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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 0:51:47 GMT -5
Amnesty International is investigating human rights violations in Ferguson, first time ever they're doing one within the United States. Sh*t is serious.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 18, 2014 0:58:08 GMT -5
Amnesty International is investigating human rights violations in Ferguson, first time ever they're doing one within the United States. Sh*t is serious. Im not quite sure who they are...but a civil situation in the United States...I cant see them having any stroke in the say so at all. It will all come down to the Furgeson/FBI investigation that matters. |
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Post by slappy on Aug 18, 2014 1:17:21 GMT -5
Dont be surprised when the investigation is done that Officer Wilson was in the right and then we'll have more rioting. Ive read numerous "Eye Witness" reports about what happened and once the autopsy came out, almost every one of them were prove false just from the autopsy. If Mike Brown only robbed a store then a shooting is clearly unjust but from the video Brown looked to be a good sized fella and it wouldnt surprise me if there wasnt a struggle over a weapon (if Im not mistaken there was gun fire inside of the officers cruiser)..to me, at that point you've put an officers life in danger. In a life or death situation, there are no rules for survival. What reason would Michael Brown have had to try and grab the cop's weapon? Because the cop said to stop walking in the street? He was so outraged that the cop dared tell him to walk on the sidewalk that he decided to grab the cop's gun so he could kill him? Eye witnesses say his hands were outside of the car. The autopsy says he was struck at least six times and most of them from a distance. He couldn't have robbed the store anyway since there would be no way he could have gotten from the store to where he was in the short time this occurred. That and the owner of the store says he didn't steal anything. What was the excuse for the officers to leave him in the street with no medical attention for at least 30-40 minutes? |
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Post by Mox on Aug 18, 2014 1:25:57 GMT -5
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Post by Word™ on Aug 18, 2014 1:26:49 GMT -5
It's not chaos.. It's incompetence. I guess the latter could lead to chaos... But I'm actually viewing this Ferguson thing as a current distraction from other world matters.. That's why it's getting so much "news" coverage.. It's all very convenient. EDIT: That's an issue anywhere there are black residents and white police officers.. This is a deep issue in America, not just Ferguson. The issue is way, way more than "black people vs. white cops". Way more.. More like "black people vs. white people", cop or not.. This is about race. Plain and simple. As long as the American people are versus the American people.. We can never work together and rise up to revolt against our government if need be. The insane amount of "news" coverage this story is bleeding fuels racial tension beyond one town, one city, or one state. It floods across America.. And not the much needed "we need to finally talk about this" racial topic, more like the "OH YEAH, I remember we use to really hate each other" type of topic.. And that is exactly what the USA's "news media" does.. Adds fuel to the fire with it's "coverage". It's kinda like a magic trick though.. While the media is fueling one thing in this hand, our government is actually doing another thing in the other hand.. I'm not going to dive into this any deeper right now and stress myself out.. So I'm gonna ease my tension by posting a clever video to help explain my view... They're using us to play football! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 1:31:58 GMT -5
Amnesty International is investigating human rights violations in Ferguson, first time ever they're doing one within the United States. Sh*t is serious. Im not quite sure who they are...but a civil situation in the United States...I cant see them having any stroke in the say so at all. It will all come down to the Furgeson/FBI investigation that matters. They're a major human rights group. They've gone in and helped out/intervened in serious human rights situations in Africa, the Middle East, and various other regions across the globe. For them to actually say that there's a major human rights violation in the United States means that something is severely  ed up, and probably would have the biggest effect doing so aside from the United Nations. Cause for real, the sh*t that's going down is 100% ed up. Officers have tear gassed innocent women and children. To save some businesses stock from a small amount of looters? |
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Post by Mox on Aug 18, 2014 1:37:30 GMT -5
The violence and anger over this shooting is the top of the iceberg. But the deep rooted feelings of oppression and discrimination are the much bigger part under water.  Good luck trying to get the mob to understand this though. It's going to take years and years of work to try to heal this community. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 1:44:57 GMT -5
Man, this just keeps getting worse.
