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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 14:57:36 GMT -5
I get some of your gripes with the production or the marketing but some of the in ring comments you HAVE to look past.
"Oh when person A doesn't try to struggle free from person B's finisher, if they were really fighting person A wouldn't just let person B do a move on them."
If they were really fighting 95-99% of what you see in the ring wouldn't exist so there has to be SOME, not a lot, suspension of belief.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jun 22, 2014 15:34:35 GMT -5
The whole thing where the wrestlers take the monitors off the announce table, What, CM Punk and USA chants.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 15:48:22 GMT -5
The repetitiveness of John Cena matches.
The fact the WWE is terrified to hardly ever let John Cena lose cleanly.
Everything Sheamus does.
Adam Rose acting like a homosexual.
Bo Dallas' face.
The lack of Diva butt cheeck visibility.
Flying headbutts.
Kofi Kingston's royal rumble save spots. Well..the last three.
Flashback: Right to Censor
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Post by rustyy on Jun 22, 2014 16:03:41 GMT -5
People being pushed to the top based on ring work alone Oh and when the call the wrestlers sports entertainers. I watched the Bret/Shawn documentary thing and they asked them when did you decide you guys wanted to become "sports entertainers".
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 16:27:33 GMT -5
"Sports Entertainment". It's called wrestling, get it right. It's been called sports entertainment since before most members of this forum were born. And it was Professional Wrestling for literally 100 years(Appearing in print as early as 1874-6) before 1980. We still detest it. It's a term we are forced to tolerate simply put. Granted, it has helped the craft become more successful, but that says more about general society than it does about Professional Wrestling. Besides, only one company in the "sport"(lol) uses that term. The most successful one, but my point is sound.
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Post by Focalin on Jun 22, 2014 16:28:28 GMT -5
It really bugs me when people run the corners. Daniel Bryan is guilty of this. He fires up and runs and bounces into the corner, then runs back as if it were the ropes..It makes no sense..if he's irished whipped into it, it hurts..but running at his own will, it gives him momentum....That aside, there is NO bounce in it..so it's 100% forced.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 16:33:14 GMT -5
People being pushed to the top based on ring work alone. So the best wrestlers aren't supposed to be showcased in high profile shows? The best performers aren't meant to headline cards full of inferior performers? Queen was supposed to open for the chick who sung "Oh Mickie You're So Fine"?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 16:34:01 GMT -5
It really bugs me when people run the corners. Daniel Bryan is guilty of this. He fires up and runs and bounces into the corner, then runs back as if it were the ropes..It makes no sense..if he's irished whipped into it, it hurts..but running at his own will, it gives him momentum....That aside, there is NO bounce in it..so it's 100% forced. THIS!
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 22, 2014 16:34:58 GMT -5
The repetitiveness of John Cena matches. The fact the WWE is terrified to hardly ever let John Cena lose cleanly. Everything Sheamus does. Adam Rose acting like a homosexual. Bo Dallas' face. The lack of Diva butt cheeck visibility. Flying headbutts. Kofi Kingston's royal rumble save spots. Well..the last three. Flashback: Right to Censor Adam Rose acts like a homosexual?
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Post by Yayo on Jun 22, 2014 16:45:28 GMT -5
Cena being portrayed as the underdog who gets beaten down for 15-20 minutes with little to no offense despite the fact that the commentators are constantly pushing "OMGZ CENA IZ SO STRAWNG!" How can a guy who constantly beats everyone he steps in the ring with that throws around 500 pounders with the slightest of ease still play a ing underdog?
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Post by rustyy on Jun 22, 2014 16:45:55 GMT -5
People being pushed to the top based on ring work alone. So the best wrestlers aren't supposed to be showcased in high profile shows? The best performers aren't meant to headline cards full of inferior performers? Queen was supposed to open for the chick who sung "Oh Mickie You're So Fine"? No because if they can't cut a promo or build a story to the match then it's worthless.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 22, 2014 16:50:57 GMT -5
So the best wrestlers aren't supposed to be showcased in high profile shows? The best performers aren't meant to headline cards full of inferior performers? Queen was supposed to open for the chick who sung "Oh Mickie You're So Fine"? No because if they can't cut a promo or build a story to the match then it's worthless. I honestly can't think of someone who was pushed heavily without the ability to cut a promo. I've seen them pushed in the midcard like John Morrison and Curtis Axel, but I can't remember a legit main eventer who couldn't cut a promo.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 16:53:47 GMT -5
So the best wrestlers aren't supposed to be showcased in high profile shows? The best performers aren't meant to headline cards full of inferior performers? Queen was supposed to open for the chick who sung "Oh Mickie You're So Fine"? No because if they can't cut a promo or build a story to the match then it's worthless. There's no such thing as a truly great in-ring talent that can't create meaning in a match out of thin-air. Bret Hart & Billy Robinson are proof of this. The true greats of this craft can make you interested without a word spoken, or suck you right in before they lift a finger, so the spectrum goes both ways. You present a valid point though. However, if the talent in question is skilled in adapting to the style of their opponent, then they can add to the match's story by in-ring work alone. To be pedantic, ring work includes fan interaction skills such as infuriating fans or drawing their sympathy.
