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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 26, 2014 9:59:06 GMT -5
Question: Was watching some vids online where WWE and YouTube channels constantly blast the booking of WCW. Particularly, they make fun of the Judy Bagwell stipulations where if Kanyon won over Buff, Judy would be Kanyon's Kimberly.
Yet, years later, Scott Steiner and Test have a fight over the rights for Stacy, where they both end up making her their personal hoochie. Years prior, Pillman and Goldust fought over the ability to get with Marlena/Terri.
Apparently, WWE never fails and WCW always did.
Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW.
WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = Gold WCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air?
WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = Winning WCW Oklahoma = Embarassing
WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting Edge WCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber?
WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an Emmy WCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate.
WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = Genius WCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head.
WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge.
I know history is written by the winner, but seriously, how can WCW ruin everything that WWE already ruined?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 26, 2014 10:06:32 GMT -5
Question: Was watching some vids online where WWE and YouTube channels constantly blast the booking of WCW. Particularly, they make fun of the Judy Bagwell stipulations where if Kanyon won over Buff, Judy would be Kanyon's Kimberly. Yet, years later, Scott Steiner and Test have a fight over the rights for Stacy, where they both end up making her their personal hoochie. Years prior, Pillman and Goldust fought over the ability to get with Marlena/Terri. Apparently, WWE never fails and WCW always did. Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW. WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = Gold WCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air? WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = Winning WCW Oklahoma = Embarassing WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting Edge WCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber? WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an Emmy WCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate. WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = Genius WCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head. WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge. I know history is written by the winner, but seriously, how can WCW ruin everything that WWE already ruined? WCW gets a TON of hate, but it's not like people consider WWE to do everything right. Katie Vick was considered awful by everyone. Nobody likes that angle. Fake Razor and Diesel was also a stupid idea and everyone acknowledges that. Both of those don't make the WCW dumber, both companies just did dumb things. Nacho Man and Huckster were dumb, but Oklahoma was way worse. The dude won the Cruiserweight Title. The Mae Young angle was awful and the Choppy Choppy was bad too, just as bad as a Viagra on a Pole match. The last two are the ones I have issues with. WWE brought in models to wrestle...in a wrestling company. While some of them didn't improve much, someone like Trish went on to be amazing. Nitro Girls were literally cheerleaders for wrestling. Viscera as the Love Machine wasn't great, but it was a funny little character for him. Mike Awesome had potential to be a big deal in WCW and was saddled with a stupid gimmick. Stupid gimmicks are alright for a guy like Vis, not for someone who could've been a major player.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 10:48:50 GMT -5
Question: Was watching some vids online where WWE and YouTube channels constantly blast the booking of WCW. Particularly, they make fun of the Judy Bagwell stipulations where if Kanyon won over Buff, Judy would be Kanyon's Kimberly. Yet, years later, Scott Steiner and Test have a fight over the rights for Stacy, where they both end up making her their personal hoochie. Years prior, Pillman and Goldust fought over the ability to get with Marlena/Terri. Apparently, WWE never fails and WCW always did. Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW. WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = Gold WCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air? WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = Winning WCW Oklahoma = Embarassing WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting Edge WCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber? WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an Emmy WCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate. WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = Genius WCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head. WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge. I know history is written by the winner, but seriously, how can WCW ruin everything that WWE already ruined? WCW gets a TON of hate, but it's not like people consider WWE to do everything right. Katie Vick was considered awful by everyone. Nobody likes that angle. Fake Razor and Diesel was also a stupid idea and everyone acknowledges that. Both of those don't make the WCW dumber, both companies just did dumb things. Nacho Man and Huckster were dumb, but Oklahoma was way worse. The dude won the Cruiserweight Title. The Mae Young angle was awful and the Choppy Choppy was bad too, just as bad as a Viagra on a Pole match. The last two are the ones I have issues with. WWE brought in models to wrestle...in a wrestling company. While some of them didn't improve much, someone like Trish went on to be amazing. Nitro Girls were literally cheerleaders for wrestling. Viscera as the Love Machine wasn't great, but it was a funny little character for him. Mike Awesome had potential to be a big deal in WCW and was saddled with a stupid gimmick. Stupid gimmicks are alright for a guy like Vis, not for someone who could've been a major player. 2nd time in a week to say this about a post Kev made.....You wont get a better answer than this. I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 11:17:49 GMT -5
Part of it, at least to me, is that we get that revisionist history, WWE and books like the Death of WCW tell this story that WCW was really bad and they had like one brief shining moment with the NWO during it's initial stages. But they downplay everything else and say that it was nothing but bad booking, poor characters, signing old WWF guys, and the like. WCW had a lot of great stuff that no one talks about, I'm not trying to say that it's all roses and sunshine, I think sadly, the bad outweighs the good. But if you actually took a look at WCW grand scale, you' see just how good it was at certain points. Even during the dying days, they had some good stuff here and there. IT's like the WWE telling you now with the Monday Night Wars show and dvd releases that the Attitude Era was this awesome time frame for wrestling and that they were hitting home runs left and right, but you watch it now and you realize it was riddled with bad booking, lame gimmicks, wasted talent, etc, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 12:27:20 GMT -5
I think the issue with WCW was more based around the fact their storylines almost never made sense. Ever.
