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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 5:02:27 GMT -5
As a fan of both sports, the NFL is the more tactical game. I understand the strategical nature in soccer as well such as crosses and timing proper runs, but take a look at these NFL playbooks. You need to know what play to pick against a certain time of defense, then possibly make a change during mid-play to expose the defense. Same goes for defense. Routes run by wide-receivers need to be timed perfectly as well as throws. www.footballxos.com/free-football-playbooks/offense-playbooks/nfl-playbooks/
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Oct 9, 2014 11:58:39 GMT -5
As a fan of both sports, the NFL is the more tactical game. I understand the strategical nature in soccer as well such as crosses and timing proper runs, but take a look at these NFL playbooks. You need to know what play to pick against a certain time of defense, then possibly make a change during mid-play to expose the defense. Same goes for defense. Routes run by wide-receivers need to be timed perfectly as well as throws. www.footballxos.com/free-football-playbooks/offense-playbooks/nfl-playbooks/If you think that crosses and running are the extent of tactics in soccer, then I don't think you do understand it's strategical nature. It's like me saying I understand tactics in the NFL like throwing the ball and catching the ball.
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Post by Jordan on Oct 9, 2014 13:35:10 GMT -5
Nope, I'd rather watch women's football.
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Post by GBGav on Oct 9, 2014 14:18:25 GMT -5
Just watched this and it's pretty funny.
Both games are fundamentally about tactics and you need to get that right. Only someone who has followed both sports extensively can say for sure what they perceive to be the more tactical game (i.e. which one has a deeper tactical side.) And it is without a doubt American Football. In football 10 guys need to know how to react to what's going on, where to run, where to pass or shoot and so on. Keeper doesn't count 'cos he literally just has to stand there and have quick reactions. No tactics there. Just stop the ball going in the net. At any given time 8 of those 10 players aren't really doing anything but repositioning themselves 'cos the other two are passing to each other. They do need to know where to position themselves and apply pressure but that's about it if you want to simplify it. Manager shouts "Pass to Cabella", "Push up", "Nice job Obertan." It's not rocket science. FYI, Obertan doesn't really do a nice job. I just heard Pardew say it once.
Let's move on to NFL. 52 players all coming in and out of a game. A few of those don't have too much tactically to think about outside of kicking a field goal or blocking a run on special teams. But that's still at least 4 times as many personnel to configure than football. During a play the guys don't have to think too much about tactics because they've been told what play to run. But they still need to recognise what the defense are doing, look for gaps to run through and come up with an off the cuff play if it all breaks down. You've got guys upstairs analysing everything and coming up with plays, relaying them to the head coach who then discusses it with the quarterback. All in the space of about 25 seconds. If you're playing somewhere like Seattle or Kansas where it's loud as hell then you can't talk to your teammates very well. You then enter the realms of sign language, motions and silent counts. Even boards on the sidelines that are held up with god knows what plastered on them but the entire team needs to know what those boards mean and interpret it.
I love both games and at their best they're very entertaining. You get a better sense of the tactics when you play FIFA and Madden. The first is relatively simple to dive right into and play. Madden requires a learning curve because you're essentially being asked to become the offensive co-ordinator, defensive co-ordinator, head coach, quarterback, running back, wide receiver, linebacker etc all at the same time. Football is about reactions and reading the game. NFL is chess with 5 300 pound men running right at you.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Oct 9, 2014 14:58:35 GMT -5
Just watched this and it's pretty funny. Both games are fundamentally about tactics and you need to get that right. Only someone who has followed both sports extensively can say for sure what they perceive to be the more tactical game (i.e. which one has a deeper tactical side.) And it is without a doubt American Football. In football 10 guys need to know how to react to what's going on, where to run, where to pass or shoot and so on. Keeper doesn't count 'cos he literally just has to stand there and have quick reactions. No tactics there. Just stop the ball going in the net. I'm gonna stop you there because you've just shown that you're not thinking clearly. Is the GK a sweeper keeper? Does he stay on his line? Does he come to collect crosses and corners? How does he play the ball out? Long balls? Short passes? By saying that all the GK does is just stand there and stop goals, you've shown you're either being ignorant or biased. Remember, I don't think anyone in this thread has tried to claim American football isn't very tactical or that football/soccer is more tactical. It started with you saying that American football is much more tactical than football and that tactics in football aren't that important at all. That quite frankly, is bollocks. I'm not going to try and pretend I'm impartial on this subject because I clearly love football but don't like American football. But you and the Americans who have come into this thread to praise American football are trying to act like you're not biased just because you watch both sports. All three of you clearly prefer the NFL and are therefore going to favour it over football.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Oct 9, 2014 15:31:16 GMT -5
Tactics are important in both. I think the NFL is more tactical - its one of the most tactical sports there is - but that doesn't make it better. It has to be tactical so they can fill all the down time with discussion on those tactics (not that discussion is a good substitute for consistent action at all).
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Post by GBGav on Oct 9, 2014 15:32:20 GMT -5
I don't have the time or will to go into absolutely everything that every player does. Not all keepers are a Neuer type who adds something more to what a traditional keeper does. At it's basic form, goalkeeping is simply about keeping the ball out of your net at all costs. Whether that is by staying where you are or dashing out and being a bit daring. The playbook for his role would be a page or two long if you were to put in American Football terms.
And I wouldn't say I was biased because I've pointed out good and bad things about each sport. Which is more than can be said for some NFL bashers here. But heaven forfend that someone try to say some nice things about NFL 'cos he'll be asked to justify it. Also, if I had a choice between Newcastle winning the Champions League or Green Bay winning the Superbowl (if we pretend that they haven't won any already) I'll pick Newcastle every time.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Oct 9, 2014 15:37:17 GMT -5
There's a difference between saying nice things about American football, which is fine, and comparing it to football in effort to discredit the latter.
The NFL in it's basic form is men throwing a ball, running and catching it past a certain mark on the field. But it's not as simple as that is it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 12:14:54 GMT -5
No way, I hate Football or the NFL.
The most boring thing I have ever watched.
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