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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 3:21:52 GMT -5
No Tyler breeze no interest Why would you want that future jobber involved with these people with actual potential? Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Sept 19, 2014 11:10:14 GMT -5
Why would you want that future jobber involved with these people with actual potential? Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster I'd go as far as saying that he's just as good as anyone in that group. Dude really cemented himself with his match against Zayn and the 4-way. He might not be nearly as well traveled as the rest of the guys, but Lance Storm definitely taught him right.
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Post by The Yes Man on Sept 19, 2014 11:59:06 GMT -5
Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster I'd go as far as saying that he's just as good as anyone in that group. Dude really cemented himself with his match against Zayn and the 4-way. He might not be nearly as well traveled as the rest of the guys, but Lance Storm definitely taught him right. I wouldn't say he is AS good, but with a few more years of seasoning he could be.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 19, 2014 13:00:37 GMT -5
Why would you want that future jobber involved with these people with actual potential? Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster False. With his current gimmick he will the the 2014/2015 Fandango. Maybe get over for a little bit but then eventually be used as a jobber and/or disappear from TV all together. If he wants a future he should be begging to get a new gimmick. Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster I'd go as far as saying that he's just as good as anyone in that group. Dude really cemented himself with his match against Zayn and the 4-way. He might not be nearly as well traveled as the rest of the guys, but Lance Storm definitely taught him right. He's not though, he is good but these 5 are pretty elite when it comes to wrestling. I like his finisher though.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 19, 2014 22:01:06 GMT -5
I'd go as far as saying that he's just as good as anyone in that group. Dude really cemented himself with his match against Zayn and the 4-way. He might not be nearly as well traveled as the rest of the guys, but Lance Storm definitely taught him right. Some people will always hate him because he doesn't have a dull SERIOUS WRESTLER gimmick.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 20, 2014 1:32:33 GMT -5
I'd go as far as saying that he's just as good as anyone in that group. Dude really cemented himself with his match against Zayn and the 4-way. He might not be nearly as well traveled as the rest of the guys, but Lance Storm definitely taught him right. Some people will always hate him because he doesn't have a dull SERIOUS WRESTLER gimmick. Because non serious wrestlers have been so successful in the last few years...they get debuted with a little bit of mic time then nothing and just matches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 1:34:26 GMT -5
Some people will always hate him because he doesn't have a dull SERIOUS WRESTLER gimmick. Because non serious wrestlers have been so successful in the last few years...they get debuted with a little bit of mic time then nothing and just matches. Santinos been around for 7 years and has tons of action figures, been in many video games, and is decently well known. That's successful in my eyes.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 20, 2014 1:53:55 GMT -5
Because non serious wrestlers have been so successful in the last few years...they get debuted with a little bit of mic time then nothing and just matches. Santinos been around for 7 years and has tons of action figures, been in many video games, and is decently well known. That's successful in my eyes. You and I have different perceptions of success then. I want world titles and solid legacies. If a guy I like doesn't get that then his career was a failure. Less so in other times, because mid card actually meant something but now, world champ or bust.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 20, 2014 5:59:35 GMT -5
Do we know if any of these guys have experience in booking?
It would be really interesting to see them book a show one week.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 20, 2014 6:07:14 GMT -5
I enjoyed that a lot.
I hope Zayne isn't mouthing off too much about how much better he is than everyone else though. He came across here as a Joseph-and-His-Technicolour-Dream-Coat kind of presence behind the scenes. You know, in the sense that, Joseph comes out and tells his eleven brothers that God told him they'd all bow down to him and that he was the special one out of his brothers... and then got sold by them and ended up in a dungeon (before becoming like... prime minister of Egypt later one but whatever).
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 20, 2014 6:09:23 GMT -5
Why would you want that future jobber involved with these people with actual potential? Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster What separates Breeze from people like John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler, Shelton Benjamin and other athletic guys who got lost in the shuffle? Do you really think he's got potential longevity?
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 20, 2014 8:04:03 GMT -5
Santinos been around for 7 years and has tons of action figures, been in many video games, and is decently well known. That's successful in my eyes. You and I have different perceptions of success then. I want world titles and solid legacies. If a guy I like doesn't get that then his career was a failure. Less so in other times, because mid card actually meant something but now, world champ or bust. You know who started their singles career with a gimmick similar to Breeze's? Shawn Michaels. Now what's that you were saying about legacies?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 20, 2014 8:33:54 GMT -5
Santinos been around for 7 years and has tons of action figures, been in many video games, and is decently well known. That's successful in my eyes. You and I have different perceptions of success then. I want world titles and solid legacies. If a guy I like doesn't get that then his career was a failure. Less so in other times, because mid card actually meant something but now, world champ or bust. Different people have different ideas of success. It depends on the person. I don't think, for every person I like it should be "World Title or bust". Take someone like Dolph Ziggler, people got all upset that he didn't get to stay in the main event scene, but he's had a pretty successful run. Even if the Intercontinental Title means next to nothing now, he's had a solid career. Not everyone is going to be World Champion and I'm okay with that.
