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Post by Sleazyness on Aug 4, 2014 23:02:26 GMT -5
In the video package we heard from Cena and Lesnar.
Lesnar stated that if he never left, Cena wouldn't be where he is now.
Cena stated that if Lesnar never left, he would be where he is anyways.
Who do you agree with?
I agree with Cena because Cena was incredibly over at the time Lesnar left and Lesnar has limited appeal, in my opinion.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 4, 2014 23:05:24 GMT -5
Cena would be a mid carder or main event heel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 23:06:12 GMT -5
Just watch SD in 03, they were planting the seeds even then.
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Post by Tyler Black on Aug 4, 2014 23:13:34 GMT -5
Cena would still be huge, but Lesnar would be the one with 15 world championships
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 4, 2014 23:20:23 GMT -5
Lesnar was never going to shake hands and kiss babies. The WWE needed a boy scout like Cena to do and say all the right things in the ring, but more importantly represent them outside of the ring. Lesnar didn't even want to wrestle full time, let alone put in all the extra hours Cena does on a weekly basis. Let's say Lesnar was right, WWE still would have needed a Cena-type, with or without Lesnar. I'm guessing Cena would have ended up right in or very close to the same spot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 23:29:54 GMT -5
Seeing that Cena was already well on his way to becoming Cena, I doubt Lesnar would have made a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 23:30:41 GMT -5
Cena would be where Orton is as the 2nd top guy.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 5, 2014 0:06:47 GMT -5
Cena would be where Orton is as the 2nd top guy. No, Cena would have risen to the top because Brock's reign of terror would have gotten old. Plus he can't talk at all.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 5, 2014 2:00:02 GMT -5
Cena would be where Orton is as the 2nd top guy. No, Cena would have risen to the top because Brock's reign of terror would have gotten old. Plus he can't talk at all. Brock didn't need to talk. Dude had everyone behind him as a face working with Angle. He really is something special. I think its very simple. Lesnar, Cena, Orton and Batista. Those would be the top four and basically be interchangeable like Austin Rock, Triple H, Foley, Taker and Angle were during the attitude era. Brock and Cena being the Rock and Austin obviously. I'm not sure though. Like I said Brock didn't need to talk and was THE guy before he walked. Plus he had fresh feuds in Deadman Taker, Benoit, Evolution, and so many more. Brock didn't work with over half of the roster yet before he left. He wouldn't have gotten stale for a long time IMO. People love to watch the guy too. Just look at his UFC buy rates. Not everyone needs to be able to cut a Flair esque promo to have charisma.
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Post by Epic Z on Aug 5, 2014 2:07:32 GMT -5
The bigger question is, where would Randy Orton be if Lesnar never left? The plan was for Cena and Brock to be the #1 & 2 guys in the future, what would've happened to Orton then is what my question is.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 5, 2014 2:21:53 GMT -5
The bigger question is, where would Randy Orton be if Lesnar never left? The plan was for Cena and Brock to be the #1 & 2 guys in the future, what would've happened to Orton then is what my question is. Still gets the first world title reign. Only way he doesn't get that reign is if Brock is drafted to Raw after WMXX. Cena had the US Title and there really wasn't anyone else viable on Raw. After that Orton fades into the mid card basically like he did anyway. Orton was basically a mid carder til 2007 so I don't think his career is effected that much. Batista might be the real question.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 5, 2014 3:48:20 GMT -5
I think there was room at the top for Lesnar without the need to demote another top star. Most guys would be in the same position they are now imo, just the trivial matter of Edge/Orton/Punk being #3 not #2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 6:29:55 GMT -5
Hmmm...I kinda agree more with Cena...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 6:30:56 GMT -5
No way to really answer this as so many other factors are involved.
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Post by The Gangsta on Aug 5, 2014 7:20:14 GMT -5
WWE built up Lesnar alot in 2002-2004 and made him from an OVW Star to a Main Eventer within a couple of months. When Cena first started out, there were signs of potential future champion in him during his mid-card matches. If Lesnar didn't jump ship to go to NFL and UFC, Lesnar would be one of the main stars with many title reigns. However, Cena, IMO, would still be very big, maybe not 15-time world champion, but still relatively underpowered to Brock Lesnar in terms of overall stardom within the company.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 8:04:38 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 5, 2014 8:12:03 GMT -5
I think John Cena would still be a big star because as someone else pointed out, the WWE needed that boy scout poster child. Brock isn't the guy to go and do press for the company but Cena is. Brock would've been number one and Cena would've been 1A or something.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 5, 2014 8:12:30 GMT -5
They both would have had success. The guy who wouldn't have main event success would be JBL. NO WAY he has a long run if Lesnar were around.
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Post by sitruC on Aug 5, 2014 8:45:07 GMT -5
Lesnar would be the A+ Cena would be the A
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 8:53:32 GMT -5
This is all I got out of it: Also, I love WWE's move. Let's show the match from 2 years ago right after Raw, after we spent 30 minutes of a 3 hour show promoting the fight at Summer Slam. Its just like when they have the 2 Main Eventers fight on the Raw before the PPV, just dumb. I'll support you more if you stop rehashing everything and making it unoriginal and washed out by the time I see it.
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