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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 28, 2014 22:18:32 GMT -5
I pass this comic book shop on the way to my girlfriends house and it's always bumping on Fridays. People still love them. I dont doubt there are a handful of comic shops/news stands/bookstores every here and there but they arent as prominent as they once were. They have become like a video rental store. There might be a shop here and there but most of them are gone. there are still a lot, well over 2000 in the US, more are opening than closing at this point. www.newsarama.com/19937-comic-book-comeback-why-retailers-saw-2013-sales-growth.html
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 28, 2014 22:20:15 GMT -5
So what? I don't see why that's a big deal at all. People love the characters and they pretty much appeal to all ages. Im not disagreeing. I just said that comics are, sadly, a thing of the past for the most part. not ture. It's a growing market. " The Comic Book Chronicles web site, Comichron.com, estimates that the size of the North American market for comic books and graphic novels has climbed from around $300 million – $330 million in 2002 to roughly $700 million – $730 million a decade later." knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/can-digital-print-peacefully-coexist-world-comic-books/
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 28, 2014 22:49:51 GMT -5
Im not disagreeing. I just said that comics are, sadly, a thing of the past for the most part. not ture. It's a growing market. " The Comic Book Chronicles web site, Comichron.com, estimates that the size of the North American market for comic books and graphic novels has climbed from around $300 million – $330 million in 2002 to roughly $700 million – $730 million a decade later." knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/can-digital-print-peacefully-coexist-world-comic-books/I wonder if those numbers are quoting online digital sales?
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 28, 2014 23:02:47 GMT -5
I wonder if those numbers are quoting online digital sales? I don't think so, anyhow, digital is a deceptively small portion of comic sales.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 28, 2014 23:08:23 GMT -5
I dont doubt there are a handful of comic shops/news stands/bookstores every here and there but they arent as prominent as they once were. They have become like a video rental store. There might be a shop here and there but most of them are gone. there are still a lot, well over 2000 in the US, more are opening than closing at this point. www.newsarama.com/19937-comic-book-comeback-why-retailers-saw-2013-sales-growth.htmlSo I was reading your article/link, when I saw they reference "Graham Crackers comic shops". The article says these shops are in Chicago. The article goes on to say they have 9 locations in Chicago, right away this set off a red flag for me. See I work in Chicago and am quite familiar with the city as my job is driving. Right away I started asking myself, "is there even 9 comic shops/news stands in all of Chicago?" I can only picture a handful that I know for sure exist. So I google searched Graham Crackers comic shops and google only shows me 3 in Chicago. So right there I stopped reading your article because it just lied to me about there being 9 comic shops with the same name in Chicago. Then I googled Comic shops near me in Chicago and google shows me only 10 stores in the entire city. And the thing about those 10 is they are clustered together in certain parts of the city. So yeah, I told you Comics/magazines were a thing of the past. As a kid I remember seeing comics every where but today they are only located in Yuppie/Hipster parts of the city.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 28, 2014 23:21:04 GMT -5
So I was reading your article/link, when I saw they reference "Graham Crackers comic shops". The article says these shops are in Chicago. The article goes on to say they have 9 locations in Chicago, right away this set off a red flag for me. See I work in Chicago and am quite familiar with the city as my job is driving. Right away I started asking myself, "is there even 9 comic shops/news stands in all of Chicago?" I can only picture a handful that I know for sure exist. So I google searched Graham Crackers comic shops and google only shows me 3 in Chicago. So right there I stopped reading your article because it just lied to me about there being 9 comic shops with the same name in Chicago. Then I googled Comic shops near me in Chicago and google shows me only 10 stores in the entire city. And the thing about those 10 is they are clustered together in certain parts of the city. So yeah, I told you Comics/magazines were a thing of the past. As a kid I remember seeing comics every where but today they are only located in Yuppie/Hipster parts of the city. you have an interesting definition of "thing of the past." Just cause you have to go to a store that's a few miles away doesn't mean they are not around. The model has changed. Also, you're being close-minded (your use of Yuppie/hipster) and not going to admit to being wrong on a subject you're obviously not too versed on. You said you googled comic shops in your area and found 10. That's a lot of shops. It's not the 90's (thank god) there's no need for 6 shops in a little suburban city.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Oct 28, 2014 23:50:18 GMT -5