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Sept 20, 2014 11:03:37 GMT -5
I enjoyed that a lot. I hope Zayne isn't mouthing off too much about how much better he is than everyone else though. He came across here as a Joseph-and-His-Technicolour-Dream-Coat kind of presence behind the scenes. You know, in the sense that, Joseph comes out and tells his eleven brothers that God told him they'd all bow down to him and that he was the special one out of his brothers... and then got sold by them and ended up in a dungeon (before becoming like... prime minister of Egypt later one but whatever). Apparently Rollins was the same way based on what he said in the Shield documentary on the Network. He got very frustrated that he was down in NXT for as long as he was and they had to have some talks with him and put him in his place. I don't see Sami going about things in that type of manner though. He seems like he wants to make things better for everyone and not just himself. Rollins wasn't about everyone, just himself and when HE was going to get called up.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 20, 2014 12:39:53 GMT -5
Steen and Zayne may be good but they don't have the look of a champion which Breeze has and breeze will be far from.a jobber when he's on the main roster What separates Breeze from people like John Morrison, Dolph Ziggler, Shelton Benjamin and other athletic guys who got lost in the shuffle? Do you really think he's got potential longevity? Exactly, he'll do good for a few weeks and then Vince will get bored with him and he'll either go to NXT or end up never on TV. It happens to almost every call up. You and I have different perceptions of success then. I want world titles and solid legacies. If a guy I like doesn't get that then his career was a failure. Less so in other times, because mid card actually meant something but now, world champ or bust. You know who started their singles career with a gimmick similar to Breeze's? Shawn Michaels. Now what's that you were saying about legacies? He also debuted in 1988, and in a tag team. What comedy characters have done anything recently? You and I have different perceptions of success then. I want world titles and solid legacies. If a guy I like doesn't get that then his career was a failure. Less so in other times, because mid card actually meant something but now, world champ or bust. Different people have different ideas of success. It depends on the person. I don't think, for every person I like it should be "World Title or bust". Take someone like Dolph Ziggler, people got all upset that he didn't get to stay in the main event scene, but he's had a pretty successful run. Even if the Intercontinental Title means next to nothing now, he's had a solid career. Not everyone is going to be World Champion and I'm okay with that. I'm not saying other people have to feel that way, that's just how I feel. I feel the people I like deserve nothing less. He's had a solid career because he is a world champion in my eyes, something most of my favorites have never/will never get to hold in their careers. I just think that if Swagger and several others can get a world title then they could actually put the title on people who can talk/entertain better.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 20, 2014 14:08:05 GMT -5
You know who started their singles career with a gimmick similar to Breeze's? Shawn Michaels. Now what's that you were saying about legacies? He also debuted in 1988, and in a tag team. What comedy characters have done anything recently? Narcissists, arrogant and pretty boys aren't comedy characters though. It's like a trademark heel persona and has proven time and time again when given to the right people, it can be played to great effect
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Post by rustyy on Sept 20, 2014 14:15:59 GMT -5
He also debuted in 1988, and in a tag team. What comedy characters have done anything recently? Narcissists, arrogant and pretty boys aren't comedy characters though. It's like a trademark heel persona and has proven time and time again when given to the right people, it can be played to great effect But it's over done, it's not going to get over. maybe he'lol prove me wrong but I highly doubt it.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 20, 2014 14:16:22 GMT -5
He also debuted in 1988, and in a tag team. What comedy characters have done anything recently? Narcissists, arrogant and pretty boys aren't comedy characters though. It's like a trademark heel persona and has proven time and time again when given to the right people, it can be played to great effect But it's over done, it's not going to get over. maybe he'lol prove me wrong but I highly doubt it. Plus I think he has a mid card ceiling no matter what. Sorry for the double post. Can't delete on mobile
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 20, 2014 14:21:10 GMT -5
Narcissists, arrogant and pretty boys aren't comedy characters though. It's like a trademark heel persona and has proven time and time again when given to the right people, it can be played to great effect But it's over done, it's not going to get over. maybe he'lol prove me wrong but I highly doubt it. Plus I think he has a mid card ceiling no matter what. Sorry for the double post. Can't delete on mobile See I think you can't shoot him dead in the water. The NXT crowd responds to him. This might actually be an instance where the gimmick will work better in front of bigger crowds than the smaller NXT crowds. Out of all of the people tearing up NXT I actually think Breeze is the most likely to succeed. Based on look, in ring talent and gimmick alone. But it's pure speculation really, I just disagree with you. Haha. If Punk and Bryan are any indication of anything it's that you never ever count out any body from rising to the top. If the fans are willing to be loud enough and stay loud enough in support of you, sky is the limit.
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