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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 16:07:44 GMT -5
It's not the width that matters, it's the girth.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jul 2, 2014 16:21:28 GMT -5
Isn't that the same thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 16:24:08 GMT -5
Isn't that the same thing? I thought girth was like the circumference. Anyway....let's get this back on track. What do you think WWF would've done with Bulldog had he stayed with Owen after Montreal?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 1:06:04 GMT -5
Isn't that the same thing? I thought girth was like the circumference. Anyway....let's get this back on track. What do you think WWF would've done with Bulldog had he stayed with Owen after Montreal? Well if what happened to Owen is any indication? I doubt it would have been much. Owen & Bulldog would have feuded with and been beaten by DX in no short order I would say.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Jul 3, 2014 1:07:58 GMT -5
What was the deal with KOTR 1999? Why was Billy Gunn wearing a tag title? And why did they wear only 1 tag title at Survivor Series 1999. So many questions... First thing remember DX was broken up at the time. There was only Road Dogg, X-Pac and his new buddy Kane. Billy Gunn was with Chyna and Triple H was in the Corporate Ministry. By the time we got to Survivor Series the Outlaws were back together. But to answer your original question about Billy Gunn wearing a tag title.... Raw is War: June 21, 1999. 6-man tag match with Road Dogg, X-Pac and Kane vs The Acolytes (tag champions) and Billy Gunn. X-Pac challenges the Acolytes to put up the Tag Titles (which they had won from Kane and X-Pac) in the 6-man match. Billy Gunn grabs the microphone and accepts the challenge while the Acolytes look at him like he's crazy. The bell rings. Long story short, Billy Gunn ends up pinning X-Pac. Then he runs around for the next few weeks claiming to be the Tag Team champion. One of those crazy things that could only happen in the Attitude Era. Interesting angle though and made for good television.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 1:15:03 GMT -5
I thought girth was like the circumference. Anyway....let's get this back on track. What do you think WWF would've done with Bulldog had he stayed with Owen after Montreal? Well if what happened to Owen is any indication? I doubt it would have been much. Owen & Bulldog would have feuded with and been beaten by DX in no short order I would say. Agreed. Ugh.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Jul 3, 2014 1:31:31 GMT -5
Anyway....let's get this back on track. What do you think WWF would've done with Bulldog had he stayed with Owen after Montreal? Feud with Shawn Michaels for December In Your House instead of Shamrock. After that it's hard to tell. Owen was doing great post-Bret up until DX turned face in '98, because he kind of had nowhere to go. Then he ended up in the Nation and finally teamed with Jeff Jarrett in 99. In an alternate timeline where British Bulldog remains in the WWF, I think Owen would have done better. Him and Bulldog may have gotten another Intercontinental Championship reign. Definitely another Tag Championship reign. I see Owen vs. Triple H still happening at WM14 for the European title. But to me Bulldog and Owen were one of the greatest Tag Teams of all-time. And they also gave each other legitimacy during singles runs. Like in 97 when they were Tag Team Champions at the same time as Owen was the Intercontinental Champion & Bulldog was the European Champion. Eventually (probably by late 98) they might have broken up and feuded a few months, elevating them back into the singles rankings. Maybe one of them is involved in the Intercontinental Championship match at WM15. While the other one is European champion instead of D'lo and X-pac trading the strap. Who knows after that... I think it's a shame neither Bulldog or Owen were ever WWF Champion. Along with Mr. Perfect they deserved to be called World Champions imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 1:49:54 GMT -5
I loved the Bulldog and Owen tag team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 2:34:46 GMT -5
Owen visited Davey in hospital and they'd arranged for him to come back so they could team up again, obviously by the time he was able Owen had died.
Such a shame, as being in a team, especially with clean-cut Owen would have resulted in less strain on his back, and someone to keep an eye on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 8:40:09 GMT -5
What was the deal with KOTR 1999? Why was Billy Gunn wearing a tag title? And why did they wear only 1 tag title at Survivor Series 1999. So many questions... Raw is War: June 21, 1999. 6-man tag match with Road Dogg, X-Pac and Kane vs The Acolytes (tag champions) and Billy Gunn. X-Pac challenges the Acolytes to put up the Tag Titles (which they had won from Kane and X-Pac) in the 6-man match. Billy Gunn grabs the microphone and accepts the challenge while the Acolytes look at him like he's crazy. The bell rings. Long story short, Billy Gunn ends up pinning X-Pac. Then he runs around for the next few weeks claiming to be the Tag Team champion. One of those crazy things that could only happen in the Attitude Era. Interesting angle though and made for good television. Incredible! That's so stupid. I had no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 9:01:04 GMT -5
Anyway....let's get this back on track. What do you think WWF would've done with Bulldog had he stayed with Owen after Montreal? Feud with Shawn Michaels for December In Your House instead of Shamrock. After that it's hard to tell. Owen was doing great post-Bret up until DX turned face in '98, because he kind of had nowhere to go. Then he ended up in the Nation and finally teamed with Jeff Jarrett in 99. In an alternate timeline where British Bulldog remains in the WWF, I think Owen would have done better. Him and Bulldog may have gotten another Intercontinental Championship reign. Definitely another Tag Championship reign. I see Owen vs. Triple H still happening at WM14 for the European title. But to me Bulldog and Owen were one of the greatest Tag Teams of all-time. And they also gave each other legitimacy during singles runs. Like in 97 when they were Tag Team Champions at the same time as Owen was the Intercontinental Champion & Bulldog was the European Champion. Eventually (probably by late 98) they might have broken up and feuded a few months, elevating them back into the singles rankings. Maybe one of them is involved in the Intercontinental Championship match at WM15. While the other one is European champion instead of D'lo and X-pac trading the strap. Who knows after that... I think it's a shame neither Bulldog or Owen were ever WWF Champion. Along with Mr. Perfect they deserved to be called World Champions imo. Unfortunately Bulldog has nobody to blame except himself on the World title score. Had he not been such a selfish cretin @ Summerslam 1992 I'm sure he would have got there in 1993. I often wonder did he look back at that drug binge and wonder was it worth it? Vince never trusted him again. Even if he hadn't been canned in Nov 92 he was still scheduled to drop the IC to HBK at SS92. Also Owen wasn't doing so good post Bret man.....his treatment in the 1998 RR is baffling to be honest and he was then beaten by HHH @ WM14. DX turning face didn't really matter he had already been roundly beaten in that feud.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Jul 3, 2014 9:07:52 GMT -5
