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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 3, 2014 23:48:34 GMT -5
After browsing the records of the interwebs, I came across this gem in the FAQ of WrestlingClassics Message Boards. This board was actually frequented by Lou Thesz & Jack Brisco in their golden years.
Here's the excerpt:
1993 - After a legal dispute between the National Wrestling Alliance and member promotion World Championship Wrestling ends in a Charlotte, North Carolina, USA courtroom (with the NWA prevailing over WCW), "Nature Boy" Ric Flair (Richard Morgan Fliehr) is stripped of the NWA World title. However, WCW keeps the physical belt which had represented the NWA World title since 1986 and uses it to launch a new brand new title, totally unrelated to the NWA World title, called the WCWI World heavyweight championship.
September 19, 1993 - Ravishing Rick Rude (Richard Rood) pins "Nature Boy" Ric Flair (Richard Morgan Fliehr) in Houston, Texas, USA in a match originally scheduled as being for Flair's NWA World heavyweight championship. However, the NWA refuses to sanction this match after a legal dispute with the bout's promoter, World Championship Wrestling (at the time an NWA member). The matter is resolved in a Charlotte, North Carolina, USA courtroom prior to the match with the NWA prevailing over WCW. The NWA then strips Flair of its World title and WCW, after dropping out of the NWA, creates a new title out of thin air, billing it as "the World heavyweight championship as recognized by WCW International." The match is televised on a Turner Home Entertainment PPV and is presented by World Championship Wrestling.
March 16, 1994 - Hiroshi Hase pins Ravishing Rick Rude (Richard Rood) at the Egg Dome in Tokyo, Japan to win the WCWI World title. The match is presented by New Japan Pro Wrestling.
March 24, 1994 - Ravishing Rick Rude (Richard Rood) pins Hiroshi Hase in Kyoto, Japan to capture the WCWI World title for the second time. The match is presented by New Japan Pro Wrestling.
As for Curt Hennig, it's simple.
Curt Hennig had a legitimate reign as AWA Heavyweight Champion. We recognize ECW, & Ring of honor world championship tenures, but we don't recognize the third largest promotion in American history?
I say "Nonsense!"
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 3, 2014 23:51:46 GMT -5
What about Hennig?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 4, 2014 0:01:41 GMT -5
Fixed it. His seems to be a matter of ignorance on the fans' part, more than anything. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 4, 2014 5:30:36 GMT -5
yeah,Henning always was a recognized World Champion.
in the 1980's, there were 3 recognized World Championships - NWA, WWF, and AWA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 5:43:24 GMT -5
Who ever said Hennig was never a world champ?
BLASPHEMY!
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 4, 2014 5:52:29 GMT -5
the rude one is a little different,though. yeah he wore the NWA World Championship Belt,but was never officially recognized by the NWA as it's World Champion,nor by WCW as IT'S true World Champion, as the WCW World Championship was the highest Title in the company. not to mention by that point the NWA had lost considerable influence at that point and their Championship generally wasn't considered a true "World Championship" at that point,in comparison to the WWF and WCW ones. so Rick Rude carried around a Belt that was a World Championship Belt,was billed as a "World Champion", but really wasn't! LOL!
it's actually comparable to the situation in WWE the last few years, where there was a World Championship Belt (and the same design,no less!), and the holder of it was billed as a "World Champion" , but wasn't the biggest Championship in the company,much less the sport, as the WWE Championship was placed higher and had higher value in the business and the company.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jun 4, 2014 5:55:25 GMT -5
Rude was the first WCWA World Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 4, 2014 7:13:58 GMT -5
yeah,Henning always was a recognized World Champion. in the 1980's, there were 3 recognized World Championships - NWA, WWF, and AWA. I am well aware of this, & you're well aware of this, but too often fans speak of Hennig & are unaware of this. |
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Post by Funk The Revival on Jun 4, 2014 10:06:15 GMT -5
I've always seen Hennig as a world champ but would have loved to see him WWF Champion. Maybe if he didn't have that back injury he would have been.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 10:39:58 GMT -5
TBH I don't think the ECW title is held in the same regard as the WWE and WCW ones.
