Ohtimate Wahriah
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Nov 29, 2014 2:47:20 GMT -5
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Post by theMOESIAH on Nov 29, 2014 5:00:10 GMT -5
This. While I don't doubt a lot of the things he said, Punk comes off as a self-indulged jerk as well. The guy claims his WWE career was a failure for not main eventing WM, yet he was given the longest WWE Title reign since the Rock n' Roll era, defended the WWE Title at WM, was given a match with Undertaker at WM, and was a 5 time world champ. He was given more freedom over his promos than most others, feuded with the top guys, and was a focal point for years. Most guys don't get a fraction of what he got, and would kill to have any small amount of that success. I see both sides at fault for this volatile relationship and it was eventually going to happen. Though if there is one thing Punk said I find very believable its his feelings towards HHH. Its nothing new but coming from a former top star it seems to validate HHH being one of the biggest sharks of all time. The guy will chew anyone up and spit them out if he fears their popularity and standing backstage. I'll admit that saying your whole WWE career was a failure because you didn't headline WrestleMania was a line I didn't like. The guy had a great career, he just always felt that he should be the best and when he didn't get that, he got upset. He said the goal of his career was to headline WrestleMania. He did not achieve that, so he feels he failed. Right or wrong, it's an honest emotion. EDIT: Why does everyone keep saying that he felt entitled to a WrestleMania main event? He clearly said that felt he earned it. Maybe you guys should listen to the podcast before commenting on it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 5:27:42 GMT -5
They screwed Punk from the word go, and it appears that they screwed him till the bitter end. Also, it's no revelation that Ryback is unsafe - the bloke's rubbish and always will be. I'm not saying he didn't deserve to main event Mania, it just didn't happen because of timing and other factors and he has to accept that. If they were going to change their original plan, just to shoehorn him into the match with Rock and Cena, then it wouldn't have been fair on the other guys on his paygrade. They just as well have made it a 6 pack challenge if they were doing that. If he hadn't left, he'd have main evented Mania eventually. Not even the top guy necessarily gets to main event Wrestlemania, Bret didn't in WM11 or WM13. Cena didn't last year. It's all about timing. Could you stop repeating the same old crap about "timing" and "paygrades"... when it came to main-eventing 'Mania, they screwed Punk over and you, and everybody else with a clue, knows it. Yeah they completely screwed him over, I guess that was someone else who: Defended the title at Wrestlemania Had two matches with The Rock (where he was booked strong) Had a match with Brock Was given a title reign lasting over a year Main evented tons of PPVs Poor guy can't catch a break. |
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Post by rkoorfu on Nov 29, 2014 6:20:52 GMT -5
I mean I'd be pissed to if I saw Miz main event maina but I couldnt. Punk vs jerico was main event level but that was cena vs rock, I think cena vs rock vs punk would have been way better than cena vs rock 2 but guess you had to have cena go over, and I also thought the best wrestlmania 30 main event would have been bryan winning the rumble and going over heel punk then having HHH vs RKO vs batista in an evolution blow up match put that was just a pipe dream.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 29, 2014 6:51:56 GMT -5
So you think if Punk was given a chance against Cena at Mania, he could of drawed as much as Rock vs Cena? Say what you want about the match, but Punk vs Cena simply cant top Rock vs Cena moneywise. I agree with that, however I think there was more money in Cena/Punk/Rock, than yet another Rock/Cena match. I personally, and I know I'm only one example, didn't order WrestleMania 29. I had ZERO interest in watching Cena/Rock II. It was the only WrestleMania that I chose to not order. I also feel that, even if they wanted to do Cena/Rock II, it didn't need the title. Punk's 500 day reign vs. The Streak is the biggest match you could put up from a kayfabe perspective since Streak vs. Career. Title vs. Streak doesn't work because when UT wins (because Punk isn't going to win, nor should he; I don't think Brock should have won either but at least he can run with the monster thing afterwards) he has the title, but he can't wrestle for another year. I find a lot of the stuff some Punk fans (not you personally) say about that RR-WM29 stretch to be delusional, but I think Punk could have been included. Lose the title at RR (WWE wanted Rock to be champion, fans wanted Rock to be champion, it was gonna happen). Forefit his rematch clause in return for going into an EC match for Cena's WM spot, putting real life into the story by saying his last dream is to main event WM. Rock beats someone else at EC (I'd go for Jericho because the feud and nostalgia could be great, but for those asking for his to elevate a young star by facing them there's plenty of options, such as a Shield representative after they attacked him at the RR or Bryan or someone). Punk then pins Cena clean to win the EC, earning a spot at WM. Cena gets put back into the match (like Rey in 2006), and they have the triple threat. Cena FU's Punk, FU's Rock, wins clean. The only problem with this is that it can be argued that Rock only lost 'cos he had 2 opponents, tainting Cena's win over him. It would have to relegate Punk to a 3rd wheel, with him storming off whilst Rock & Cena shake hands at the end, and if that happened then that would just be what Punk complained about instead. But at least he would have been there. I notice he doesn't seem to complain about not main eventing 28 despite being the champion. I definitely think he complained about it, before Jericho sat him down before the event and told him it was the best thing for the match that they didn't main event. Punk clearly respects Jericho and of course Jericho knows better than anyone that going after the biggest match at WM isn't always a good thing. I have no evidence to support this theory, but I'm certain it happened. |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 29, 2014 8:54:37 GMT -5
