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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jul 19, 2014 0:13:59 GMT -5
I know a lot of people say the wcw guys were treated bad, but were they really .
1- Booker T invasion leader and won Tag , Ic, HVW belts & KOTR tournament
2- Bill Goldberg feuded with Lesnar , The Rock, HHH,& won the HVW belt
3 - Chris Benoit was pushed won HVW belt ( He did have to work a for it though)
4- Chris Jericho - a nobody in wcw main star in WWE
5- Big Show was brought in as a main Star
6- Rey Mysterio doing way better in E then wcw
7 Eddie Guerrero , they gave him the world title thats not bad at all since wcw never really cared about him.
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Scott Steiner- was miss treated he fell to a nobody
DDP- was getting ready to slow down his carrer
Buff Bagwell - Totaly got screwed over
So 3 out of 10 guys dis not get treated well, am I missing somthing ?
To tie this in with everything current sting said he is afraid of being missed used like all the others what others?
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Post by Planktung on Jul 19, 2014 0:20:03 GMT -5
Sting's concerns, to my understanding, mainly rose from a segment during the Invasion where The Rock asked Booker T, "Who in the blue hell are you?" That rubbed him the wrong way as he felt that it was disrespectful to a talent like Booker, and gave him doubts as to how he would be treated as a former WCW star himself. That is why he initially chose not to sign with WWF/E.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jul 19, 2014 0:21:07 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Buff Bagwell screwed himself over. I'm pretty sure he was unprofessional after WCW ended, turned up late etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 0:24:36 GMT -5
Read the Death of WCW, Buff was his own enemy
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jul 19, 2014 0:29:44 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Buff Bagwell screwed himself over. I'm pretty sure he was unprofessional after WCW ended, turned up late etc. So it's not really even wwe falt for bagwell then lol. See what I mean where they bullied and used wrong, my interpretation of when the rock said that to Booker is kinda like spider man telling superman who the hell are you , diffrent universes they would not know each other.
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Post by scottydub on Jul 19, 2014 0:37:53 GMT -5
I miss treats. #damndiet
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 0:59:23 GMT -5
Sting's concerns, to my understanding, mainly rose from a segment during the Invasion where The Rock asked Booker T, "Who in the blue hell are you?" That rubbed him the wrong way as he felt that it was disrespectful to a talent like Booker, and gave him doubts as to how he would be treated as a former WCW star himself. That is why he initially chose not to sign with WWF/E. Sting is a baby, I'd rather be misused than go to a borderline indie promotion and wrestle in front of 22 people and some plants. He could have been wrestling in front of 80k and made much more money being retired than he did there. So money must rub him the wrong way too. From what I've heard, Buff Bagwell screwed himself over. I'm pretty sure he was unprofessional after WCW ended, turned up late etc. He sucked anyway.
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Post by THE *Legendary* STINGER on Jul 19, 2014 1:06:56 GMT -5
Eddie never held the world title. Ever. Just saying
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jul 19, 2014 1:08:09 GMT -5
Sting's concerns, to my understanding, mainly rose from a segment during the Invasion where The Rock asked Booker T, "Who in the blue hell are you?" That rubbed him the wrong way as he felt that it was disrespectful to a talent like Booker, and gave him doubts as to how he would be treated as a former WCW star himself. That is why he initially chose not to sign with WWF/E. Sting is a baby, I'd rather be misused than go to a borderline indie promotion and wrestle in front of 22 people and some plants. He could have been wrestling in front of 80k and made much more money being retired than he did there. So money must rub him the wrong way too. From what I've heard, Buff Bagwell screwed himself over. I'm pretty sure he was unprofessional after WCW ended, turned up late etc. He sucked anyway. Sting has something that's really hard to find nowadays and you seem to have no concept of. Artistic integrity. It's not always about the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 1:11:05 GMT -5
Bagwell screwed himself. F*ck him.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jul 19, 2014 1:49:00 GMT -5
Also, why would you capitalize the first W in WWE and WCW and leave the rest of it lower case?
