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Post by HVMMONS on Jun 23, 2014 0:28:26 GMT -5
I hate when current wrestlers use past wrestlers' finishers as a regular move that never gets a 3 count. ie. Dolph doing the fameasser. The DDT has obviously been toned down over the years. Jake the Snake won many a match with it but it can be found in almost every single match from the attitude era to today. I hate when they say WW Universe. Where's the E? I hate commercial breaks in the middle of matches. But it kind of gives an old school feel. I hate jobber entrances. They show a promo or come back from a commercial break and someone is already in the ring. I hate when they take off the monitors before going thru the announce table. As if "hey man, I really wanna put you threw this table but I'd hate for you to get hurt on these tv screens from the 70's." It's 2014 and Cole is sitting there with an ipad. Get these guys some flat screens. And to make it look more realistic, have the announcers grab them off before a table spot. Like when JBL grabs his hat of King grabs his crown. I hate Daniel Bryan's awful drop kicks I hate CM Punk's Macho Man elbow drop I hate Lawler's generic Affliction shirts I hate when wrestlers wear t-shirts and no pants I hate when wrestlers wear street clothes for a hardcore match, yet do a lot of the same moves they do in regular matches while wearing tights Is there a video link to this? I've never heard it referred to as that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 11:10:26 GMT -5
At the risk of just being a broken record, I'll just list the 3 big ones I have.
-The "ref doesn't see the faces tag, so he doesn't allow it" thing. From a storytelling perspective, it makes sense. You want to create that drama and build to the eventual hot tag. But it makes little sense that the ref won't allow the switch because he didn't see it when it's the good guys, the ones you can trust. But the nefarious heels switch off behind your back and as long as they say the did it, you take their word for it.
-Wrestlers not wearing wrestling gear. This is a big one for me, now, obviously it's not that big of a deal in WWE, TNA or really any of the more notable feds, but sometimes it happens. It's mostly an indy thing, but it irks me. Don't wear sweat pants and a tank top to the ring. The only time you can wear street clothes to the ring is if you make it your gimmick, like Cena, Raven, Bray, etc, etc. And even they have a semblance of wrestling attire with knee pads, boots, just something that doesn't make them look like they just came from their shift at the local diner. But if you're trying to be taken seriously, either find a gimmick that can allow you to pull off that style of attire or get wrestling gear.
-The more prominent indy style of wrestling, where it's style over substance. I'm not denying that there aren't great matches in say ROH or PWG, but it always seems like these matches are less about trying to tell a story or get over the characters in the ring, and more so about cramming as many moves and spots into say 15 minutes, so they can get some internet praise. It's not a bad thing to try and have a good match, every wrestler should strive to have good matches, but they often sacrifice any sort of psychology or character en route to having these matches. I often feel like there is very little to get behind when I'm just seeing a card of say 8-10 matches, if not more, where from the opener to the main event, it's just guys trying to outdo each other. It'd be like if in a movie, we just started off with a 20 minute action scene and just tried to throw out everything to hook the viewer in immediately. Leaving us with nowhere to go but up, with little to no pacing or storytelling.
Oh, two more big ones.
-Having the same match on WWE TV over and over again, with no different outcome. Listen, I'm all for having a series of matches between people, even if it's nothing but a time waster or to get someone over while they're in another feud. But I really hate when WWE will do say Sin Cara vs Del Rio on RAW, Main Event, the next week on Smackdown, then on RAW again, and Del Rio wins every freaking time. Would it kill you to change it up at least once? What's the point of running these matches time and time again, when the outcome will always be the same? They did it recently with Rollins/Ziggler, which, don't get me wrong, is an awesome match on paper, but why does Seth agree to wrestle the same guy 3 times when he's already beaten him twice? I mean, either have a series of matches between guys doing nothing, and at least change up the outcome a few times or throw in a stipulation, or if the guy is in a feud, give the other guy a cheap win. Which brings me to
-Recent trend in WWE it seems, probably exists elsewhere too, but I see it mostly on WWE TV. When you have two guys feuding and one is in a match, the other one comes out to distract him ,instead of giving the opponent for that night a cheap/surprise win, they always seem to be able to fend off their opponent and look strong. For example, Rose had a match, I think against Sandow not too long ago. Swagger and Zeb came out to distract him, now instead of having him get rolled up and beaten cheaply, they had him still come out on top. I know it doesn't happen all that often, but it feels like they're afraid to let someone get beat in that fashion. It won't make the guy look weak by losing that way, it really doesn't help the other guy in a huge way by beating someone by surprise, and it helps add, albeit generic heat to the feud. It's okay once in awhile to buck the trend, like Ambrose not being distracted by Rollins in his match against Kane this past week if I recall correctly, but like, it seems to happen a lot. So it was a breath of fresh air when Rollins distracted Ambrose and actually cost him the match.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jun 23, 2014 11:45:35 GMT -5