That sounds to me like some dirt sheet writer is assuming far too much. Not saying it can't be true, but I would take that with a grain of salt. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 9:10:12 GMT -5
how does this affect aj.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 9:14:11 GMT -5
When her contract is up, I would put money on it either not being renewed, or her not renewing it. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Nov 29, 2014 9:18:08 GMT -5
I was just going to ask this. I think they might take their anger for Punk out on her. |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 29, 2014 9:22:12 GMT -5
I don't see it affecting AJ at all. They've given her the title since the whole Punk thing initially happened, so obviously there are no ill will towards her.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Nov 29, 2014 9:25:36 GMT -5
Title vs. Streak doesn't work because when UT wins (because Punk isn't going to win, nor should he; I don't think Brock should have won either but at least he can run with the monster thing afterwards) he has the title, but he can't wrestle for another year. do a Money in the Bank match at Mania. Play up that defending the Streak took everything Taker had out of him. The next night on Raw, Money in the Bank winner comes in and destroys Taker. You get an awesome Mania main event title match, a new "top guy", the title is no more devalued than it'd be any other time, and you've got a Mania angle if you really want one, with Taker wanting revenge against the guy who took his title and willing to defend the streak to do it. The problem is WWE won't plan ahead. Just like Punk said in the podcast, they don't book A-B-C. They book A-A-A-B-A-A. They don't set up pieces to succeed in the future. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 29, 2014 9:26:52 GMT -5
They screwed Punk from the word go, and it appears that they screwed him till the bitter end. Also, it's no revelation that Ryback is unsafe - the bloke's rubbish and always will be. Could you stop repeating the same old crap about "timing" and "paygrades"... when it came to main-eventing 'Mania, they screwed Punk over and you, and everybody else with a clue, knows it. Yeah they completely screwed him over, I guess that was someone else who: Defended the title at Wrestlemania Had two matches with The Rock (where he was booked strong) Had a match with Brock Was given a title reign lasting over a year Main evented tons of PPVs Poor guy can't catch a break. 1. Defending the title successfully at WrestleMania is cool 2. He did not look strong against The Rock 3. While he looked great against Brock, as he states in the podcast, he had now lost to Rock who left, Undertaker who left and Brock who was leaving. His stock continued to plummet in the eyes of a casual viewer which is the only viewer the WWE cares about. Punk is not a guy who will just be "honored" to step into the ring with them, nor should he be. 4. The 434 day title reign was the best in I don't know how long, even though he took a backseat too many times. Not going on last when Rock/Cena is on the card is fine. Not going on last because of Cena/Show, Cena/Kane or CENA/LAURINAITIS is laughable5 5. Yes he did, but he should have main evented plenty more. The moral here is that CM Punk was indeed given a lot. However, in Punk's mind, and a lot of other people, he earned more but wasn't given it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 9:38:46 GMT -5
Yeah they completely screwed him over, I guess that was someone else who: Defended the title at Wrestlemania Had two matches with The Rock (where he was booked strong) Had a match with Brock Was given a title reign lasting over a year Main evented tons of PPVs Poor guy can't catch a break. 1. Defending the title successfully at WrestleMania is cool 2. He did not look strong against The Rock 3. While he looked great against Brock, as he states in the podcast, he had now lost to Rock who left, Undertaker who left and Brock who was leaving. His stock continued to plummet in the eyes of a casual viewer which is the only viewer the WWE cares about. Punk is not a guy who will just be "honored" to step into the ring with them, nor should he be. 4. The 434 day title reign was the best in I don't know how long, even though he took a backseat too many times. Not going on last when Rock/Cena is on the card is fine. Not going on last because of Cena/Show, Cena/Kane or CENA/LAURINAITIS is laughable5 5. Yes he did, but he should have main evented plenty more. The moral here is that CM Punk was indeed given a lot. However, in Punk's mind, and a lot of other people, he earned more but wasn't given it. In their second match, Punk had Rock beaten. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 11:00:29 GMT -5
One thing I learned about CM Punk is that he liked to say the F word. A lot.
