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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jul 3, 2014 19:20:33 GMT -5
The match that silenced the garden.
Let's reflect on one of the most important moments in Professional Wrestling history.
To completely convey the weight of this moment, keep in mind that Bruno's first reign as WWWF Champion is longer than any single reign of all primary champions since Hackenschmidt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 19:55:13 GMT -5
Its really something as fan of my age to look back at what the crowds did back then. Well never see a title switch that silences an entire crowd again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 20:08:17 GMT -5
Man the crowd was shocked. Although I think some of this had to do with a lot of them thinking it was real back then. Still a nice match
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 3, 2014 21:13:44 GMT -5
Nothing has ever come close to this ever other then Taker/Lesnar.
I can't imagine how it felt being a fan back then. Bruno is bigger then pro wrestling for that time period.
People that were alive back then and aren't wrestling fans talk about Bruno. My grandfather would talk about him all the time and I couldn't get my grand pop to watch more then an episode of Impact every now and then. Which he found better then WWE oddly.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 3, 2014 22:26:23 GMT -5
Dont think Ive seen the whole match before but I cant say Im very impressed. WWF always made it seem like the crowd was hanging from the roof and electric...After about a minute & half that crowd was dead. There's really no difference between crowd noise at 4:37 and when Koloff pins Bruno. Im sure it came as a shock and is clearly a big moment in wrestling, but seems like WWE overrates the reaction a little.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 3, 2014 23:21:05 GMT -5
Dont think Ive seen the whole match before but I cant say Im very impressed. WWF always made it seem like the crowd was hanging from the roof and electric...After about a minute & half that crowd was dead. There's really no difference between crowd noise at 4:37 and when Koloff pins Bruno. Im sure it came as a shock and is clearly a big moment in wrestling, but seems like WWE overrates the reaction a little. Its probably one of those situations where you had to be there to truly feel it. When Taker lost at Mania it does come across better on video then the reaction (or lack there of) here. But the audio on these old matches is always pretty shitty so who knows. The |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 3, 2014 23:25:46 GMT -5
Crowd sounded dead throughout the whole match, didn't really seem as shocking as Taker vs Brock. Commentator didn't help, but this was history I guess. Don't know about any of you guys but there is no way it seems plausible that anyone could tolerate the same champion for 8 years. With Taker it's one match a year, you know he's gonna win and it's 20 minutes BUT THIS! 8 years! It was a different time....
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 3, 2014 23:37:34 GMT -5
Crowd sounded dead throughout the whole match, didn't really seem as shocking as Taker vs Brock. Commentator didn't help, but this was history I guess. Don't know about any of you guys but there is no way it seems plausible that anyone could tolerate the same champion for 8 years. With Taker it's one match a year, you know he's gonna win and it's 20 minutes BUT THIS! 8 years! It was a different time.... It was a different time back then. Today, we see the world champion upwards of 3 times a week. In those days, you saw the champion maybe once a month and that was usually at live events. Not everyone just had a TV sitting around and those that did, I cant imagine there was a whole lot of wrestling on throughout a week. |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jul 3, 2014 23:45:44 GMT -5
Crowd sounded dead throughout the whole match, didn't really seem as shocking as Taker vs Brock. Commentator didn't help, but this was history I guess. Don't know about any of you guys but there is no way it seems plausible that anyone could tolerate the same champion for 8 years. With Taker it's one match a year, you know he's gonna win and it's 20 minutes BUT THIS! 8 years! It was a different time.... It was a different time back then. Today, we see the world champion upwards of 3 times a week. In those days, you saw the champion maybe once a month and that was usually at live events. Not everyone just had a TV sitting around and those that did, I cant imagine there was a whole lot of wrestling on throughout a week. Yeah, Bruno worked once a month, he was such a sustainable draw that he was able to hold the belt for 8 years only for everyone to go crazy when he finally lost. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:32:08 GMT -5
Heyman referenced this in Jericho's podcast with Edge recently as it pertained to the ending of the Undertaker's Streak...good stuff Phil, I wasn't alive of course when this happened, but appreciate it for what it was; a truly different time in the business, bar none...
