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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 18:54:25 GMT -5
Yes Ryback should have won the Rumble and destroyed(the by then unstoppable)Show in a squash. INSTANT star made.
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Post by HHH316 on Nov 3, 2014 23:08:05 GMT -5
There has been nothing worse than the ADR/Santino finish from 2011. If you would of told me those 2 guys would end one of the biggest shows of the year, I'd have died in laughter. What a joke that was.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 6:32:54 GMT -5
There has been nothing worse than the ADR/Santino finish from 2011. If you would of told me those 2 guys would end one of the biggest shows of the year, I'd have died in laughter. What a joke that was. Agreed 1 million percent. People will say "oh it was exciting and unexpected" Exciting? NO. Unexpected? YES....in the way that you wouldn't expect WWE to be so stupid. Did anybody seriously expect Santino Marella career comedy act to win the f*cking RR? NO.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 4, 2014 10:13:38 GMT -5
Rock needs to beat Punk. Punk keeping the title against Rock defeats the whole point, which was to make Cena go over Rock when no one else could. You can add Punk in, but he needs to have dropped the title first. As for Ryback winning the Rumble, him then deciding to face Show rather than Punk would have been ridiculous. By WM29 it was clear what the main title was, having Cena lose the Rumble and then Ryback conveniently going for the other belt would have been awful. They could have at least had Cena beat Ryback later on to win his WM ME spot and then Ryback could have gone after Show instead. They could have opened up with Rock pinning Punk, then #30 in the Rumble is Punk and he eliminates Cena to win the Rumble. Cena beats Punk at EC to get into the WM main event (Rock doesn't need to wrestle; if he does maybe have him face Orton or someone, I would have liked to see that; alternatively Jericho and Rock always had great chemistry and could make something out of nothing quickly at EC) and then Cena pins Rock clean at WM. Any scenario here needs Rock to be the champ going into WM and Cena pinning him clean, because that was the whole point of the story. They've done it before where someone wins the Rumble and chooses the less prestigious title, so that's not an issue. I get that Rock/Cena had that story, but it was dumb to begin with. Bill it as "Once in a Lifetime" and then TOTALLY telegraph that it's happening again? Dumb. Instead, you can have Cena overcome the two biggest obstacles that he's ever faced. The two guys he couldn't beat. I don't know, this version would've made me enjoy WrestleMania 29 a lot more. Maybe that's just me. I disagree that it isn't an issue. It would have been a horrendous cop out. To just say Ryback, who two months before had been competing for the WWE Title, would just voluntarily pick the WHC? At least in the past when people did it for the most part the brand split meant that it made at least vague sense. Here it would just have been an awful decision that would piss people off. Instead of 'here's a telegraphed story where Cena wins the Rumble then beats The Rock' it would be 'here's a telegraphed story where Cena doesn't even earn his shot against The Rock so he deserves it even less.' If you have Ryback win you have to have Cena earn his shot from Ryback somehow. To try and get us to believe that Ryback would rather face Big Show for the WHC than Rock for the WWE Title in the main event is on par with trying to get us to believe that Santino could win the Rumble. Cena can overcome that obstacle, but if Punk beats Rock (dirty or clean) it just makes Cena's victory more hollow. Punk can be in the triple threat to make the match more unique, but the story is about Cena overcoming Rock, not Punk. Making Rock lose to Punk diminishes that story massively because Punk already did it. By all means add Punk in as another thing that Cena has to overcome, but Rock is the obstacle here. Having Punk hold the title makes him the main obstacle, which is silly because Rock is obviously much bigger (both in terms of star power and kayfabe history as a wrestler winning things) and the story is focused around him. There are plenty of changes that could have been made to the story, but I just think both of those ones are terrible. Ryback winning the Rumble and Cena then getting the shot because Ryback chose not to face Rock would just be intellectually- disabled, and anyone who says it makes sense for Punk to defeat Rock before Cena in the context of the story of Cena's redemption is blinded by their love for Punk. You can have someone other than Cena win the Rumble and have Punk be in the WM main event, but steps would need to be taken to make both moves logical.
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 4, 2014 19:31:06 GMT -5
Best moments are whenever a legends makes a special appearances, especially Duggan. Worst are when a non roster wrestler is an entrant (1996 especially) and even the announcers can't put the wrestler over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 7:15:41 GMT -5
There has been nothing worse than the ADR/Santino finish from 2011. If you would of told me those 2 guys would end one of the biggest shows of the year, I'd have died in laughter. What a joke that was. Agreed 1 million percent. People will say "oh it was exciting and unexpected" Exciting? NO. Unexpected? YES....in the way that you wouldn't expect WWE to be so stupid. Did anybody seriously expect Santino Marella career comedy act to win the f*cking RR? NO. It would have been like Koko B. Ware and Saba Simba being the final 2 guys in the 92 Rumble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 7:19:36 GMT -5
Agreed 1 million percent. People will say "oh it was exciting and unexpected" Exciting? NO. Unexpected? YES....in the way that you wouldn't expect WWE to be so stupid. Did anybody seriously expect Santino Marella career comedy act to win the f*cking RR? NO. It would have been like Koko B. Ware and Saba Simba being the final 2 guys in the 92 Rumble. Yup. It was insanity.....your typical WWE apologist on here will tell you "it was at least something different".....IMO it was a farce.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:31:16 GMT -5
The Rumbles nowadays suck. And have for a decade. Predictable. Guys enter in at the same time as someone they're fueding with. Gone is the randomness of the old rumbles where guys with no ax to grind would enter and face off with someone they've never really done much battle with.
