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Post by SteveHulk on Sept 18, 2014 8:17:59 GMT -5
I really hope it's a NO vote... I'll admit I don't know all the politics/pros and cons about it, but we're all part of the same island... it seems silly to be totally separate countries. It would be weird - what would we call ourselves? The Fractured Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland? Not to mention little things like cheering Andy Murray on at Wimbledon; how it would affect the Union Jack... and the fact that we'd have a non-British Doctor Who!! I mean, if that's not enough to vote NO, I don't know what is...  |
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Post by Scott! on Sept 18, 2014 8:48:11 GMT -5
I'm voting No, I just can't see this being anything other than an utter calamity if voted Yes. Honestly, I don't know politics and I'm not that into it, but I think Salmond talks crapand I don't want anything to do with him.
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Post by PudgieTheSheep on Sept 18, 2014 10:00:28 GMT -5
I really hope it's a NO vote... I'll admit I don't know all the politics/pros and cons about it, but we're all part of the same island... it seems silly to be totally separate countries. It would be weird - what would we call ourselves? The Fractured Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland? Not to mention little things like cheering Andy Murray on at Wimbledon; how it would affect the Union Jack... and the fact that we'd have a non-British Doctor Who!! I mean, if that's not enough to vote NO, I don't know what is... Eugh! Horrible thing. Hijacked by the neanderthals as a show of pride, when more often than not it's a sign of hate. And hopefully it would be an end to the rugs/cushions/canvasses... Horrible! And you can still cheer on Murray, it's just he'll be Scottish even if he wins I'm voting No, I just can't see this being anything other than an utter calamity if voted Yes. Honestly, I don't know politics and I'm not that into it, but I think Salmond talks crap and I don't want anything to do with him. Thankfully Salmond won't have anything to do with Scottish politics after a Yes vote. I really can't see why he'd want to continue and not go out at the top having done the unthinkable. Even if he was to carry on, I can relate a lot more to Salmond than to than Clegg, Cameron and Miliband. We'll get a piddly amount of powers if it's a no and nothing will change up here. I'd love to see the darker areas of Glasgow, Dundee, Edinburgh and Aberdeen getting a bit more attention from the highest power in our land when we haven't got a hope in hell of getting these places discussed in Westminster. That alone is surely worth the Yes vote? No? |
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Post by AV1 on Sept 18, 2014 10:57:07 GMT -5
Just back from voting. Felt good to put the X in the yes box.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Sept 18, 2014 11:59:30 GMT -5
Voted no.
I have no problem with yes voters, but they seem to have a huge problem with no voters, strange.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 18, 2014 12:16:44 GMT -5
Voted no. I have no problem with yes voters, but they seem to have a huge problem with no voters, strange. Yes voters in this poll are probably the most aggressive group of people I've ever seen. |
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Sept 18, 2014 12:29:31 GMT -5
Voted no. I have no problem with yes voters, but they seem to have a huge problem with no voters, strange. Yes voters in this poll are probably the most aggressive group of people I've ever seen. Have to agree. No disrespect to anyone on here voting yes, but if it's a no vote I can see riots happening, whereas if it's a yes vote, there won't be. |
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Post by PudgieTheSheep on Sept 18, 2014 13:07:34 GMT -5
I think that's because the fight is there for the yes voters. No voters already have what they want, as no seemed to be the winning side for the majority of the campaign. Add that to the fact that the no's don't have very many good points to shout about |
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 18, 2014 15:33:01 GMT -5
I think that's because the fight is there for the yes voters. No voters already have what they want, as no seemed to be the winning side for the majority of the campaign. Add that to the fact that the no's don't have very many good points to shout about Pretty much. Again, as an American outside observer, a yes vote is really something landmark...it's been over 300 years Scotland's been under English rule. A no vote is just asking to keep things as they are...you're right, not much to fight about there. |
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 18, 2014 16:45:59 GMT -5
I think that's because the fight is there for the yes voters. No voters already have what they want, as no seemed to be the winning side for the majority of the campaign. Add that to the fact that the no's don't have very many good points to shout about Pretty much. Again, as an American outside observer, a yes vote is really something landmark...it's been over 300 years Scotland's been under English rule. A no vote is just asking to keep things as they are...you're right, not much to fight about there. 'English rule' - you make it sound as if we oppress them and don't let them have any say in anything. Looks like its a no  54%-46%. |
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Sept 18, 2014 18:08:30 GMT -5
Damn Scots. They ruined Scotland!
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Sept 18, 2014 23:29:12 GMT -5
Looks to be all but certain a NO vote.