Rude was kinda a world champ, he held the most prestigious WCW title.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 4, 2014 11:37:47 GMT -5
TBH I don't think the ECW title is held in the same regard as the WWE and WCW ones. Rude was kinda a world champ, he held the most prestigious WCW title. except it wasn't really - the BELT was prestigious,but it was the WCW International World Championship. like the article says,it was a Title literally created out of thin air to deal with WCW having physical possession of the Belt in addition to their own World Heavyweight Championship. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 4, 2014 11:50:13 GMT -5
and tons of promotions featured a "World Heavyweight Championship" - USWA, I-Generation, XPW, Ring of Honor, 3PW, ECW, CZW,AWA, etc. it was just something they seemed to do to make their top title seem important.but the general consensus was that only the World Championships recognized by the Pro Wrestling Illustrated family of publications, when they had considerable influence and prestige from the 70's to the 90's, are the generally recognized "true" World Championships. and those wew the WWF,NWA,AWA,WCW,and ECW Championships. hell,look at this guy! Tommy Suede, he wrestles in a local independent outfit around my area, PPW. and not only does he walk around with a modified Winged Eagle World Championship belt, but the promotion recognizes him as the "PPW WORLD Heavyweight Champion" : pennsylvaniapw.weebly.com/smooth-tommy-suede.htmlbut does anyone REALLY think of this title as a World Championship? |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 4, 2014 19:28:41 GMT -5
and tons of promotions featured a "World Heavyweight Championship" - USWA, I-Generation, XPW, Ring of Honor, 3PW, ECW, CZW,AWA, etc. it was just something they seemed to do to make their top title seem important.but the general consensus was that only the World Championships recognized by the Pro Wrestling Illustrated family of publications, when they had considerable influence and prestige from the 70's to the 90's, are the generally recognized "true" World Championships. and those wew the WWF,NWA,AWA,WCW,and ECW Championships. hell,look at this guy! Tommy Suede, he wrestles in a local independent outfit around my area, PPW. and not only does he walk around with a modified Winged Eagle World Championship belt, but the promotion recognizes him as the "PPW WORLD Heavyweight Champion" : pennsylvaniapw.weebly.com/smooth-tommy-suede.htmlbut does anyone REALLY think of this title as a World Championship? I understand your point exactly. That's why I wrote "Sort of" in the thread title. It's still an interesting piece of information. |
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Post by k5 on Jun 4, 2014 20:37:26 GMT -5
that rick rude back injury was at the worst of times. not to dissuade us from discussing either men's careers, but i always thought the suggestion was more that they should've been wwf world champions.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 4, 2014 20:42:59 GMT -5
Rude deserved an actual WCW Title reign. I really didnt/couldnt see him fitting into the WWF Title picture as in that time period, it would seem "unrealistic" for him to unseat either Hogan or Warrior. I tend to count the WCW International Title as a "world championship" but it really isnt. Its really no different then the IC or US Title really, just used a previous world title belt.
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Post by Joejitsu22 on Jun 4, 2014 21:26:10 GMT -5
I always took the statements as never a world champ in wwf/e. As in they should have had runs there with top tiltle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 4:37:57 GMT -5
I will always recognise anybody that held the AWA title as a legit former World Title holder.
Larry Zybsko
Curt Hennig
Rick Martel
Jerry Lawler
To name a few.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 10:37:49 GMT -5
I don't understand the need for this thread.
Henning was AWA Champ.
Rude was WCW International World Champion. As was Barry Windham.
Both titles were recognized World Championships.
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Post by Chief on Jun 5, 2014 22:39:51 GMT -5
I think more often than not people mean WWF Champion when they say he was never a World Champ.
Or they don't care about the AWA.
Either could be true.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 6, 2014 14:49:14 GMT -5
I don't understand the need for this thread. Henning was AWA Champ. Rude was WCW International World Champion. As was Barry Windham. Both titles were recognized World Championships. Actually, Windham was never technically WCW International World Champion, rather the last NWA World Champion under the WCW banner. |
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