That really bugs me.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 1:49:01 GMT -5
Sting is a baby, I'd rather be misused than go to a borderline indie promotion and wrestle in front of 22 people and some plants. He could have been wrestling in front of 80k and made much more money being retired than he did there. So money must rub him the wrong way too. He sucked anyway. Sting has something that's really hard to find nowadays and you seem to have no concept of. Artistic integrity. It's not always about the money. And the integrity to go disgrace his legacy in TNA. He would have been booked fine in WWE he was just being paranoid. Booker was a champ, Goldberg was a champ, and Jericho was too. DDP was old, and pretty much everything the OP said.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Jul 19, 2014 1:49:56 GMT -5
The Rock was being the Rock. Plain and simple. Most of the WCW talents that stuck in the WWE deserved to stick. There were a tonne of younger talents that weren't ready for the WWE Machine and they were quickly weeded out over the next few years through various cuts.
Guys like Booker T, Goldberg and Rey Mysterio (I use these three as they came over AFTER the WWE purchased WCW) worked hard to get to the top of the card. Sure for awhile they weren't treated the greatest and that wasn't any different from guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko and Saturn. Those guys slowly worked there way up after proving their loyalty to the WWE. The only two guys who came in and really made a major impact right away were Jericho and Big Show. Mind you both slowly dropped to the mid card scene after their debuts.
Then you have Buff Bagwell. Buff competed for the WCW Title on Raw and then shortly after was released when his Mother called him after he no showed an event. Bagwell was pretty much released for not being a professional. DDP came in and feuded right away with the Undertaker, and it wasn't a very natural fit. DDP was always a better face than a heel and by the time he won the European Championship his in ring career was pretty much over.
In the case of DDP I like to compare him to Bret Hart going to WCW. DDP was a decent hand, but the WWE just didn't know what to do with him at the time.
Guys like Steiner just couldn't work the WWE style anymore. Steiner wasn't very mobile at the time, and Triple H did his best to make him look like a million bucks during their feud. After that Steiner was put into a tag team and was eventually released. Around this time WWE has almost every big named wrestler under contract at this time and it was hard to find places for each of these wrestlers.
You also have to remember that a lot of the bigger name WCW stars didn't come over right away which made the Invasion angle more of WWE v WCW mid card. I think that was the biggest reason ECW was added to the angle. The bigger name WCW guys sat out their guaranteed money contracts before they contacted the WWE looking for work. I think if those guys came in right away the Brand Extension would have ended up as WWE Raw & WCW Nitro (with Nitro replacing Smackdown)
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 2:01:54 GMT -5
The Rock was being the Rock. Plain and simple. Most of the WCW talents that stuck in the WWE deserved to stick. There were a tonne of younger talents that weren't ready for the WWE Machine and they were quickly weeded out over the next few years through various cuts. Guys like Booker T, Goldberg and Rey Mysterio (I use these three as they came over AFTER the WWE purchased WCW) worked hard to get to the top of the card. Sure for awhile they weren't treated the greatest and that wasn't any different from guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko and Saturn. Those guys slowly worked there way up after proving their loyalty to the WWE. The only two guys who came in and really made a major impact right away were Jericho and Big Show. Mind you both slowly dropped to the mid card scene after their debuts. Then you have Buff Bagwell. Buff competed for the WCW Title on Raw and then shortly after was released when his Mother called him after he no showed an event. Bagwell was pretty much released for not being a professional. DDP came in and feuded right away with the Undertaker, and it wasn't a very natural fit. DDP was always a better face than a heel and by the time he won the European Championship his in ring career was pretty much over. In the case of DDP I like to compare him to Bret Hart going to WCW. DDP was a decent hand, but the WWE just didn't know what to do with him at the time. Guys like Steiner just couldn't work the WWE style anymore. Steiner wasn't very mobile at the time, and Triple H did his best to make him look like a million bucks during their feud. After that Steiner was put into a tag team and was eventually released. Around this time WWE has almost every big named wrestler under contract at this time and it was hard to find places for each of these wrestlers.You also have to remember that a lot of the bigger name WCW stars didn't come over right away which made the Invasion angle more of WWE v WCW mid card. I think that was the biggest reason ECW was added to the angle. The bigger name WCW guys sat out their guaranteed money contracts before they contacted the WWE looking for work. I think if those guys came in right away the Brand Extension would have ended up as WWE Raw & WCW Nitro (with Nitro replacing Smackdown) That is absolute bullcrap. H did nothing but try and make him look terrible.