I wonder if those numbers are quoting online digital sales? Digital numbers are small. Why? Because there is no resale value in a digital copy. Hard Copy comics will never go away. Even after all books and magazines go digital, Comics will still be paper issues.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 28, 2014 23:55:52 GMT -5
So I was reading your article/link, when I saw they reference "Graham Crackers comic shops". The article says these shops are in Chicago. The article goes on to say they have 9 locations in Chicago, right away this set off a red flag for me. See I work in Chicago and am quite familiar with the city as my job is driving. Right away I started asking myself, "is there even 9 comic shops/news stands in all of Chicago?" I can only picture a handful that I know for sure exist. So I google searched Graham Crackers comic shops and google only shows me 3 in Chicago. So right there I stopped reading your article because it just lied to me about there being 9 comic shops with the same name in Chicago. Then I googled Comic shops near me in Chicago and google shows me only 10 stores in the entire city. And the thing about those 10 is they are clustered together in certain parts of the city. So yeah, I told you Comics/magazines were a thing of the past. As a kid I remember seeing comics every where but today they are only located in Yuppie/Hipster parts of the city. you have an interesting definition of "thing of the past." Just cause you have to go to a store that's a few miles away doesn't mean they are not around. The model has changed. Also, your being close-minded (your use of Yuppie/hipster) and not going to admit to being wrong on a subject you're obviously not very versed on. You said you googled comic shops in your area and found 10. That's a lot of shops. It's not the 90's (thank god) there's no need for 6 shops in a little suburban city. There is about 3 millions people living in Chicago. There are only 10 shops, according to Google, that's 1 shop for every 300,0000 people. Of those 10 shops they are all located in 3 clusters. How is it close minded to use a term that fits the community? In Chicago it is very easy to tell what kind of Neighbor hood you are in. It isnt me being close minded, it's me describing the neighbor hood. If the Comic shops were clustered in Humboldt park I'd tell you they are in the Puerto Rican hood. If the shops were clustered in Little Village I'd tell you they are in a Mexican Neighborhood, and so on. I just looked on Google again, of the 10 shops in Chicago 5 are located in the Wicker Park neighborhood, that's all Yuppie/Hipster. This cluster would be the closest to my home and that's more than a 10 mile drive. So a 1 square mile sized Neighbor hood has half the cities Comic shops. Didnt you just say It's not the 90's (thank god) there's no need for 6 shops in a little suburban city.
It seems like you your self are against a small area having too many comic shops. So I take it you see my point.
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Post by K5 on Oct 29, 2014 1:21:30 GMT -5
you have an interesting definition of "thing of the past." Just cause you have to go to a store that's a few miles away doesn't mean they are not around. The model has changed. Also, your being close-minded (your use of Yuppie/hipster) and not going to admit to being wrong on a subject you're obviously not very versed on. You said you googled comic shops in your area and found 10. That's a lot of shops. It's not the 90's (thank god) there's no need for 6 shops in a little suburban city. There is about 3 millions people living in Chicago. There are only 10 shops, according to Google, that's 1 shop for every 300,0000 people. Of those 10 shops they are all located in 3 clusters. How is it close minded to use a term that fits the community? In Chicago it is very easy to tell what kind of Neighbor hood you are in. It isnt me being close minded, it's me describing the neighbor hood. If the Comic shops were clustered in Humboldt park I'd tell you they are in the Puerto Rican hood. If the shops were clustered in Little Village I'd tell you they are in a Mexican Neighborhood, and so on. I just looked on Google again, of the 10 shops in Chicago 5 are located in the Wicker Park neighborhood, that's all Yuppie/Hipster. This cluster would be the closest to my home and that's more than a 10 mile drive. So a 1 square mile sized Neighbor hood has half the cities Comic shops. Didnt you just say It's not the 90's (thank god) there's no need for 6 shops in a little suburban city.
