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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 0:25:38 GMT -5
for me, I feel like I've seen Kane & orton vs Reigns 10 times I was under the impression we've already seen Orton & Reigns 1 on 1, but if not...it feels old already
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 0:40:39 GMT -5
The match and feud, neither, have been developed very well. Reigns needs a big time match. And an opponent like Orton is just that. However, nothing has really been brewing between the 2 on Raws/SD. Its basically Reigns vs. Orton. They arent feuding over a title, bitter hate, turning on The Shield, hurting one's family, respect, etc. They are just having a match.....because. Because Reigns is in the way of Orton having a title match and was told if he beat Reigns he'd be closer to getting one???
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 14, 2014 0:43:39 GMT -5
Orton is boring and has been emasculated in the last year, while Roman Reigns is liked by the fans but has some big holes in his game. It COULD be a good match, but Orton has had some boring clunkers before (and that damn chin lock is a real killer) while Reigns might not have what it takes to be a great singles wrestler. I could take or leave this match, so if it's good I will pleasantly surprised.
That's pretty much how I feel about the WWE as a whole these days - the Network is totally worth $10 a month, but if the PPVs are just okay it's no big loss to me. If I was paying $40 or $50 a show I'd be pissed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 1:00:44 GMT -5
for me, I feel like I've seen Kane & orton vs Reigns 10 times I was under the impression we've already seen Orton & Reigns 1 on 1, but if not...it feels old already Not to mention all of the interactions between the two during the Shield vs. Evolution feud from earlier in the year. It's being billed as a fresh match-up but it really isn't.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 14, 2014 1:00:49 GMT -5
The match and feud, neither, have been developed very well. Reigns needs a big time match. And an opponent like Orton is just that. However, nothing has really been brewing between the 2 on Raws/SD. Its basically Reigns vs. Orton. They arent feuding over a title, bitter hate, turning on The Shield, hurting one's family, respect, etc. They are just having a match.....because. Because Reigns is in the way of Orton having a title match and was told if he beat Reigns he'd be closer to getting one??? Now that you say it, the idea that Reigns was in Orton's way of a title shot was definitely mentioned. But this is exactly what I am saying....no development, poor build. If this was built as Orton's "road block", which I think makes no sense, then each week we should be hearing about it. This should be a #1 contender's match or a winner gets a future World Title match, etc. "road blocks" are generally setup as a babyface story. The authority says to Roman, that if he wants a title match......he needs to beat Randy Orton. Not setting up your own guy, IE Orton, with a road block....unless you are setting Orton up for a turn.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 14, 2014 1:44:18 GMT -5
Because it's been on raw and SD several times before.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 14, 2014 1:46:18 GMT -5
Because Reigns is in the way of Orton having a title match and was told if he beat Reigns he'd be closer to getting one??? Now that you say it, the idea that Reigns was in Orton's way of a title shot was definitely mentioned. But this is exactly what I am saying....no development, poor build. If this was built as Orton's "road block", which I think makes no sense, then each week we should be hearing about it. This should be a #1 contender's match or a winner gets a future World Title match, etc. "road blocks" are generally setup as a babyface story. The authority says to Roman, that if he wants a title match......he needs to beat Randy Orton. Not setting up your own guy, IE Orton, with a road block....unless you are setting Orton up for a turn. You can't have it for a number one contendership because Reigns can't lose, and he won't be able to not win the title either. It'll be like HiaC with Ryback all over again, booking into a corner. He's winning the belt at Mania, not sooner and he will be against every top dog before then and go over every single one. Clean. Then after he wins the belt he can feud with Cena and put him down too.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 14, 2014 3:21:41 GMT -5
I agree. I believe it's going to be a really good match. It's the one I'm looking forward to the most.
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Post by jcjdotcom on Aug 14, 2014 7:44:10 GMT -5
Because Roman Reigns is awful at everything except the hot tag? This is the equivalent of pushing Jim Neidhart over Bret. That is an excellent analogy and it describes Reigns perfectly. I like Reigns, but it seems obvious to just about everyone except the WWE writers/Vince that he needs a partner. That said, I hope he improves. I'd like to see all three members of the Shield have long, successful careers. Orton is disliked (not in the heel heat way) and/or found extremely boring by many people. So, someone who isn't ready + someone who isn't liked = match not a big deal
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Post by HVMMONS on Aug 14, 2014 8:18:06 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from. Reigns is not ready, and Orton isn't doing much to elevate Reigns to make him look strong in this feud... So, it doesn't help Reigns at all. He'll win at Summerslam, and I'll be shocked if he loses. I just wish WWE had the same mentality of making mid card, and lower card matches just as, or close to important as the main event. However, Summerslam's card this year is actually well done. Other PPV's, not so much. If this is well done, what is a bad card for you? One that doesn't suck. Extreme Rules, Battleground.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 14, 2014 8:58:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty turned off by Reigns at this point. Not because I don't like the guy, because I do, but because he's failed to really shine in this singles role. His recent promo was horrendous and it's not like he has that many lines to begin with. We've really seen the spear, punch, dropkick, and samoan drop, a bazillion times already. They would have been better off handling Reigns like they have Bray Wyatt. Making it feel extremely special when he does get in the ring. That way when he does his Goldberg schtick it doesn't feel over done. He needs to stay away from the microphone though imo because he doesn't have it, at least not yet.
