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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 12:50:57 GMT -5
The Pro-Wrestling world was taken back a bit when Spike TV decided to drop TNA’s Impact Wrestling show from their line-up. The concept seemed nuts to fans, as TNA was seemingly a proven #2 wrestling company only behind WWE. Spike TV had nothing of note to currently take the place of TNA, but it seems they felt that they could draw the same ratings with another show that TNA was bringing in for them. TNA only averaged a 1.0 cable rating. Since last year, they have had weeks with under a 1.0. TNA did not get any better in it’s move to Wednesday, as ratings were immediately lower from the start. Spike decided to be nice to TNA and let them finish out the year with them. In 2015 however, Spike and TNA end their near decade long relationship. Why did Spike want to drop TNA however? We have heard rumors that Spike felt that TNA was not growing, and that was the main reason. There was also speculation Spike was not happy about TNA continuing to lose stars. Networks are a bit skeptical about bringing TNA on, as Spike TV was ready to drop them without issue. Basically, Networks wanted to know what the catch was. TNA’s ratings, although not wonderful, were basic cable ratings for most of Spike’s shows. In fact, TNA was one of their highest rated shows. So Networks really wanted to know the negativity behind them. This is why we have not heard about any set TV contract for TNA yet. There have been rumors of potential networks, but nothing has been concrete yet. The reason Spike dropped TNA was simple in the end. The Wrestling Observer claims that Spike did not trust the leadership of TNA. They do not have confidence that TNA’s current leadership can grow the company. They could be right, as TNA has yet to actually grow despite the names they brought in. www.inquisitr.com/1529412/the-real-reason-spike-tv-is-dropping-tna-wrestling/ |
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Post by Next Man’s No 503K on Oct 9, 2014 14:32:48 GMT -5
The real reason was that wrestling ratings don't matter as much as ratings of other shows, because wrestling viewers are (seen by advertisers as) low-class scum. Wrestling programming commands smaller advertising rates than other programming with fewer viewers. Impact just wasn't a worthwhile prospect anymore. The reason WWE didn't get the raise they promised investors despite very strong ratings is that on-paper ratings for wrestling just aren't worth much.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 9, 2014 15:21:18 GMT -5
I fully understand why Spike would not trust TNA's current management. Since Jeff Jarrett left, the product has been progressively worse each year. Talent is leaving by the bus loads and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. BFG was a great concept but the execution appears to be awful. Things are not good at all. And I have no confidence in Dixie Carter. She'll try to fix this by bringing in Sandman & Raven.
As I've said before, if TNA can survive this, I'll never doubt them again.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Oct 10, 2014 21:11:51 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that this is happening now, Impact had been fantastic lately. I completely understand their decision, assuming this is true. It's been very clear from day one that Dixie Carter is a rich girl who just wants to hang out with some wrestlers.
And just for the record, TNA is #2 on America by default. New Japan it's the second biggest promotion on the planet, and they've done it while being almost completely unknown in this country. And this is coming from a huge TNA fan.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 10, 2014 21:52:09 GMT -5
Okay.. I'm in agreement with pretty much the entire reason. However..