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jul 4, 2014 9:08:24 GMT -5
Dont think Ive seen the whole match before but I cant say Im very impressed. WWF always made it seem like the crowd was hanging from the roof and electric...After about a minute & half that crowd was dead. There's really no difference between crowd noise at 4:37 and when Koloff pins Bruno. Im sure it came as a shock and is clearly a big moment in wrestling, but seems like WWE overrates the reaction a little. The audio on a lot of these older matches can be a hit or miss. Back in those days, the WWWF weren't using high, professional grade cameras. Not to mention that most of the footage back then was filmed from a hard camera perspective. The technology was there to make the picture and audio quality seem true to what the crowd saw in 1971. People like us won't fully grasp how the atmosphere was like when Bruno Sammartino lost the WWWF Championship. One has to remember New York City had a large Italian population and when they saw their hero lose the championship after holding it for eight years, they stood silent. The one thing both Sammartino's eight year reign and The Undertaker's streak is nobody, and I mean nobody could ever imagine it can end. I can assure you that 25 years from now, people will say the WWE overrates the atmosphere at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome when The Undertaker's streak ended at 21-1. Like many moments in history in wrestling and even in professional sports, you had to been part of it to fully understand the nature of what you and many others saw. I can tell you for a fact Bruno Sammartino's crowd reaction at the 2013 Hall of Fame was loud. Being part of his 188th Madison Square Garden sell-out will mean the world to me forever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -5
I would have loved to have been in attendance here.
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Post by K5 on Jul 4, 2014 16:55:53 GMT -5
amazing moment for sure - but i prefer graham's upset over bruno
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Post by The Gangsta on Jul 4, 2014 17:00:27 GMT -5
That was an unbelievable moment for sure. My dad, who has watched wrestling since he was 4, attended this match at MSG and said it was dead silent.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jul 6, 2014 20:55:51 GMT -5
Dont think Ive seen the whole match before but I cant say Im very impressed. WWF always made it seem like the crowd was hanging from the roof and electric...After about a minute & half that crowd was dead. There's really no difference between crowd noise at 4:37 and when Koloff pins Bruno. Im sure it came as a shock and is clearly a big moment in wrestling, but seems like WWE overrates the reaction a little. The audio on a lot of these older matches can be a hit or miss. Back in those days, the WWWF weren't using high, professional grade cameras. Not to mention that most of the footage back then was filmed from a hard camera perspective. The technology was there to make the picture and audio quality seem true to what the crowd saw in 1971. People like us won't fully grasp how the atmosphere was like when Bruno Sammartino lost the WWWF Championship. One has to remember New York City had a large Italian population and when they saw their hero lose the championship after holding it for eight years, they stood silent. The one thing both Sammartino's eight year reign and The Undertaker's streak is nobody, and I mean nobody could ever imagine it can end. I can assure you that 25 years from now, people will say the WWE overrates the atmosphere at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome when The Undertaker's streak ended at 21-1. Like many moments in history in wrestling and even in professional sports, you had to been part of it to fully understand the nature of what you and many others saw. I can tell you for a fact Bruno Sammartino's crowd reaction at the 2013 Hall of Fame was loud. Being part of his 188th Madison Square Garden sell-out will mean the world to me forever. Thank you for sharing this. I love it.  |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jul 6, 2014 21:39:38 GMT -5
The audio on a lot of these older matches can be a hit or miss. Back in those days, the WWWF weren't using high, professional grade cameras. Not to mention that most of the footage back then was filmed from a hard camera perspective. The technology was there to make the picture and audio quality seem true to what the crowd saw in 1971. People like us won't fully grasp how the atmosphere was like when Bruno Sammartino lost the WWWF Championship. One has to remember New York City had a large Italian population and when they saw their hero lose the championship after holding it for eight years, they stood silent. The one thing both Sammartino's eight year reign and The Undertaker's streak is nobody, and I mean nobody could ever imagine it can end. I can assure you that 25 years from now, people will say the WWE overrates the atmosphere at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome when The Undertaker's streak ended at 21-1. Like many moments in history in wrestling and even in professional sports, you had to been part of it to fully understand the nature of what you and many others saw. I can tell you for a fact Bruno Sammartino's crowd reaction at the 2013 Hall of Fame was loud. Being part of his 188th Madison Square Garden sell-out will mean the world to me forever. Thank you for sharing this. I love it. You're welcome! You can probably tell I look at wrestling and its history a lot different from most people. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 6, 2014 22:06:09 GMT -5
I met Ivan in '94 and, not surprisingly, he said this was the night he remembered above all others during his career.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jul 7, 2014 1:02:06 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing this. I love it. You're welcome! You can probably tell I look at wrestling and its history a lot different from most people. Epic Rap Rebuttals of Wrestory! Um..... Do you KNOW whom exactly you inquire?! I'm the only 90s kid in the world that to the Ultimate Warrior, prefers Fred Grubmeyer!!! I'm an amateur historian, flow like Kenny Florian, so fast, pose my jacked lats like Dorian, YATES! Live to learn of the lives of the GREATS! Pedantically profiling Pioneer-Era Pros is our FATES! We tithe to the Turnbuckle, on the Mat we tussle, screw Cena, Farmer Burns was the man with the REAL HUSTLE! Kneedrop the bustle of the blocks of seat buyers at the garden! Bossman's gonna make toilet paper from your stack of pardons! |
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