It seems like you your self are against a small area having too many comic shops. So I take it you see my point. www.businessinsider.com/the-comic-book-industry-is-on-fire-2014-8 just give it up already.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 29, 2014 10:56:44 GMT -5
There is about 3 millions people living in Chicago. There are only 10 shops, according to Google, that's 1 shop for every 300,0000 people. Of those 10 shops they are all located in 3 clusters. How is it close minded to use a term that fits the community? In Chicago it is very easy to tell what kind of Neighbor hood you are in. It isnt me being close minded, it's me describing the neighbor hood. If the Comic shops were clustered in Humboldt park I'd tell you they are in the Puerto Rican hood. If the shops were clustered in Little Village I'd tell you they are in a Mexican Neighborhood, and so on. I just looked on Google again, of the 10 shops in Chicago 5 are located in the Wicker Park neighborhood, that's all Yuppie/Hipster. This cluster would be the closest to my home and that's more than a 10 mile drive. So a 1 square mile sized Neighbor hood has half the cities Comic shops. Didnt you just say It's not the 90's (thank god) there's no need for 6 shops in a little suburban city.
It seems like you your self are against a small area having too many comic shops. So I take it you see my point. www.businessinsider.com/the-comic-book-industry-is-on-fire-2014-8 just give it up already. I would give up but I like comics and I hate the fact that there are no places with in 10 miles of me that sell comics. Where as when I was a kid I remember being able to walk into any convenience store to find a rack of comics. The websites you guys are linking with sales numbers for comics quote big numbers. But if you look at those numbers you'll see that, while yes they are big, those numbers pale in comparison to movies. 800 million in comic sales is 2 Summer Block Buster's ticket sales. The fact is that yes Xmen, Batman, Avengers started in comics but they have grown into movies which are much more successful than comics. Mention Xmen to a random person. Chances are they will think you are talking about movies more so than comics. I see comics as a Niche product, similar to vinyl music records, dial up internet, manual transmission cars, beepers, newspapers, and the clapper. All great products, all awesome and cutting edge when first introduced, but society has since moved on. Sure there are still people who love the older products but, I think, society wont go back to making those the norm ever again. I hope im wrong. I hope Comics come back in style with the main stream. I hope comics are what cause bookstores to stop shutting down and start opening back up again. Until then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Post by K5 on Oct 29, 2014 11:57:05 GMT -5
I would give up but I like comics and I hate the fact that there are no places with in 10 miles of me that sell comics. Where as when I was a kid I remember being able to walk into any convenience store to find a rack of comics. The websites you guys are linking with sales numbers for comics quote big numbers. But if you look at those numbers you'll see that, while yes they are big, those numbers pale in comparison to movies. 800 million in comic sales is 2 Summer Block Buster's ticket sales. The fact is that yes Xmen, Batman, Avengers started in comics but they have grown into movies which are much more successful than comics. Mention Xmen to a random person. Chances are they will think you are talking about movies more so than comics. I see comics as a Niche product, similar to vinyl music records, dial up internet, manual transmission cars, beepers, newspapers, and the clapper. All great products, all awesome and cutting edge when first introduced, but society has since moved on. Sure there are still people who love the older products but, I think, society wont go back to making those the norm ever again. I hope im wrong. I hope Comics come back in style with the main stream. I hope comics are what cause bookstores to stop shutting down and start opening back up again. Until then we'll just have to agree to disagree. the movie industry has always grossed far more than the comic industry. despite whatever may be your personal situation with comic shops, the industry is undoubtedly booming. you cannot argue that article. there's nothing to argue here, comics are in the mainstream.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 29, 2014 13:37:51 GMT -5