'TNA did not get any better in it’s move to Wednesday, as ratings were immediately lower from the start. '
Because *YOU* moved them without much notice. I don't believe they had time to change the 'tune in next week!' part of the last Thursday broadcast. Spike shares responsibility in that aspect.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Oct 10, 2014 21:54:54 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that this is happening now, Impact had been fantastic lately. I completely understand their decision, assuming this is true. It's been very clear from day one that Dixie Carter is a rich girl who just wants to hang out with some wrestlers. And just for the record, TNA is #2 on America by default. New Japan it's the second biggest promotion on the planet, and they've done it while being almost completely unknown in this country. And this is coming from a huge TNA fan. I'd argue that TNA isn't even #2 in America now. ROH isn't hemorrhaging money and on their live shows regularly draw 3 to 5 times what TNA do for their live shows. Limited local syndication probably reaches more eyes than TNA with Spike, too. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 10, 2014 23:38:01 GMT -5
So its finally over with come 2015? How long until Vince can scoop the library for the Network. I wanna watch old NWA-TNA stuff
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Post by marino13 on Oct 11, 2014 8:59:06 GMT -5
Okay.. I'm in agreement with pretty much the entire reason. However.. 'TNA did not get any better in it’s move to Wednesday, as ratings were immediately lower from the start. ' Because *YOU* moved them without much notice. I don't believe they had time to change the 'tune in next week!' part of the last Thursday broadcast. Spike shares responsibility in that aspect. It's been about a month and I still keep forgetting it's on Wednesdays. I'll be watching South Park repeats and it hits me. |
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Post by Zincdust on Oct 11, 2014 9:07:14 GMT -5
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Post by deskjet on Oct 11, 2014 9:17:59 GMT -5
No one with at least half a brain should be shocked by this.  |
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Oct 11, 2014 11:52:22 GMT -5
Spike should negotiate to get Jarrett back in as the boss. Honestly.
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Post by deskjet on Oct 11, 2014 12:43:49 GMT -5
Okay.. I'm in agreement with pretty much the entire reason. However.. 'TNA did not get any better in it’s move to Wednesday, as ratings were immediately lower from the start. ' Because *YOU* moved them without much notice. I don't believe they had time to change the 'tune in next week!' part of the last Thursday broadcast. Spike shares responsibility in that aspect. Lol. Tna defender to the bitter end aren't you. I can respect that though. However, You and a host of other TNA fans that have watched this company since it's inception have watched leadership make bonehead after bonehead decisions, and "THEY" always have an excuse...Oh the fans wanted us moved back to thursdays and not go head to to head with RAW, Oh, the Fans asked for the six sided ring back so we give it to them, Oh AJ was asking for too much money, Oh shut up TNA wrestlers that have been here since the beginning, Hulk Hogan is gonna take us to the top, Oh...we dont' need Paul Heyman, Oh Vince Russo isn't booking anything.... and on and on and on! Yet, the numbers dwindled, the wrestlers left, and the ratings dropped. At some point, as a leader, you have to own up and say, I  ed up, and I have to find a way to fix it. TNA never...and I emphasize NEVER did, until it was too late, and now this is the result of their own doing and no one elses. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 11, 2014 13:49:06 GMT -5
Okay.. I'm in agreement with pretty much the entire reason. However.. 'TNA did not get any better in it’s move to Wednesday, as ratings were immediately lower from the start. ' Because *YOU* moved them without much notice. I don't believe they had time to change the 'tune in next week!' part of the last Thursday broadcast. Spike shares responsibility in that aspect. Lol. Tna defender to the bitter end aren't you. I can respect that though. However, You and a host of other TNA fans that have watched this company since it's inception have watched leadership make bonehead after bonehead decisions, and "THEY" always have an excuse...Oh the fans wanted us moved back to thursdays and not go head to to head with RAW, Oh, the Fans asked for the six sided ring back so we give it to them, Oh AJ was asking for too much money, Oh shut up TNA wrestlers that have been here since the beginning, Hulk Hogan is gonna take us to the top, Oh...we dont' need Paul Heyman, Oh Vince Russo isn't booking anything.... and on and on and on! Yet, the numbers dwindled, the wrestlers left, and the ratings dropped. At some point, as a leader, you have to own up and say, I ed up, and I have to find a way to fix it. TNA never...and I emphasize NEVER did, until it was too late, and now this is the result of their own