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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 12:44:34 GMT -5
Because Orton hasn't had a decent match in forever. Because Roman Reigns is awful at everything except the hot tag? This is the equivalent of pushing Jim Neidhart over Bret.
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Post by knupmc on Aug 14, 2014 12:47:44 GMT -5
Because people hate Randy and are starting to really hate Roman. So even if they put on a 5 star match, they'll still complain about how awful they are. Definitely agree 110% with this
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 14, 2014 23:07:28 GMT -5
Now that you say it, the idea that Reigns was in Orton's way of a title shot was definitely mentioned. But this is exactly what I am saying....no development, poor build. If this was built as Orton's "road block", which I think makes no sense, then each week we should be hearing about it. This should be a #1 contender's match or a winner gets a future World Title match, etc. "road blocks" are generally setup as a babyface story. The authority says to Roman, that if he wants a title match......he needs to beat Randy Orton. Not setting up your own guy, IE Orton, with a road block....unless you are setting Orton up for a turn. You can't have it for a number one contendership because Reigns can't lose, and he won't be able to not win the title either. It'll be like HiaC with Ryback all over again, booking into a corner. He's winning the belt at Mania, not sooner and he will be against every top dog before then and go over every single one. Clean. Then after he wins the belt he can feud with Cena and put him down too. Actually, you CAN have him win the #1 contendership, if you have writers that are creative and crafty enough. If Cena retains, Reigns/Cena can be booked for the Raw following the Raw after SS. Reigns challenges Cena, in the final segment, because he is the #1 contender next week live on Raw. Cena, being the heroic baby face, accepts and you have your main event. Cena/Reigns gets a solid 20-25 mins. with back and forth action. Ends with......insert next feud for Cena or insert next feud with Reigns. The other babyface makes the save, match ends in a DQ, no contest, whatever. If Lesnar actually wins, have Reigns make the challenge during the opening segment of Raw interrupting Lesnar's coronation ceremony. Main event comes, cue Reigns next feud.....attacks Reigns before the match gets underway. New feud opponent lays Reigns out to end the show. Certainly not as strong as the Cena scenario....but its something just off the top of my head. It still covers all bases, protects a possible Lesnar/Regins mega match not just being given away, introduces a new feud. AND.....gives purpose for this next new feud. X person just screwed Reigns at his chance to be WWE Champion.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 14, 2014 23:13:18 GMT -5
You can't have it for a number one contendership because Reigns can't lose, and he won't be able to not win the title either. It'll be like HiaC with Ryback all over again, booking into a corner. He's winning the belt at Mania, not sooner and he will be against every top dog before then and go over every single one. Clean. Then after he wins the belt he can feud with Cena and put him down too. Actually, you CAN have him win the #1 contendership, if you have writers that are creative and crafty enough. If Cena retains, Reigns/Cena can be booked for the Raw following the Raw after SS. Reigns challenges Cena, in the final segment, because he is the #1 contender next week live on Raw. Cena, being the heroic baby face, accepts and you have your main event. Cena/Reigns gets a solid 20-25 mins. with back and forth action. Ends with......insert next feud for Cena or insert next feud with Reigns. The other babyface makes the save, match ends in a DQ, no contest, whatever. If Lesnar actually wins, have Reigns make the challenge during the opening segment of Raw interrupting Lesnar's coronation ceremony. Main event comes, cue Reigns next feud.....attacks Reigns before the match gets underway. New feud opponent lays Reigns out to end the show. Certainly not as strong as the Cena scenario....but its something just off the top of my head. It still covers all bases, protects a possible Lesnar/Regins mega match not just being given away, introduces a new feud. AND.....gives purpose for this next new feud. X person just screwed Reigns at his chance to be WWE Champion. Booking your future face of the company against Cena is not a good choice, he has a reputation and Reigns would end up like Wyatt, he'd get cheered a lot but where would he go after? Down until Lesnar. So that wouldn't work at all. Your second scenario is a little better but WWE aren't taking any risks, he's already lost 2 title matches, albeit not being pinned but he isn't going to take a 1v1 pinfall loss for a long time, so challenging for the title is a bad idea in any form imo. Having someone attack before the match also works but they'd need a good motive and it would need to be someone who can lose to Reigns at back to back PPVs. I guess Triple H works but it's just predictable.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 14, 2014 23:17:11 GMT -5
Actually, you CAN have him win the #1 contendership, if you have writers that are creative and crafty enough. If Cena retains, Reigns/Cena can be booked for the Raw following the Raw after SS. Reigns challenges Cena, in the final segment, because he is the #1 contender next week live on Raw. Cena, being the heroic baby face, accepts and you have your main event. Cena/Reigns gets a solid 20-25 mins. with back and forth action. Ends with......insert next feud for Cena or insert next feud with Reigns. The other babyface makes the save, match ends in a DQ, no contest, whatever. If Lesnar actually wins, have Reigns make the challenge during the opening segment of Raw interrupting Lesnar's coronation ceremony. Main event comes, cue Reigns next feud.....attacks Reigns before the match gets underway. New feud opponent lays Reigns out to end the show. Certainly not as strong as the Cena scenario....but its something just off the top of my head. It still covers all bases, protects a possible Lesnar/Regins mega match not just being given away, introduces a new feud. AND.....gives purpose for this next new feud. X person just screwed Reigns at his chance to be WWE Champion. Booking your future face of the company against Cena is not a good choice, he has a reputation and Reigns would end up like Wyatt, he'd get cheered a lot but where would he go after? Down until Lesnar. So that wouldn't work at all. Your second scenario is a little better but WWE aren't taking any risks, he's already lost 2 title matches, albeit not being pinned but he isn't going to take a 1v1 pinfall loss for a long time, so challenging for the title is a bad idea in any form imo. Having someone attack before the match also works but they'd need a good motive and it would need to be someone who can lose to Reigns at back to back PPVs. I guess Triple H works but it's just predictable. Cena has a reputation for what? Reigns goes wherever they want him to go. I never said Reigns gets pinned. I specifically said, the match never goes down. You dont want to give Lesnar/Reigns away, especially if you want this to be a Mania match and/or a mega match.