuff were Ruthless style. I never had any TTLs outside if the Mick Foley that came with the "Just Bring It" Rock, but I never had any issues with the ones my buddy had. Maybe the lack or real mobility with the joints...but then again mobility wise TTL had the step in BCA so...I could not tell you. I liked them though.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on May 26, 2014 12:47:17 GMT -5
Theres nothing bad about TTLs...besides the pre-real scan ones. The first several series were godawful, with the worst possibly culminating with a Shamrock in a t shirt and jean shorts. All of the early heads looked like they were chiseled out of rock, and none of them had elbow articulation. They were terrible. They were supposed to be an improvement on BCAs, but BCAs were WAAAAAAAAY better in likeness and playability. On the other hand, starting with...I think series 4... they started getting awesome. Series 4 (?) Big Show with the table and Cactus were two of my favorite figs back then. Those still didn't have elbow articulation, but they at least LOOKED like who they were supposed to look like. Once the elbow articulation began I had no issue with most TTLs. Some of my favorite figures are those TTLs: The aforementioned Big Show (still my favorite Big Show figure ever), Hogan from the Razor's Edge pack, Series 5 Ministry Taker (re-released as CS3), the first ABA Taker with the ponytail and bandanna, the Kurt Angle in the white singlet, one of the Jeff Hardys, the list goes on. Unfortunately they tended to have a defect in the leg where the lower leg sometimes jutted out a bit, the scaling overall was among the worst in Jakks run (and this is before Mysterio was even with the company), and after RAs they tended to look obsolete; particularly when Jakks was lazy and either used TTL parts on RA figs or included TTL figures in RA lines. Obviously they also went out with a whimper (much like RAs did) when Jakks really started putting out garbage (such as those TRU 4 packs absent of any design or detail and that Edge in the black underwear and silver boots). Aside from Jakks being super lazy, when TTLs were on they were great.
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