WWE has made giant mistakes but (for the most part) their storylines have a beginning, middle and end.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 26, 2014 13:00:08 GMT -5
I think the issue with WCW was more based around the fact their storylines almost never made sense. Ever. WWE has made giant mistakes but (for the most part) their storylines have a beginning, middle and end. Holy!! Bashcrash, I thought you were dead?!?! I haven't seen you post on here in ever!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 13:01:26 GMT -5
I think the issue with WCW was more based around the fact their storylines almost never made sense. Ever. WWE has made giant mistakes but (for the most part) their storylines have a beginning, middle and end. Holy!! Bashcrash, I thought you were dead?!?! I haven't seen you post on here in ever! I took a 4 week sabbatical to heal...to heal!
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Post by marino13 on Sept 26, 2014 13:03:10 GMT -5
Perhaps you need to spend more time here if you think everyone is super positive about everything WWE does. Cause I've never once seen anyone praise the bolded.... Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW. WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = GoldWCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air? WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = WinningWCW Oklahoma = Embarassing WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting EdgeWCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber? WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an EmmyWCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate. WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = GeniusWCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head. WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Sept 26, 2014 14:29:54 GMT -5
Perhaps you need to spend more time here if you think everyone is super positive about everything WWE does. Cause I've never once seen anyone praise the bolded.... Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW. WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = GoldWCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air? WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = WinningWCW Oklahoma = Embarassing WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting EdgeWCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber? WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an EmmyWCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate. WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = GeniusWCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head. WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge.Yep, same here. Though, I dunno if I've ever seen anyone hate on the World's Largest Love Machine gimmick. Just Viscera in general.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 26, 2014 14:58:06 GMT -5
Question: Was watching some vids online where WWE and YouTube channels constantly blast the booking of WCW. Particularly, they make fun of the Judy Bagwell stipulations where if Kanyon won over Buff, Judy would be Kanyon's Kimberly. Yet, years later, Scott Steiner and Test have a fight over the rights for Stacy, where they both end up making her their personal hoochie. Years prior, Pillman and Goldust fought over the ability to get with Marlena/Terri. Apparently, WWE never fails and WCW always did. Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW. WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = Gold WCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air? WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = Winning WCW Oklahoma = Embarassing WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting Edge WCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber? WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an Emmy WCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate. WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = Genius WCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head. WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge. I know history is written by the winner, but seriously, how can WCW ruin everything that WWE already ruined? WCW gets a TON of hate, but it's not like people consider WWE to do everything right. Katie Vick was considered awful by everyone. Nobody likes that angle. Fake Razor and Diesel was also a stupid idea and everyone acknowledges that. Both of those don't make the WCW dumber, both companies just did dumb things. Nacho Man and Huckster were dumb, but Oklahoma was way worse. The dude won the Cruiserweight Title. The Mae Young angle was awful and the Choppy Choppy was bad too, just as bad as a Viagra on a Pole match. The last two are the ones I have issues with. WWE brought in models to wrestle...in a wrestling company. While some of them didn't improve much, someone like Trish went on to be amazing. Nitro Girls were literally cheerleaders for wrestling. Viscera as the Love Machine wasn't great, but it was a funny little character for him. Mike Awesome had potential to be a big deal in WCW and was saddled with a stupid gimmick. Stupid gimmicks are alright for a guy like Vis, not for someone who could've been a major player. I had a typo, but I think your point is valid about the Nitro Girls. But, Viscera was also a guy who could have been made into a big deal (see Big Daddy V, King Mabel)--especially in WWE where giants can rule the ring (e.g. Khali).