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Post by Jamie on Jun 22, 2014 16:57:16 GMT -5
Most of mine have been mentioned, but I have a minor pet peeve with the way Paul Heyman pronounces names with the letter s in them. Ce-sar-o, Les-nar...
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 16:59:02 GMT -5
Most of mine have been mentioned, but I have a minor pet peeve with the way Paul Heyman pronounces names with the letter s in them. Ce-sar-o, Les-nar... Blasphemer!!! Oh I'm sorry.... Ahem... Ba LAS!!!! ffffffPHE! MER!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 17:14:40 GMT -5
Some of you guys are truly miserable. You want them to leave to tvs in the table when they get slammed through them? Do you have any idea how much more dangerous that would make the spot for both wrestlers? Just shows you that you really don't care for them, this sport or their safety at all. I tried very hard to not post in this thread, but I couldn't let that slide.
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Post by rustyy on Jun 22, 2014 17:16:02 GMT -5
No because if they can't cut a promo or build a story to the match then it's worthless. I honestly can't think of someone who was pushed heavily without the ability to cut a promo. I've seen them pushed in the midcard like John Morrison and Curtis Axel, but I can't remember a legit main eventer who couldn't cut a promo. Yeah, most don't make it to the top but some that do would be Daniel Bryan, randy orton (except lk days). No because if they can't cut a promo or build a story to the match then it's worthless. There's no such thing as a truly great in-ring talent that can't create meaning in a match out of thin-air. Bret Hart & Billy Robinson are proof of this. The true greats of this craft can make you interested without a word spoken, or suck you right in before they lift a finger, so the spectrum goes both ways. You present a valid point though. However, if the talent in question is skilled in adapting to the style of their opponent, then they can add to the match's story by in-ring work alone. To be pedantic, ring work includes fan interaction skills such as infuriating fans or drawing their sympathy. They may draw you in but it's so boring to me, because it's not a sport, without the story it's just a match with no meaning. That's why I hate tournaments, beat the clocks and everything of the sort where it's just guy a vs guy b. And sabu was the only person who couldn't talk that could draw me in, but he had a mouth piece always.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jun 22, 2014 17:18:14 GMT -5
Some of you guys are truly miserable. You want them to leave to tvs in the table when they get slammed through them? Do you have any idea how much more dangerous that would make the spot for both wrestlers? Just shows you that you really don't care for them, this sport or their safety at all. I tried very hard to not post in this thread, but I couldn't let that slide. I mean the wrestlers taking them off, the announcers should be clearing the table. Wrestlers doing it looks like they're not trying to hurt the other guy.
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Post by Yayo on Jun 22, 2014 17:19:55 GMT -5
Some of you guys are truly miserable. You want them to leave to tvs in the table when they get slammed through them? Do you have any idea how much more dangerous that would make the spot for both wrestlers? Just shows you that you really don't care for them, this sport or their safety at all. I tried very hard to not post in this thread, but I couldn't let that slide. Pretty sure the poster said get rid the terribly outdated TV's and just use iPads. People get way too offended here sometimes
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 18:16:38 GMT -5
I honestly can't think of someone who was pushed heavily without the ability to cut a promo. I've seen them pushed in the midcard like John Morrison and Curtis Axel, but I can't remember a legit main eventer who couldn't cut a promo. Yeah, most don't make it to the top but some that do would be Daniel Bryan, randy orton (except lk days). There's no such thing as a truly great in-ring talent that can't create meaning in a match out of thin-air. Bret Hart & Billy Robinson are proof of this. The true greats of this craft can make you interested without a word spoken, or suck you right in before they lift a finger, so the spectrum goes both ways. You present a valid point though. However, if the talent in question is skilled in adapting to the style of their opponent, then they can add to the match's story by in-ring work alone. To be pedantic, ring work includes fan interaction skills such as infuriating fans or drawing their sympathy. They may draw you in but it's so boring to me, because it's not a sport, without the story it's just a match with no meaning. That's why I hate tournaments, beat the clocks and everything of the sort where it's just guy a vs guy b. And sabu was the only person who couldn't talk that could draw me in, but he had a mouth piece always. Then you don't truly love Professional Wrestling. Secondly, it's a theatrical portrayal of a sport. Just like every game in MLB, the NBA & NFL, every professional car/BMX race, or Soccer/Tennis match, every wrestling match means something. The level of that meaning is extremely subjective, but you don't truly know where some matches may lead.
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