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Post by Mox on Aug 18, 2014 1:53:30 GMT -5
Im not quite sure who they are...but a civil situation in the United States...I cant see them having any stroke in the say so at all. It will all come down to the Furgeson/FBI investigation that matters. They're a major human rights group. They've gone in and helped out/intervened in serious human rights situations in Africa, the Middle East, and various other regions across the globe. For them to actually say that there's a major human rights violation in the United States means that something is severely ed up, and probably would have the biggest effect doing so aside from the United Nations. Cause for real, the sh*t that's going down is 100% ed up. Officers have tear gassed innocent women and children. To save some businesses stock from a small amount of looters? I will respect your opinion. But I disagree completely. We're literally reaching a "blaming the victim" situation here. And yes, I mean the police are the victims. Innocent women and children? D'okay. Well the curfew is the law and I read that gas was used because someone had a gun. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 2:07:43 GMT -5
They're a major human rights group. They've gone in and helped out/intervened in serious human rights situations in Africa, the Middle East, and various other regions across the globe. For them to actually say that there's a major human rights violation in the United States means that something is severely ed up, and probably would have the biggest effect doing so aside from the United Nations. Cause for real, the sh*t that's going down is 100% ed up. Officers have tear gassed innocent women and children. To save some businesses stock from a small amount of looters? I will respect your opinion. But I disagree completely. We're literally reaching a "blaming the victim" situation here. And yes, I mean the police are the victims. Innocent women and children? D'okay. Well the curfew is the law and I read that gas was used because someone had a gun. I don't get how people can call the police the victim in this case when they didn't have a casualty, a member of the public did. They were the ones firing tear gas and rubber bullets at the peaceful protesters, not the looters. Plus I don't get why anyone would condone firing tear gas at a child, let alone men and women when they're not dangerous. If they're bringing MILITARIZED weapons for a police force, then how come they can't bring enough cars to take people to jail? I understand tear gassing someone in extreme cases, but this is just disgusting. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 2:10:00 GMT -5
MVP is there now actually.
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Post by slappy on Aug 18, 2014 2:30:14 GMT -5
I don't get how people can call the police the victim in this case when they didn't have a casualty, a member of the public did. They were the ones firing tear gas and rubber bullets at the peaceful protesters, not the looters. Plus I don't get why anyone would condone firing tear gas at a child, let alone men and women when they're not dangerous. If they're bringing MILITARIZED weapons for a police force, then how come they can't bring enough cars to take people to jail? I understand tear gassing someone in extreme cases, but this is just disgusting. Was the gas used after the curfew? The law is that you are not to be outside protesting after the curfew. They are breaking the law and should be arrested. And what's with the "us vs. them" attitude about the police? You know, the GOOD GUYS who serve and protect. You know after a 9/11 incident everyone LOVES the police. But then this happens and the police are the devil. Do you agree with every law? And I don't see how you can say people being forced to stay in their homes and not being able to go out is a good law. That's some martial law bullcrap. If the police as a whole were the good guys then you wouldn't have countless tragedies like this. The police do not have to protect the people. The Supreme Court has ruled as such. Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone As an institution, the police have a terrible history of oppression. The people are supposed to forget or ignore that? Especially when it's still going on? Just look at the 60s and police brutality against Civil Rights protesters. I would hope you wouldn't defend the officers' actions. |
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Post by Mox on Aug 18, 2014 2:31:08 GMT -5
The Governor has ordered the National Guard in now to restore order. Because people can't act right.