I would give up but I like comics and I hate the fact that there are no places with in 10 miles of me that sell comics. Where as when I was a kid I remember being able to walk into any convenience store to find a rack of comics. The websites you guys are linking with sales numbers for comics quote big numbers. But if you look at those numbers you'll see that, while yes they are big, those numbers pale in comparison to movies. 800 million in comic sales is 2 Summer Block Buster's ticket sales. The fact is that yes Xmen, Batman, Avengers started in comics but they have grown into movies which are much more successful than comics. Mention Xmen to a random person. Chances are they will think you are talking about movies more so than comics. I see comics as a Niche product, similar to vinyl music records, dial up internet, manual transmission cars, beepers, newspapers, and the clapper. All great products, all awesome and cutting edge when first introduced, but society has since moved on. Sure there are still people who love the older products but, I think, society wont go back to making those the norm ever again. I hope im wrong. I hope Comics come back in style with the main stream. I hope comics are what cause bookstores to stop shutting down and start opening back up again. Until then we'll just have to agree to disagree. the movie industry has always grossed far more than the comic industry. despite whatever may be your personal situation with comic shops, the industry is undoubtedly booming. you cannot argue that article. there's nothing to argue here, comics are in the mainstream. It's not me arguing, it's me stating facts. As a kid I could find comics at multiple locations near my house. These days though they are no where near me. Comics might be in a "boom" right now, but that "boom" certainly is not visable from my standpoint. Until I see comics for sale near me I will continue to know they are a dying medium. I don't need to see a comic shop open near me, I just need to see them for sale at a 7-11 or anyplace that sells magazines. I hope you are right though, I hope there is a boom in comics. I hope this "boom" will lead to them being available at retail outlets near me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 14:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 29, 2014 16:11:59 GMT -5
the movie industry has always grossed far more than the comic industry. despite whatever may be your personal situation with comic shops, the industry is undoubtedly booming. you cannot argue that article. there's nothing to argue here, comics are in the mainstream. It's not me arguing, it's me stating facts. As a kid I could find comics at multiple locations near my house. These days though they are no where near me. Comics might be in a "boom" right now, but that "boom" certainly is not visable from my standpoint. Until I see comics for sale near me I will continue to know they are a dying medium. I don't need to see a comic shop open near me, I just need to see them for sale at a 7-11 or anyplace that sells magazines. I hope you are right though, I hope there is a boom in comics. I hope this "boom" will lead to them being available at retail outlets near me. comics are a specialty item that regular stores don't know how to carry, but that doesn't meant that they are dying or a thing of the past. Comparing todays market to that of the market 20-25 years ago isn't a reasonable comparison at this point. Comics are in a healthier more stable place than they were. All those comic stores closed because there were too many and it wasn't sustainable. 4-10 shops in a major city or 1 or 2 shops to service 3-4 suburban cities is fine. The market isn't totally driven my a mad-dog collector mentality like it was. Which lead to mostly bad content; people care about what they read. If comics were a thing of the past you wouldn't have them making movies and shows based on them. Look at Walking Dead, an indie comic from 10 years ago gained enough traction to be turned into a show, one of the most popular ones on TV.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 29, 2014 16:16:02 GMT -5
Three in Chicago. 6 others in the State. There is more than just Chicago in the state of Illinois.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 17:07:13 GMT -5
I feel bad to the OP that this was derailed with the first reply and then continued with so much more wasted time.
I'm checking out the link. It might not be a style I like but I enjoy seeing different things in comics.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Oct 29, 2014 18:08:50 GMT -5
Dude, if there isn't a shop close enough to you get a Kindle, Nook, tablet, smartphone or whatever and start downloading them. I know you said you don't want to do that, but I don't invite what else could possibly be said about this. You've been given more than enough information and you keep denying it because it isn't confirming your argument. Your experience is anecdotal. In other words, just because things are one easy for you doesn't mean they are the same way for everyone.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Oct 30, 2014 12:36:11 GMT -5
I feel bad to the OP that this was derailed with the first reply and then continued with so much more wasted time. I'm checking out the link. It might not be a style I like but I enjoy seeing different things in comics. I just genuinely enjoyed the characters, as artistic creations & well thought out entities. I would love to have figures of them, for sure.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Oct 30, 2014 12:37:53 GMT -5
I had never seen the comic board before. Thank you for the clarification.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 20:24:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the link. Good read.
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