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 14, 2014 23:29:34 GMT -5
Booking your future face of the company against Cena is not a good choice, he has a reputation and Reigns would end up like Wyatt, he'd get cheered a lot but where would he go after? Down until Lesnar. So that wouldn't work at all. Your second scenario is a little better but WWE aren't taking any risks, he's already lost 2 title matches, albeit not being pinned but he isn't going to take a 1v1 pinfall loss for a long time, so challenging for the title is a bad idea in any form imo. Having someone attack before the match also works but they'd need a good motive and it would need to be someone who can lose to Reigns at back to back PPVs. I guess Triple H works but it's just predictable. Cena has a reputation for what? Reigns goes wherever they want him to go. I never said Reigns gets pinned. I specifically said, the match never goes down. You dont want to give Lesnar/Reigns away, especially if you want this to be a Mania match and/or a mega match. Going over young talent, particularly talent that threatens him. The match wouldn't happen because for the next 8 months Reigns has no where to go but down till he wins the Rumble and faces Lesnar. It would be stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 23:38:06 GMT -5
Because of Orton and Reigns.
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Post by k5 on Aug 14, 2014 23:57:26 GMT -5
i'm excited for the rest, and up to this thread had no idea that people weren't behind reigns any more.
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Post by RV F'N D on Aug 15, 2014 7:18:43 GMT -5
Orton is just flat out boring to me. People talk about how good his ring work is, but he basically has the same match every time, just like Cena and Sheamus do. Reigns has been booked like a superhero so there is little doubt what will happen. It's a perfect recipe for apathy.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 16, 2014 0:58:36 GMT -5
Cena has a reputation for what? Reigns goes wherever they want him to go. I never said Reigns gets pinned. I specifically said, the match never goes down. You dont want to give Lesnar/Reigns away, especially if you want this to be a Mania match and/or a mega match. Going over young talent, particularly talent that threatens him. The match wouldn't happen because for the next 8 months Reigns has no where to go but down till he wins the Rumble and faces Lesnar. It would be stupid. And if WWE wants to put a stop to it, they will. If they dont....they wont. The match can happen, regardless of Cena's personal thoughts, if WWE wants it.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 16, 2014 1:08:24 GMT -5
Going over young talent, particularly talent that threatens him. The match wouldn't happen because for the next 8 months Reigns has no where to go but down till he wins the Rumble and faces Lesnar. It would be stupid. And if WWE wants to put a stop to it, they will. If they dont....they wont. The match can happen, regardless of Cena's personal thoughts, if WWE wants it. You're missing the point, where would he go if he goes over Cena? Down, which loses momentum, which means he won't be as over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 2:03:17 GMT -5
The match and feud, neither, have been developed very well. Reigns needs a big time match. And an opponent like Orton is just that. However, nothing has really been brewing between the 2 on Raws/SD. Its basically Reigns vs. Orton. They arent feuding over a title, bitter hate, turning on The Shield, hurting one's family, respect, etc. They are just having a match.....because. Because Reigns is in the way of Orton having a title match and was told if he beat Reigns he'd be closer to getting one??? Because they have nothing to do and they're too big to not be doing anything.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 16, 2014 2:37:51 GMT -5
And if WWE wants to put a stop to it, they will. If they dont....they wont. The match can happen, regardless of Cena's personal thoughts, if WWE wants it. You're missing the point, where would he go if he goes over Cena? Down, which loses momentum, which means he won't be as over. You're forgetting everything I said. I NEVER said he should beat Cena nor lose to Cena.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 16, 2014 3:23:20 GMT -5
Well for a kick-off, there are more interesting matches on the card, involving better performers. Secondly, Roman Reigns is a joke of a wrestler, and pretty much sucks at everything... Orton on the other hand - despite contrary opinion - was never really that good to begin with, and having regressed further with time, is certainly not good enough to carry someone as bad as Reigns to a good match. It doesn't help that they're both as dull as ditchwater, either. Add all this together and it's a recipe for disaster.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Aug 17, 2014 14:22:53 GMT -5
I actually like their feud, this is a good match for the under card. Orton will have to carry Reigns though which will be interesting to see.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 17, 2014 14:29:13 GMT -5
Because of Part-timer Brock Lesnar both of them are taking a backseat. There's no other reason. That's it. Don't think about it to hard Also worth considering that Orton has been directionless and uninteresting since Wrestlemania. I feel bad for the guy, because he's one of the very best performers on the roster...
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