I hate when current wrestlers use past wrestlers' finishers as a regular move that never gets a 3 count. ie. Dolph doing the fameasser. The DDT has obviously been toned down over the years. Jake the Snake won many a match with it but it can be found in almost every single match from the attitude era to today. I hate when they say WW Universe. Where's the E? I hate commercial breaks in the middle of matches. But it kind of gives an old school feel. I hate jobber entrances. They show a promo or come back from a commercial break and someone is already in the ring. I hate when they take off the monitors before going thru the announce table. As if "hey man, I really wanna put you threw this table but I'd hate for you to get hurt on these tv screens from the 70's." It's 2014 and Cole is sitting there with an ipad. Get these guys some flat screens. And to make it look more realistic, have the announcers grab them off before a table spot. Like when JBL grabs his hat of King grabs his crown. I hate Daniel Bryan's awful drop kicks I hate CM Punk's Macho Man elbow drop I hate Lawler's generic Affliction shirts I hate when wrestlers wear t-shirts and no pants I hate when wrestlers wear street clothes for a hardcore match, yet do a lot of the same moves they do in regular matches while wearing tights Is there a video link to this? I've never heard it referred to as that. No video. It's mispoken always. Cole always says ww universe. No E. Listen closely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 12:17:39 GMT -5
Is there a video link to this? I've never heard it referred to as that. No video. It's mispoken always. Cole always says ww universe. No E. Listen closely. I've also heard this
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Post by Halloween King on Jun 26, 2014 14:45:06 GMT -5
So many.
I'll start with some from the Royal Rumble.
• When a new guy goes in he has to punch everyone who's already in there.
• Final 4 Stare downs.
• Skinning the cat.
• Every time the rumble isnt the last match of a ppv.
-End Rumble pet peeves-
• How Tag team guys job so easily to singles wrestlers in Survivor series ppvs
• Any kind of Guest to wwe who is put over at the expense of actual wrestlers
• about 80% of the current wwe roster.
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Post by *LS_58* on Jun 26, 2014 20:42:11 GMT -5
Bo Dallas' look. I like his character don't get me wrong but i hate how his hair is down to the middle of his back, and just his face pisses me off. I still like him tho..
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Post by Yayo on Jun 26, 2014 20:59:24 GMT -5
Bo Dallas' look. I like his character don't get me wrong but i hate how his hair is down to the middle of his back, and just his face pisses me off. I still like him tho.. Bo is the type of guy who is so ugly he's hard to look at. That combined with his Jacko-esque voice actually add to the creep factor and overbearing nature of his gimmick. So I mean, it helps him, but yeah, I hate his face too. I love that he's had a black eye for the last two weeks, proving that he has the most punchable face on the roster
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 26, 2014 21:03:48 GMT -5
No video. It's mispoken always. Cole always says ww universe. No E. Listen closely. I've also heard this They act like its the only world wrestling. Thus we are the "world wrestling universe" where Cole says things like "what indy leagues? This is the WWE" to striker during a punk bryan match. Man he really grinds my gears...guess hes doin his job... I feel like Cena and others have said it too. Botchamania brothers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 21:10:41 GMT -5
They act like its the only world wrestling. Thus we are the "world wrestling universe" where Cole says things like "what indy leagues? This is the WWE" to striker during a punk bryan match. Man he really grinds my gears...guess hes doin his job... I feel like Cena and others have said it too. Botchamania brothers I BEEN IN THE DANGER ZONE!
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Post by Sleeping Like An Angel on Jun 26, 2014 22:17:32 GMT -5
They act like its the only world wrestling. Thus we are the "world wrestling universe" where Cole says things like "what indy leagues? This is the WWE" to striker during a punk bryan match. Man he really grinds my gears...guess hes doin his job... I feel like Cena and others have said it too. Botchamania brothers I BEEN IN THE DANGER ZONE! MONGO!
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 26, 2014 22:21:07 GMT -5
I BEEN IN THE DANGER ZONE! MONGO! JEEZUS!
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jun 26, 2014 22:22:29 GMT -5
Little things to do with psychology, like one time Ziggler was forced to face The Shield 3 on 1 and he came down to the ring smiling. I hate little things like that.