doing and no one elses. I'm getting a really big kick out of your comment for various reasons. The first being that my comment about the move to Wednesday is 100% truth. Spike shares responsibility for moving the product - again - to a different day without giving the viewers much notice. That wasn't defending TNA because I used the word 'share' meaning that they - Spike and TNA - *share* responsibility. The second being the fact that - and there are numerous people that can attest to this - I have been critical of many (many) aspects of the company over the past six months. For crying out loud.. you're replying to a post that stats "I am an agreement with pretty much the entire reason" that INCLUDES comments of 'We have heard rumors that Spike felt that TNA was not growing, and that was the main reason.' Yeah.. good ole SodaGuy with his 'defending TNA to the bitter end' with his crapting on TNA's booking of Bound for Glory, saying he doesn't blame Austin Aries for wanting to leave before the ship finishes sinking, and agreed with Spike feeling 'that TNA was not growing'.  |
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 11, 2014 13:55:20 GMT -5
Okay.. I'm in agreement with pretty much the entire reason. However.. 'TNA did not get any better in it’s move to Wednesday, as ratings were immediately lower from the start. ' Because *YOU* moved them without much notice. I don't believe they had time to change the 'tune in next week!' part of the last Thursday broadcast. Spike shares responsibility in that aspect. It's been about a month and I still keep forgetting it's on Wednesdays. I'll be watching South Park repeats and it hits me. I understand that. My comment was more about the 'immediately lower' aspect because Spike shouldn't have been shocked. The ratings haven't came back - when they should have - so Spike has good reason behind the cancellation of TNA. |
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Post by deskjet on Oct 11, 2014 14:21:13 GMT -5
Lol. Tna defender to the bitter end aren't you. I can respect that though. However, You and a host of other TNA fans that have watched this company since it's inception have watched leadership make bonehead after bonehead decisions, and "THEY" always have an excuse...Oh the fans wanted us moved back to thursdays and not go head to to head with RAW, Oh, the Fans asked for the six sided ring back so we give it to them, Oh AJ was asking for too much money, Oh shut up TNA wrestlers that have been here since the beginning, Hulk Hogan is gonna take us to the top, Oh...we dont' need Paul Heyman, Oh Vince Russo isn't booking anything.... and on and on and on! Yet, the numbers dwindled, the wrestlers left, and the ratings dropped. At some point, as a leader, you have to own up and say, I ed up, and I have to find a way to fix it. TNA never...and I emphasize NEVER did, until it was too late, and now this is the result of their own doing and no one elses. I'm getting a really big kick out of your comment for various reasons. The first being that my comment about the move to Wednesday is 100% truth. Spike shares responsibility for moving the product - again - to a different day without giving the viewers much notice. That wasn't defending TNA because I used the word 'share' meaning that they - Spike and TNA - *share* responsibility. The second being the fact that - and there are numerous people that can attest to this - I have been critical of many (many) aspects of the company over the past six months. For crying out loud.. you're replying to a post that stats "I am an agreement with pretty much the entire reason" that INCLUDES comments of 'We have heard rumors that Spike felt that TNA was not growing, and that was the main reason.' Yeah.. good ole SodaGuy with his 'defending TNA to the bitter end' with his crapting on TNA's booking of Bound for Glory, saying he doesn't blame Austin Aries for wanting to leave before the ship finishes sinking, and agreed with Spike feeling 'that TNA was not growing'. Sorry SG, didnt realize you changed your stance on TNA so much.  I still disagree Spike was the problem. I don't know, maybe if TNA advertised it better on their own show instead of Mike Tenay rushing a sentence about it half way through the show a week before they switched. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 17:21:39 GMT -5
I'm getting a really big kick out of your comment for various reasons. The first being that my comment about the move to Wednesday is 100% truth. Spike shares responsibility for moving the product - again - to a different day without giving the viewers much notice. That wasn't defending TNA because I used the word 'share' meaning that they - Spike and TNA - *share* responsibility. The second being the fact that - and there are numerous people that can attest to this - I have been critical of many (many) aspects of the company over the past six months. For crying out loud.. you're replying to a post that stats "I am an agreement with pretty much the entire reason" that INCLUDES comments of 'We have heard rumors that Spike felt that TNA was not growing, and that was the main reason.' Yeah.. good ole SodaGuy with his 'defending TNA to the bitter end' with his crapting on TNA's booking of Bound for Glory, saying he doesn't blame Austin Aries for wanting to leave before the ship finishes sinking, and agreed with Spike feeling 'that TNA was not growing'. Sorry SG, didnt realize you changed your stance on TNA so much. I still disagree Spike was the problem. I don't know, maybe if TNA advertised it better on their own show instead of Mike Tenay rushing a sentence about it half way through the show a week before they switched. Thank you. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 11, 2014 17:42:13 GMT -5