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Post by Mr. K.O on Jul 19, 2014 2:08:17 GMT -5
Goldberg may have won the World Title, but to this day I'm still scratching my head as to why they had him lose at SummerSlam.
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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Jul 19, 2014 2:20:56 GMT -5
Sting's concerns, to my understanding, mainly rose from a segment during the Invasion where The Rock asked Booker T, "Who in the blue hell are you?" That rubbed him the wrong way as he felt that it was disrespectful to a talent like Booker, and gave him doubts as to how he would be treated as a former WCW star himself. That is why he initially chose not to sign with WWF/E. never saw the segment with rock and booker t but isnt that just half of one of rock's catch phrases? rock asks "who r u?", person tries to answer, and rock screams "it doesnt matter who u r". so i dont get what stings problem with that was unless he knows nothing about the rock.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 19, 2014 2:46:38 GMT -5
For ever "good thing" a WCW star did on their own, WWE did 2-3 other things that were just as terrible. WCW made a star out of Booker T and then Rock trashes him when he walks into a WWF ring. They turn him into a silly ass "royal", dude is from the streets of Houston not London. Goldberg has wins over Rock & Triple H but ultimately feuded with mid carders his entire tenure and in the end lost his feud with Triple H. Booker, Benoit and Rey all also won the "B Title" and were never made the "face" or main champion. Rey also only got the title because of Eddie's death. Speaking of which, Eddie earned his title but he was fired once or twice before ever getting there. He lingered around mid card status for years. Its not like he was pushed to the moon right away.
The only guys to have come from WCW into the WWF and not had their legacies "damaged" were Flair, Luger and Sid. All of which were brought in, used as main eventers, feuded with main eventers and then when they left they were "no less" of a star then when they came in.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 3:03:44 GMT -5
For ever "good thing" a WCW star did on their own, WWE did 2-3 other things that were just as terrible. WCW made a star out of Booker T and then Rock trashes him when he walks into a WWF ring. They turn him into a silly ass "royal", dude is from the streets of Houston not London. Goldberg has wins over Rock & Triple H but ultimately feuded with mid carders his entire tenure and in the end lost his feud with Triple H. Booker, Benoit and Rey all also won the "B Title" and were never made the "face" or main champion. Rey also only got the title because of Eddie's death. Speaking of which, Eddie earned his title but he was fired once or twice before ever getting there. He lingered around mid card status for years. Its not like he was pushed to the moon right away. The only guys to have come from WCW into the WWF and not had their legacies "damaged" were Flair, Luger and Sid. All of which were brought in, used as main eventers, feuded with main eventers and then when they left they were "no less" of a star then when they came in. Benoit won the main title at the time, the whc which main evented and was the raw belt. Rey has also won both. Eddie had personal problems which is why he was let go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 3:24:08 GMT -5
Speaking of which, Eddie earned his title but he was fired once or twice before ever getting there. He lingered around mid card status for years. Its not like he was pushed to the moon right away. Well tbh Eddie was smashed out on drugs so it's not really WWE's fault on that, and I wouldn't call being one of the praised Smackdown 6 as 'lingering around the midcard', he was doing pretty durn good for himself given that he almost pissed it away.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Jul 19, 2014 4:02:38 GMT -5
I will say that the WCW guys that came BEFORE the company was bought fared way better than the guys that came after... save for Booker T and Mysterio who had great careers in the 'E.
Goldberg: After watching the Elimination Chamber match from '03 again, the crowd was going crazy for him. Complete opposite of the reception he got against The Rock. There was much more he could've done there, like a feud with Kurt Angle, which would've KILLED, but he got his money and left. I understand that he was upset because they called him a "flop" during one of the quarterly business calls, but he should've taken that chance and proved them wrong.
Scott Steiner: As popular as he was, he should've been HUGE during this run, but it didn't happen.
DDP: He came in as a stalker and was instantly fed to The Undertaker. Nothing wrong with losing to The Undertaker, but not THAT quick.
Buff Bagwell: Total idiot. That's all there is to say. His character was made for a company like the 'E and he threw that all away by being stupid.
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