F this and F that.
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Post by Orlando Wrestling on Nov 29, 2014 11:51:47 GMT -5
This was a fantastic interview. It was nice hearing Punk's voice and I still miss him but the way he was treated with WWE is so sad to hear. He has never main evented Wrestlemania and had to lose to superstars that are only part timers like the Rock and Lesnar. I was upset at first about him leaving but the way that WWE handled him and his injuries is so sad.I wish Punk the best and I hope that one day the relationship between Punk and the WWE will be much better. But seriously, fired on your wedding day? That is what is going over the edge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 12:27:41 GMT -5
WWE obviously knew about the Wedding Date because AJ had to tell them so she can get off for that day and for the honeymoon
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 12:34:22 GMT -5
And the Punk chants on Monday might explode the arena, I hope they're ready for them. They better have no Cena, Sting, Ziggler winning the main event, Lesnar showing up, Ambrose diving off a ladder through a table, Rusev losing, Bryan showing up again, Orton returning, and Jim Ross doing commentary all at once for people to not chant CM Punk the entire show
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 29, 2014 12:42:15 GMT -5
And the Punk chants on Monday might explode the arena, I hope they're ready for them. They better have no Cena, Sting, Ziggler winning the main event, Lesnar showing up, Ambrose diving off a ladder through a table, Rusev losing, Bryan showing up again, Orton returning, and Jim Ross doing commentary all at once for people to not chant CM Punk the entire show Is Raw in Chicago Monday or something? Even so, the fans won't chant for Punk the entire show. John Cena should be on Raw because, duh. Sting won't be on Raw and neither will Brock Rusev losing would be stupid |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 29, 2014 12:49:11 GMT -5
I think this all boils down to do you view the glass half full or half empty? Punk seems to be a half empty kinda guy more often than not. Especially when it comes to wrestling. Personally I love Punk. And I think Punk should have Main Evented a Mania, but I wouldn't go as far as to say he was ever mistreated. Yes, he may have lost some matches he should have won, but he was also given a victory over all three Shield members. And I think most can agree he shouldn't have won that. Nobody should ever win a 3 on 1. But I didn't hear him complain about how that hurt the Shield's stature to the fans though. Yes he was misdiagnosed, but I highly doubt it was intentional. As I've said, it happens everyday to thousands of people. I do agree that the company relies on Cena too much. And expect too much from him. And he should be given someone to help carry the workload. And IMO Punk was the perfect choice. But unfortunately as we've learned over the past ten years, nothing we say or do is going to change Vince's mind. I also would like for Punk to have defeated Rock but we all know that wasn't gonna happen. Cena was the only one gonna do that. But for all we know, that may have been the Rock's decision? As I've said we only know a portion of the story. Problem is there are those who can sit back and look at this objectively. And then there are those who are using this as just another reason to aimlessly bash the WWE.  |
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Post by threehgame on Nov 29, 2014 12:49:54 GMT -5
And the Punk chants on Monday might explode the arena, I hope they're ready for them. They better have no Cena, Sting, Ziggler winning the main event, Lesnar showing up, Ambrose diving off a ladder through a table, Rusev losing, Bryan showing up again, Orton returning, and Jim Ross doing commentary all at once for people to not chant CM Punk the entire show Even if the WWE cared about this they wouldn't do anything exciting on Raw to try to get people to forget about it. Last weeks Raw proved they want to return to the status quo we have seen the past few summers. Most fans will most likely take what Punk said as proof he should be forgotten and sadly one of the few performers that could have rebounded the WWE to some level of pop-culture relevancy will never again step into a wrestling ring. |
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