Always predictable who the final 4 or 5 will be too. Always the big namers. Different from the past. Like everything else in wrestling today, they have a different feel to them now; a "cheapness". The golden age of the Rumble was up until like 1996 or 1997. They've been subpar since then
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 15:08:30 GMT -5
Best: Scotty 2 Hotty Winning the 2004 Rumble Worst: Sheamus Winning the 2012 Rumble Jericho should've won even if he was going to face Santino Marrella in the Main Event I still would rather have that than 18 seconds lost in my life.
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Post by jordanimal on Nov 13, 2014 15:12:56 GMT -5
2001. all of it!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 16:21:51 GMT -5
DREW CAREY ELIMINATED THE HARDY'S I SAW IT!
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 14, 2014 19:32:53 GMT -5
The Rumbles nowadays suck. And have for a decade. Predictable. Guys enter in at the same time as someone they're fueding with. Gone is the randomness of the old rumbles where guys with no ax to grind would enter and face off with someone they've never really done much battle with. Always predictable who the final 4 or 5 will be too. Always the big namers. Different from the past. Like everything else in wrestling today, they have a different feel to them now; a "cheapness". The golden age of the Rumble was up until like 1996 or 1997. They've been subpar since then That's odd since, off the top of my head, 2001 and 2004 were both great Rumbles. Much better than 93-96 for sure.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 15, 2014 8:59:06 GMT -5
I once eliminated everyone with a hip toss on Sega if that counts for anything
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 9:02:12 GMT -5
The Rumbles nowadays suck. And have for a decade. Predictable. Guys enter in at the same time as someone they're fueding with. Gone is the randomness of the old rumbles where guys with no ax to grind would enter and face off with someone they've never really done much battle with. Always predictable who the final 4 or 5 will be too. Always the big namers. Different from the past. Like everything else in wrestling today, they have a different feel to them now; a "cheapness". The golden age of the Rumble was up until like 1996 or 1997. They've been subpar since then That's odd since, off the top of my head, 2001 and 2004 were both great Rumbles. Much better than 93-96 for sure. They were good yeah, but not as good as 94 or 96 rumbles.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 15, 2014 9:04:12 GMT -5
That's odd since, off the top of my head, 2001 and 2004 were both great Rumbles. Much better than 93-96 for sure. They were good yeah, but not as good as 94 or 96 rumbles. The 96 Rumble? Also known as the jobber Rumble? 94 was good, but 96 was terrible. I'd watch 2001 and 2004 over it any day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 9:10:23 GMT -5
They were good yeah, but not as good as 94 or 96 rumbles. The 96 Rumble? Also known as the jobber Rumble? 94 was good, but 96 was terrible. I'd watch 2001 and 2004 over it any day. You're getting confused with 95, I think. 96 had some great names in it; Diesel, Bulldog, Owen, Austin, Jake, Vader, Yokozuna, Shawn, Backlund, Jerry, HHH, Kid, Tatanka etc etc. 95 basically had Bulldog, Owen, Luger, Crush and Shawn. And Owen went out in about 3 seconds.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 15, 2014 9:26:28 GMT -5
The 96 Rumble? Also known as the jobber Rumble? 94 was good, but 96 was terrible. I'd watch 2001 and 2004 over it any day. You're getting confused with 95, I think. 96 had some great names in it; Diesel, Bulldog, Owen, Austin, Jake, Vader, Yokozuna, Shawn, Backlund, Jerry, HHH, Kid, Tatanka etc etc. 95 basically had Bulldog, Owen, Luger, Crush and Shawn. And Owen went out in about 3 seconds. Nah, I remember 96. I thought it was basically Shawn, Diesel, Vader, Bulldog and Owen. HHH was new but had a great showing, Backlund is lame, Yokozuna was past his peak, Tatanka sucks, Austin wasn't ready and Jake was Jake. I know it was no where near as bad as 1995. 96 wasn't anywhere near the worst, but 2001 and 2004 are two of the best Royal Rumbles ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 9:30:03 GMT -5
You're getting confused with 95, I think. 96 had some great names in it; Diesel, Bulldog, Owen, Austin, Jake, Vader, Yokozuna, Shawn, Backlund, Jerry, HHH, Kid, Tatanka etc etc. 95 basically had Bulldog, Owen, Luger, Crush and Shawn. And Owen went out in about 3 seconds. Tatanka sucks
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Post by LA Times on Nov 15, 2014 9:34:32 GMT -5
I remember really disliking the 2008 or 2009 rumble because of the random inconsistencies. Finlay getting disqualified for coming out to save Hornswoggle, and then Chavo Guerrero entering despite technically being a world champion both annoyed me. That just shows the ECW Championship isnt a World Championship. Best Royal Rumble Moments: Benoit winning in 2004 Shane Douglas lasting almost 30 min in 1991 despite being a JTTS Muhammad Hassan getting ganged up and thrown out in 2005 Warlord getting clotheslined and eliminated by Hulk Hogan in 2 seconds in 1989 Worst Royal Rumble Moments: Vince McMahon winning in 1999 Hornswoggle being in there in 2008 and not even getting officially eliminated Entire 2010 Rumble Hornswoggle and Tyson Kidd in 2011 Jerry the King, Michael Cole, Kharma, Road Dogg and Hacksaw Jim Duggan wasting 1/6th of the spots in 2012 Rey Mysterio being #30 in 2014 and getting booed when that spot shouldve been used for a heel
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