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 26, 2014 14:59:58 GMT -5
Perhaps you need to spend more time here if you think everyone is super positive about everything WWE does. Cause I've never once seen anyone praise the bolded.... Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. WCW Where's Cactus Jack = Death of WCW. WWE Fake Razor and Fake Diesel = GoldWCW Buzzkill = Why are they still on the air? WWE Nacho Man and Huckster = WinningWCW Oklahoma = Embarassing WWE Mae Young's Fist = Cutting EdgeWCW Stacy Keibler Not Pregnant = Could this be any dumber? WWE "I Choppy Choppy" = Give this show an EmmyWCW Viagra on a Poll Match"= Genital jokes? How desperate. WWE Bringing in Models to wrestle = GeniusWCW Having Nitro Girls/Professional Dancers Wrestler = Shaking My Head. WWE Fat Chick Thriller Mike Awesome = Out of touch. WCW World's Biggest Love Machine Viscera = Cutting edge.Maybe praise is sort of a strong word, but I have yet to see a YouTube Video chronicling the mistakes of WWE. It's usually WCW did this wrong, with current fans eating it up. One look at wrestlecrap shows how much WWE did wrong, but today's fans are not seeing it or into it. I guess its cool to make fun of WCW.
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Post by havoc7179 on Sept 26, 2014 15:08:42 GMT -5
Part of it, at least to me, is that we get that revisionist history, WWE and books like the Death of WCW tell this story that WCW was really bad and they had like one brief shining moment with the NWO during it's initial stages. But they downplay everything else and say that it was nothing but bad booking, poor characters, signing old WWF guys, and the like. WCW had a lot of great stuff that no one talks about, I'm not trying to say that it's all roses and sunshine, I think sadly, the bad outweighs the good. But if you actually took a look at WCW grand scale, you' see just how good it was at certain points. Even during the dying days, they had some good stuff here and there. IT's like the WWE telling you now with the Monday Night Wars show and dvd releases that the Attitude Era was this awesome time frame for wrestling and that they were hitting home runs left and right, but you watch it now and you realize it was riddled with bad booking, lame gimmicks, wasted talent, etc, etc. I agree with all of this. To the victor goes the spoils, I guess. I just can't believe how easily persuaded a lot of fans are to think that WCW just got lucky with one awesome angle (i.e., nWo) and that was that. I mean they did a lot of things that I found entertaining: 1) Flair v. Sting 2) Turning Scott Steiner into a legit maniac 3) Bringing in Stacy Keibler 4) Cruiserweights 5) Goldberg 6) Realism in Wrestling with nWo I always found that WWE may have made the characters, but WCW brought the needed changes to evolve the sport. Without WCW's Cruiserweight Division, no X-Division exists, and the body builder mode would be the default look for wrestlers. Guys like Regal, Malenko, Canadian Crossfacer, Byran, Punk, Styles, Daniels don't exist. Without nWo, everybody is still working part time jobs as a drug dealer, truck driver, clown, plumber. The nWo angle allowed wrestlers to be "themselves" and not have to be a barber, butcher, zodiac. Arguably WCW only created 3 singles stars in their dying days: Goldberg, DDP, and Scott Steiner. WWE however created Cena, Angle, Canadian Crossfacer, Eddie Guerrero, Orton, etc. WCW couldn't make stars, but could reinvent the sport. WWE was reactive. WCW adaptive. WCW took risks, whereas WWE only changed because it had to to sustain itself. WCW didn't have the mainstream appeal to make names, which is why it relied heavily on cross promotions. WWE could do it because of their name alone.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 26, 2014 16:17:26 GMT -5
The funny thing today is that the wwe is doing the same things wcw did that led to its downfall. The wwe has pushed the same top guys for the last 5-10 years like wcw did. The wwe neglects the miscard like wcw did. The wwe tosses the titles around like wcw did. The only difference is that the wwe is the only game in town. Wcw made a lot of these mistakes when Vince was at his absolute creative best. Wcw made them during a time they couldn't, and the wwe has no threat so they can pull this crap.