I also find it annoying when someone hits their finisher and then waits 20 seconds to pin the guy, since it makes it obvious that the guy is gonna kick out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 10:15:50 GMT -5
SEND FOR THE MAN! *8-Bit version of Beat It*
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 10:20:05 GMT -5
Generic Monster heels who beat up jobbers every week it gets dry and stale really quickly.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Jun 27, 2014 11:17:21 GMT -5
I hate how quick the "powers that be" obviously change their mind about certain guys and certain things. It's so obvious too because they'll shove it down our throats for weeks then drop it like it never happened.
Also, I don't understand why some guys get brought up to the roster when they have absolutely no idea what to do with them. I already feel for The Ascension whenever they get brought up. Their first month will be nothing but destroying Los Matadores or some combination of R-Truth, Xavier Woods and Zack Ryder.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 27, 2014 11:33:34 GMT -5
Some of you guys are truly miserable. You want them to leave to tvs in the table when they get slammed through them? Do you have any idea how much more dangerous that would make the spot for both wrestlers? Just shows you that you really don't care for them, this sport or their safety at all. I tried very hard to not post in this thread, but I couldn't let that slide. I mean the wrestlers taking them off, the announcers should be clearing the table. Wrestlers doing it looks like they're not trying to hurt the other guy. I disagree for the most part. Back in the Attitude and/or Ruthless Aggression Era, those monitors were made out to be very expensive (I think about $3000 each).
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 27, 2014 11:34:11 GMT -5
I honestly can't think of someone who was pushed heavily without the ability to cut a promo. I've seen them pushed in the midcard like John Morrison and Curtis Axel, but I can't remember a legit main eventer who couldn't cut a promo. Yeah, most don't make it to the top but some that do would be Daniel Bryan, randy orton (except lk days). There's no such thing as a truly great in-ring talent that can't create meaning in a match out of thin-air. Bret Hart & Billy Robinson are proof of this. The true greats of this craft can make you interested without a word spoken, or suck you right in before they lift a finger, so the spectrum goes both ways. You present a valid point though. However, if the talent in question is skilled in adapting to the style of their opponent, then they can add to the match's story by in-ring work alone. To be pedantic, ring work includes fan interaction skills such as infuriating fans or drawing their sympathy. They may draw you in but it's so boring to me, because it's not a sport, without the story it's just a match with no meaning. That's why I hate tournaments, beat the clocks and everything of the sort where it's just guy a vs guy b. And sabu was the only person who couldn't talk that could draw me in, but he had a mouth piece always. Bryan can cut a decent promo and Orton can when he acts cocky and arrogant as opposed to the "Apex Predator".
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 27, 2014 11:48:34 GMT -5
It always bugs me when a wrestler hits a match ending move and the guy is near the ropes and they hook the inside leg just for the sole purpose of leaving their outside leg open to put on the ropes when every other time the outside leg is hooked. Not as bad, but it always bugged me that Kurt Angle would go for the standing ankle lock like 20 times in every match and it always got reversed, yet when he grapevines it no one ever got out and always tapped. Realistically, why not just grapevine the ankle lock from the start and eliminate any chance of reversal or escape?The standing version allows a lot more torque to be applied not just to the ankle, but the rest of the leg.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 13:16:05 GMT -5
- Everyone doing the spear through the ropes - "The Spear" in general - Shaking the camera to match 10 counts or to show disarray - Wrestlers wearing their own t-shirts/bringing their merch to the ring - More than 1/3 of Raw being recaps and promos - Smackdown being taped on Tuesday and offering little to get me to watch, even after I read spoilers - The watering down of main events at PPV by offering those wrestlers in matches on Raw or Smackdown a week before (IE: 6 members of the MITB ladder match in a 3v3 tag match the week prior) - Alberto Del Rio - PG...I'm not saying bring the insane Attitude era back, but at least bump it up to PG-13 - Mid-card hell, seeing too many wrestlers stuck in mid-cards or being jobbers to the stars - Not spacing Superstars out. Over-usage of some, under usage of others...spread it out better. - Survivor Series not being traditional like the first few formative years - Sheamus - The Tag Team division - Lack of Managers - Lately lack of captivating story lines - I'm a HUGEEEE D Bry fan, HUGE, but the fact that from the very end of Summer Slam 2013 to Hell in the Cell the main event was against Randy Orton and this year he was going to face Kane, what 3 times in a row? This just totally sucks and is lazy. - Paul Heyman being a great manager, but I get it about Brock beating the steak.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jun 27, 2014 19:16:29 GMT -5
Little things to do with psychology, like one time Ziggler was forced to face The Shield 3 on 1 and he came down to the ring smiling. I hate little things like that. I also find it annoying when someone hits their finisher and then waits 20 seconds to pin the guy, since it makes it obvious that the guy is gonna kick out. As much as I like Cena, he is the worst offender when it comes to that.
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