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 18, 2014 23:58:13 GMT -5
Pretty much. Again, as an American outside observer, a yes vote is really something landmark...it's been over 300 years Scotland's been under English rule. A no vote is just asking to keep things as they are...you're right, not much to fight about there. 'English rule' - you make it sound as if we oppress them and don't let them have any say in anything. Looks like its a no 54%-46%. Do they have the same autonomy as Canada? A country that, while not a part of the UK, still fully recognizes the Queen as the Head of State but has 150% it's own everything? At the very least give Scotland something similar to that. This vote showed that it's a VERY SLIM majority that wants to stay. This battle is far from over I think. Disappointed in the result. I knew they weren't quite ready to be on their own...but I worry now if they ever will be given the opportunity again or if the English will try to quelch it down the road. If you get that many people wanting to be on their own, their wishes should be respected...or at the very least give them so many concessions you can't remember what you started with. I really don't believe Cameron when he says he's going to give Scotland more freedoms. If he doesn't give anything, or worse starts political retribution (let's face it...every country does it to a losing party England is not immune) against Yes leaders...this could get very ugly over there. I look at Quebec who tried to get independence a while back. They failed by a slim margin and were dead set on trying again but Canada moved all of its immigrants in and pays them to this day to stay there so that if Quebec tries to vote again, the immigrants will vote no so they can continue collecting the government checks every year to essentially prevent Quebec from leaving Canada. I worry England proper will do something similar to that. A very underhanded move by the Canadians...not sure if England could get away with that or not though. |
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Sept 19, 2014 0:37:06 GMT -5
Pretty much. Again, as an American outside observer, a yes vote is really something landmark...it's been over 300 years Scotland's been under English rule. A no vote is just asking to keep things as they are...you're right, not much to fight about there. 'English rule' - you make it sound as if we oppress them and don't let them have any say in anything. Looks like its a no 54%-46%. I mean...basically yes it's that to a degree. If a country on majority has called to remove nuclear weapons from it, it's "parent" country may oblige in time. I understand the huge cost involved in moving them (I live in a US state with nukes), but in this day and age I would say it's a reasonable request. Or there's these gems: Literally just laughs and talks down to representatives of another country essentially. There's pretty clear examples in recent history of England sh*tting on Scotland because they had the numbers in Parliament to do so. I think if they don't want the UK to break apart, they should address issues like this. You may not see it as England "not letting them have a say", but from an outsiders view I see it as Scotland (also Wales and N.Ire) get a "say" but at the end of the day, majority rules and England has the majority. I think the no vote will get the English politicians to start seeing this as an issue that won't end and start maybe giving more to the other countries that make up the area they want to hold onto so closely. |
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Sept 19, 2014 1:34:27 GMT -5
Well there we have it. Best of luck Lads from here on out. May the choice be the best outcome. UK.
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Post by kev85hasbro on Sept 19, 2014 1:39:18 GMT -5
As bobby Heenan said in royal rumble 92...
"It's a kilt, it's not a skirt"
Scotland say NO
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Post by SteveHulk on Sept 19, 2014 2:55:50 GMT -5
The UNITED Kingdom. Disappointed in the result. I knew they weren't quite ready to be on their own...but I worry now if they ever will be given the opportunity again or if the English will try to quelch it down the road. ...why would the English try to quelch it? If anything, it all seems a bit unfair to England and the rest of the UK that they didn't (couldn't) have a say in things... Scotland could decide whether they wanted to stay in the UK - yet the rest of the UK weren't allowed to say whether they actually still wanted them to be a part of it. If a country possibly wants to leave the UK, shouldn't the whole of the UK have a say? (I think it would have been a "stay" vote anyway, but that's besides the point). A "stay in the UK" vote by BOTH sides would have been great in uniting the country too. |
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Post by Markw on Sept 19, 2014 3:24:10 GMT -5
Disappointed in the result. I knew they weren't quite ready to be on their own...but I worry now if they ever will be given the opportunity again or if the English will try to quelch it down the road. If you get that many people wanting to be on their own, their wishes should be respected... Their wishes were respected, they got the democratic vote they wanted and they lost fair and square. I really don't see how you, someone who has very little personal involvement in this issue, can be disappointed with the result. You were saying before the vote that the people of Scotland should decide (as did I) and they have. Slim majority or not (and it's not that slim at all). Hooray for Democracy. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 19, 2014 3:57:24 GMT -5
Disappointed in the result. I knew they weren't quite ready to be on their own...but I worry now if they ever will be given the opportunity again or if the English will try to quelch it down the road. If you get that many people wanting to be on their own, their wishes should be respected... Their wishes were respected, they got the democratic vote they wanted and they lost fair and square. I really don't see how you, someone who has very little personal investment in this issue, can be disappointed with the result. You were saying before the vote that the people of Scotland should decide (as did I) and they have. Slim majority or not (and it's not that slim at all). Hooray for Democracy. Doesn't mean the Scots shouldn't be given basic autonomy regardless. Yes democracy won out, doesn't mean they still shouldn't get some concessions. Having 46% of a population royally pissed off isn't gonna help matters, anyone can tell you that. Cameron better keep his word with what he promised with a no vote. I have enough personal involvement to care that if people want freedom they should be allowed to have it. Democracy won out, but this wasn't simply a vote to decide who's going to run a country. If it was deciding who is in charge, Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Labor, well...I've lived under Presidents that I loved and that I hated. But I always lived in a country that was its own, and if we're in the losing party for leader then we just suck it up for four years. But this wasn't simply a vote for a leader or something of the sort. It was to determine if Scotland could even be a country. And here you had 46% of Scotland saying they want nothing to do with England. That's bad. That's REALLY bad. If you had an election and 46% voted against the Conservatives, no biggie. If you had a vote asking if they wanted the UK to remain entirely intact and 46% said no...problem. The latter is what England's going to have to deal with. The ramifications could be just as bad due to the no as they may have been with a yes. This isn't the Yank in me talking either, it's the political activist of a plethora of causes within my country, and elsewhere. You'd be surprised Mark.  |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 19, 2014 4:06:16 GMT -5
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