Feud with Shawn Michaels for December In Your House instead of Shamrock. After that it's hard to tell. Owen was doing great post-Bret up until DX turned face in '98, because he kind of had nowhere to go. Then he ended up in the Nation and finally teamed with Jeff Jarrett in 99. In an alternate timeline where British Bulldog remains in the WWF, I think Owen would have done better. Him and Bulldog may have gotten another Intercontinental Championship reign. Definitely another Tag Championship reign. I see Owen vs. Triple H still happening at WM14 for the European title. But to me Bulldog and Owen were one of the greatest Tag Teams of all-time. And they also gave each other legitimacy during singles runs. Like in 97 when they were Tag Team Champions at the same time as Owen was the Intercontinental Champion & Bulldog was the European Champion. Eventually (probably by late 98) they might have broken up and feuded a few months, elevating them back into the singles rankings. Maybe one of them is involved in the Intercontinental Championship match at WM15. While the other one is European champion instead of D'lo and X-pac trading the strap. Who knows after that... I think it's a shame neither Bulldog or Owen were ever WWF Champion. Along with Mr. Perfect they deserved to be called World Champions imo. Unfortunately Bulldog has nobody to blame except himself on the World title score. Had he not been such a selfish cretin @ Summerslam 1992 I'm sure he would have got there in 1993. I often wonder did he look back at that drug binge and wonder was it worth it? Vince never trusted him again. Even if he hadn't been canned in Nov 92 he was still scheduled to drop the IC to HBK at SS92. Also Owen wasn't doing so good post Bret man.....his treatment in the 1998 RR is baffling to be honest and he was then beaten by HHH @ WM14. DX turning face didn't really matter he had already been roundly beaten in that feud. What I mean by doing well is he had some direction and was a legitimate contender for a singles title. Had Bulldog been there, that feud would've been more interesting because Owen would've had an ally to counteract Chyna. And Owen wouldn't have had to join the Nation or turn heel... which really did nothing for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 15:00:59 GMT -5
What about the story that Davey Boy and son were training to return together? Kinda odd.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 3, 2014 18:03:59 GMT -5
Billy Gunn should have been in that match.
Bulldog was always a solid midcarder but overrated big time by the fans. No charisma and could barely speak a few words. Good in-ring competitor but was carried in his most memorable matches. I still don't understand why people say he could have been a world champ. He was in the perfect spot in the upper midcard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 18:25:35 GMT -5
Billy Gunn should have been in that match. Bulldog was always a solid midcarder but overrated big time by the fans. No charisma and could barely speak a few words. Good in-ring competitor but was carried in his most memorable matches. I still don't understand why people say he could have been a world champ. He was in the perfect spot in the upper midcard. Your a 100% right
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 18:25:48 GMT -5
Billy Gunn should have been in that match. Bulldog was always a solid midcarder but overrated big time by the fans. No charisma and could barely speak a few words. Good in-ring competitor but was carried in his most memorable matches. I still don't understand why people say he could have been a world champ. He was in the perfect spot in the upper midcard. I agree with that. Like it or not, WWF made their bed and should have laid in it. Billy Gunn was clearly the one responsible for hitting Austin with a car to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 10:08:48 GMT -5
Billy Gunn should have been in that match. Bulldog was always a solid midcarder but overrated big time by the fans. No charisma and could barely speak a few words. Good in-ring competitor but was carried in his most memorable matches. I still don't understand why people say he could have been a world champ. He was in the perfect spot in the upper midcard. Yeah....good choice.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Jul 4, 2014 10:15:48 GMT -5
Billy Gunn should have been in that match. Bulldog was always a solid midcarder but overrated big time by the fans. No charisma and could barely speak a few words. Good in-ring competitor but was carried in his most memorable matches. I still don't understand why people say he could have been a world champ. He was in the perfect spot in the upper midcard. Yeah....good choice. It would've been a great choice. But instead they chose to reunite the New Age Outlaws and commence the de-push of Mr. Ass. Who was doing great as a singles star up until then (in my opinion).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 11:33:49 GMT -5
I don't think it really mattered that Davey's promos were horrible, that wasn't what he was about. It would've been a great choice. But instead they chose to reunite the New Age Outlaws and commence the de-push of Mr. Ass. Who was doing great as a singles star up until then (in my opinion). Billy was over big time, this match was unfortunately the end of his push, as Triple H completely buried him backstage afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 13:04:43 GMT -5
I was surprised to see the Outlaws reuniting but I loved it. Then they turned heel during that crap hot match with Austin & Rock and reformed DX.
Which really didn't suit them.....HHH turned on the group 6 months earlier. Now they were back to back up HHH. then they were part of the McMahon/Helmsley regime which REALLY didn't suit them because they became whipping boys for Austin, Rock, Foley etc etc.
Strange time......Russo & Ferrara departure did create a strange period there for a while.
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