This is the thing I don't understand, Paul Heyman was able to look at a guy and say ok, he can do this but he can't do that, and let's build around what he can do, versus what he can't. 911, Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, Simon Diamond, Nova, Tazz, I mean you name it and he molded the character so it was applicable for an audience. Why WWE doesn't put this into practice is beyond me. I think part of it plays into WWE's current trend of just running guys out there for meaningless match, after meaningless match, to fill up the 3 hour time slot, which has severely hurt the product through over exposure. That to me isn't an excuse though because they should be looking to fill that time with feud building and entertaining segments, which they definitely do not.
I don't know, I'm an Orton fan, and I like Reigns, but I'm just not invested in the match. I actually thought Orton's beatdown on Reigns was boring as hell. I lost interest half way through it. How many times have we seen that? So if the feud is uninspired, I'm going to be uninspired by the idea of watching the match. At this point, it doesn't really matter to me how good, or bad, a match turns out of it doesn't have any meaning behind it. I can't tell you how many great matches Ziggler and Orton have had together, countless, but I couldn't name a single specific one off the top of my head. Those are empty matches that don't have any retention because there was nothing built around them. This is a habit WWE desperately needs to break if they want to be more entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 9:07:43 GMT -5
Because there's about 12 hours of content to fill a week and in the weeks leading up to it, we've pretty much seen this match several times over. They're pretty much taken the mystery out of it and its already stale. In my opinion, this Summer Slam is going to honk.
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Post by Matt on Aug 14, 2014 9:15:17 GMT -5
I think that this match will be very good. You got Reigns who works very well in the ring, and Orton who obviously works well in the ring. This match good be very well. Yeah I would totally be for a No DQ Match because I think it would make it a whole lot better but it should still be good with these men's ability. I'm excited for this match.
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Post by dod0411 on Aug 14, 2014 9:23:20 GMT -5
Cuz orton is played out.
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Post by Dan on Aug 14, 2014 11:12:04 GMT -5
Because of Part-timer Brock Lesnar both of them are taking a backseat. There's no other reason. That's it. Don't think about it to hard Ridiculous thing to say. Orton has already had a lengthy reign as World Champion and just Main Evented Wrestlemania. He doesn't need the Belt back. As for Reigns, this is only really his first singles feud since breaking from the Shield. He's lucky to be heading into a Match with Orton at Summerslam as it is. Therefore, neither of them are taking a backseat, and especially not to Brock Lesnar, who is genuinely the only realistic and viable option for World Champion at this moment in time. He might be on a part time contract, but he's earnt it, and is still arguably one of the best all round athletes in the ring today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 11:43:58 GMT -5
Because of Part-timer Brock Lesnar both of them are taking a backseat. There's no other reason. That's it. Don't think about it to hard Ridiculous thing to say. Orton has already had a lengthy reign as World Champion and just Main Evented Wrestlemania. He doesn't need the Belt back. As for Reigns, this is only really his first singles feud since breaking from the Shield. He's lucky to be heading into a Match with Orton at Summerslam as it is. Therefore, neither of them are taking a backseat, and especially not to Brock Lesnar, who is genuinely the only realistic and viable option for World Champion at this moment in time. He might be on a part time contract, but he's earnt it, and is still arguably one of the best all round athletes in the ring today. By taking a backseat I'm saying the feud could have been written better and had a bigger feel to it but they want to keep the focus mainly on Lesnar vs. Cena
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Post by Chief on Aug 14, 2014 11:47:33 GMT -5
Orton has been neutered as a heel since he turned. His title reign was terrible as was the Authority stuff. He comes across as a lackey for HHH and I get tired of him saying he's going to bring back the old Viper every other week.
To put this in Pokemon terms, Orton is the Jr Trainer you battle before taking on the Gym Leader. HHH is the Gym Leader and I think the average fan perceives that as the bigger match. Therefore this match is just the bridge to that.
Orton has to be the least over guy for his level of push and time spent on top.
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Post by LtD73 on Aug 14, 2014 12:00:30 GMT -5
Because they want HHH/Reigns for Night of Champions so people renew their subscriptions
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 12:17:31 GMT -5
Because they both suck
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 12:39:27 GMT -5
Because Randy Orton has gotten really stale and usually it's the veterans job to help spruce up the young guns career. But... he's kind of not doing so well, maybe it's creatives fault though, who knows.
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