I'm getting a really big kick out of your comment for various reasons. The first being that my comment about the move to Wednesday is 100% truth. Spike shares responsibility for moving the product - again - to a different day without giving the viewers much notice. That wasn't defending TNA because I used the word 'share' meaning that they - Spike and TNA - *share* responsibility. The second being the fact that - and there are numerous people that can attest to this - I have been critical of many (many) aspects of the company over the past six months. For crying out loud.. you're replying to a post that stats "I am an agreement with pretty much the entire reason" that INCLUDES comments of 'We have heard rumors that Spike felt that TNA was not growing, and that was the main reason.' Yeah.. good ole SodaGuy with his 'defending TNA to the bitter end' with his crapting on TNA's booking of Bound for Glory, saying he doesn't blame Austin Aries for wanting to leave before the ship finishes sinking, and agreed with Spike feeling 'that TNA was not growing'. Sorry SG, didnt realize you changed your stance on TNA so much. I still disagree Spike was the problem. I don't know, maybe if TNA advertised it better on their own show instead of Mike Tenay rushing a sentence about it half way through the show a week before they switched. ..maybe because the move was last minute and that's my entire point? *gasp* The final Thursday episode was taped in *June* and aired on August 14th (the day the move was announced) so you explain to me how TNA can promote the move? They can't. The move should have been announced *SOONER* which puts that on Spike as much as TNA. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 12, 2014 19:10:35 GMT -5
Sorry SG, didnt realize you changed your stance on TNA so much. I still disagree Spike was the problem. I don't know, maybe if TNA advertised it better on their own show instead of Mike Tenay rushing a sentence about it half way through the show a week before they switched. ..maybe because the move was last minute and that's my entire point? *gasp* The final Thursday episode was taped in *June* and aired on August 14th (the day the move was announced) so you explain to me how TNA can promote the move? They can't. The move should have been announced *SOONER* which puts that on Spike as much as TNA. I havent watched TNA in God knows how long but you can always run promotional ads during their show or do a voice over or something. If TNA themselves arent promoting their move, you cant blame Spike for not doing it. Besides, I dont think Spike would *need* to promote TNA on Wednesday. I mean, do people think that Joe Blow is going to be sitting on a Saturday watching Rambo and see and ad for TNA on Wed and decide to watch it randomly? Why would it be any different then 6 months ago when he was watching Rambo and they ran an ad for TNA on Thursday? TNA simply has a niche market when it comes to wrestling fans. They werent going to gain any more viewers by switching nights not matter what Spike did to change it. If TNA put out a better product where people just naturally watched, the rating *should* have went up some (it might have Im not sure) naturally just because it wasnt going head to head with football. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 13, 2014 15:36:58 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that this is happening now, Impact had been fantastic lately. I completely understand their decision, assuming this is true. It's been very clear from day one that Dixie Carter is a rich girl who just wants to hang out with some wrestlers. And just for the record, TNA is #2 on America by default. New Japan it's the second biggest promotion on the planet, and they've done it while being almost completely unknown in this country. And this is coming from a huge TNA fan. I'd argue that TNA isn't even #2 in America now. ROH isn't hemorrhaging money and on their live shows regularly draw 3 to 5 times what TNA do for their live shows. Limited local syndication probably reaches more eyes than TNA with Spike, too. ROH is NOWHERE near the #2 promotion. They draw better because they run in limited markets and do a much better in promotion. But ROH has a syndicated show in a limited market. TNA still is on Spike TV. If TNA has no tv deal, then and only then would ROH move to #2. But ROH has almost NO house hold names and has been seen as nothing more than a feeding ground for WWE/TNA. |
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