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Post by slappy on Aug 18, 2014 2:33:52 GMT -5
The Governor has ordered the National Guard in now to restore order. Because people can't act right. Yeah, it's the people's fault. How dare they react badly to an unarmed teenager being gunned down by the people that claim to protect them. Let's hope the Missouri National Guard doesn't take their cues from Ohio's. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 18, 2014 2:34:45 GMT -5
Im not quite sure who they are...but a civil situation in the United States...I cant see them having any stroke in the say so at all. It will all come down to the Furgeson/FBI investigation that matters. They're a major human rights group. They've gone in and helped out/intervened in serious human rights situations in Africa, the Middle East, and various other regions across the globe. For them to actually say that there's a major human rights violation in the United States means that something is severely ed up, and probably would have the biggest effect doing so aside from the United Nations. Cause for real, the sh*t that's going down is 100% ed up. Officers have tear gassed innocent women and children. To save some businesses stock from a small amount of looters? Interesting, I dont know much about them but Ill look into it. Still, in the grand scheme of things I still think they're a small turd in a large pile of crap. Africa & the Middle East have very little guidance & control unlike the United States. IMO, it will all still come down to what the FBI or whatever gov't agency that's running the ship, says. |
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Post by Word™ on Aug 18, 2014 2:51:33 GMT -5
The Governor has ordered the National Guard in now to restore order. Because people can't act right. Yeah, it's the people's fault. How dare they react badly to an unarmed teenager being gunned down by the people that claim to protect them. I don't remember the National Guard having to come in and restore order to Dade Co. after Trayvon Martin was gunned down.. He wasn't shot by a cop, but he was shot down by someone in an organization supported by police.. I'm not on either side of this debate.. But my point is this is far from 'people vs. police'.. This is color vs. color. |
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Post by slappy on Aug 18, 2014 3:04:34 GMT -5
Yeah, it's the people's fault. How dare they react badly to an unarmed teenager being gunned down by the people that claim to protect them. I don't remember the National Guard having to come in and restore order to Dade Co. after Trayvon Martin was gunned down.. He wasn't shot by a cop, but he was shot down by someone in an organization supported by police.. I'm not on either side of this debate.. But my point is this is far from 'people vs. police'.. This is color vs. color. Communities react differently to things. It is race vs race but it's also people vs police or more accurately, powerless vs powerful. Ferguson is mainly non-white but their police force is almost entirely white. |
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Aug 18, 2014 5:16:49 GMT -5
These people don't care about Mike Brown, they're simply taking advantage of an opportunity to get free TVs and other goods.
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Post by Mox on Aug 18, 2014 5:33:45 GMT -5
These people don't care about Mike Brown, they're simply taking advantage of an opportunity to get free TVs and other goods. Some, maybe. But most are just misguided. Many have been taught that they're being held down. They may view themselves as victims of discrimination - many their entire lives. And they're angry. Really angry. And a situation like this is just a catalyst. There is nothing rational about protesting an entire police force for the actions of one officer. Why don't we protest in the streets every time someone is killed? Because this incident has given people a reason to express the anger they feel over their perceived oppression. Some of these protests are hate based. But I don't think many of the protesters realize it. They're looking for action, but what are they asking for? What would satisfy them? Because any amount of justice in this case is not going to cure them of their deeper anger. |
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Aug 18, 2014 5:57:47 GMT -5
These people don't care about Mike Brown, they're simply taking advantage of an opportunity to get free TVs and other goods. Some, maybe. But most are just misguided. Many have been taught that they're being held down. They may view themselves as victims of discrimination - many their entire lives. And they're angry. Really angry. And a situation like this is just a catalyst. There is nothing rational about protesting an entire police force for the actions of one officer. Why don't we protest in the streets every time someone is killed? Because this incident has given people a reason to express the anger they feel over their perceived oppression. These protests are hate based. But I don't think many of the protesters realize it. They're looking for action, but what are they asking for? What would satisfy them? Because any amount of justice in this case is not going to cure them of their deeper anger. Your post makes plenty of sense and I agree on some points, but reality is the "misguided" excuse gets thrown around a little too loosely these days. What ever happened to "common sense"? Oh they probably don't have it, because criminals commit without the worry of consequences. The children I can't condemn, but the adults should know better and are the majority committing these crimes. |
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