Both wcw and the wwf/e made decisions that turned out to be big blunders. Wcw specifically had some good ideas, but for every good one they also produced 10 bad ones. The wwe has never let that many bad ideas out like wcw did but the wwe has had some big blunders.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 3:33:01 GMT -5
WCW gets a TON of hate, but it's not like people consider WWE to do everything right. Katie Vick was considered awful by everyone. Nobody likes that angle. Fake Razor and Diesel was also a stupid idea and everyone acknowledges that. Both of those don't make the WCW dumber, both companies just did dumb things. Nacho Man and Huckster were dumb, but Oklahoma was way worse. The dude won the Cruiserweight Title. The Mae Young angle was awful and the Choppy Choppy was bad too, just as bad as a Viagra on a Pole match. The last two are the ones I have issues with. WWE brought in models to wrestle...in a wrestling company. While some of them didn't improve much, someone like Trish went on to be amazing. Nitro Girls were literally cheerleaders for wrestling. Viscera as the Love Machine wasn't great, but it was a funny little character for him. Mike Awesome had potential to be a big deal in WCW and was saddled with a stupid gimmick. Stupid gimmicks are alright for a guy like Vis, not for someone who could've been a major player. I had a typo, but I think your point is valid about the Nitro Girls. But, Viscera was also a guy who could have been made into a big deal (see Big Daddy V, King Mabel)--especially in WWE where giants can rule the ring (e.g. Khali). Viscera had his chance in 1995 man......but as King Mabel he hurt Undertaker & Diesel & had tremendous heat backstage for his carelessness in the ring. Several wrestlers threatened him in fact.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 27, 2014 7:48:23 GMT -5
I had a typo, but I think your point is valid about the Nitro Girls. But, Viscera was also a guy who could have been made into a big deal (see Big Daddy V, King Mabel)--especially in WWE where giants can rule the ring (e.g. Khali). Viscera had his chance in 1995 man......but as King Mabel he hurt Undertaker & Diesel & had tremendous heat backstage for his carelessness in the ring. Several wrestlers threatened him in fact. Also, he was pretty terrible.
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Post by jakksking1 on Sept 27, 2014 12:08:22 GMT -5
Two major differences between BAD WWF story lines and bad WCW story lines during the War. Most of the terrible WWF angles, for the most part, still were entertaining. Mae Young giving birth to a hand was hysterical when I was a 13 year old. Awful wrestling storyline, but still funny. Same with a pornstar getting his wang chopped off by a mr Miyagi imitator. Bad WCW story lines were just bad, often times pretty offensive, and usually abandoned or changed with little or no rhyme or reason.
Second, as someone else mentioned, there were story lines behind even the smallest, worst angles in WWF. It was a linear storyline with arcs. The bad stuff in WCW made you wonder if you missed several episodes of Nitro.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 12:46:32 GMT -5
Two great posts here by Cordless and Kevstaa. Not much else really needs to be said.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 27, 2014 13:09:30 GMT -5
Question: Was watching some vids online where WWE and YouTube channels constantly blast the booking of WCW. Particularly, they make fun of the Judy Bagwell stipulations where if Kanyon won over Buff, Judy would be Kanyon's Kimberly. Yet, years later, Scott Steiner and Test have a fight over the rights for Stacy, where they both end up making her their personal hoochie. Years prior, Pillman and Goldust fought over the ability to get with Marlena/Terri. Apparently, WWE never fails and WCW always did. Examples: WWE Katie Vick = Ratings. Aaaaaand I stopped taking your post seriously right about there.
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Post by dod0411 on Sept 28, 2014 13:28:07 GMT -5
Everyone hates on wcw but I bet everyone watched
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Post by sitruC on Sept 28, 2014 17:19:16 GMT -5
Because in the end it was the nWo show, despite any good angles, they made a show about a faction.
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